posted January 27, 2006 08:47 AM              

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Does anyone ever experience this? Share your Mercury or what influences you think are involved. - You have a forceful way of speaking, but sometimes your intention is NOT to emphasize any particular thing? Do you catch yourself "talking to yourself out loud" sometimes? You're discussing the way you feel about something, and you end up giving the other person a guilt trip.

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posted January 27, 2006 10:02 AM              

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Alllll the time. I feel like I am always misunderstood. Sometimes when I'm talking about serios stuff, I make sure I say upfront that I have no negative intentions.

Sun=Capricorn. Mars= Sag.

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posted January 27, 2006 10:03 AM              

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My mercury is in Capricorn, too.

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posted January 27, 2006 10:05 AM              

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Merc in Aries in the 8th. When I am slightly annoyed or angry I might say something quietly, and in few words, but those words are usually *memorable*

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posted January 27, 2006 10:10 AM            

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There are times when I can come off stronger than intended. I mean no offense, but it has been taken ~ yesterday for example, when I briefly ranted about politics and religion, elsewhere. I hardly ever talk about this stuff, and stand by what I said (why should my opinion be less valid than that of anybody else?), but I could have been less blunt with it.

Oh ~ Mercury in Aries in the Sixth house, conjunct Chiron/Ceres/Sun, widely square Saturn.

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posted January 27, 2006 10:15 AM            

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Yes to everything...Forceful?? yes, but effective.. it can so much be about the delivery..... I do talk to myself out loud especially if i'm holding out while venus is rx...lol or if i have a speech to give next Tuesday... I practice it in the mirror... not good to do this while others are around... crazy would come into play...I can lay a serious guilt trip especially when i feel i have been treated unfairly or accused of something.. whether i did it or not I have been told that it is very hard to "win" an argument with me and have to back off as it is true that you can be too da** right!!!

Virgo Sun and Mercury less than 1' apart. Both in the 7th...
Aries moon in the 3rd.. this, i believe gives me that "forceful" approach... Have to often say.."stop yourself"..lol

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posted January 30, 2006 10:16 AM              

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I'm either being perceived as forceful, naive, mushy, sarcastic, off the wall, etc.

My words get twisted by others more often than not. I'm use to it. I usually have to go back over my intentions or what I was meaning to communicate a lot... sometimes I just let them believe what they want.

Scorpio mercury - 2nd house
Mercury conjunct venus
Mercury conjunct mars
Mercury conjunct uranus

Edited - I wanted to add that I do sometimes have a problem with interrupting. I'm working on that... it takes effort on my part not to do it. I don't mean any disrespect. It happens when I'm talking to someone and they say something interesting or something that I can relate to... I have to add to it before I forget. I guess I'm mentally over excited sometimes.
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posted January 30, 2006 10:29 AM              

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Yep. Forceful Speaker.

Mercury in Aquarius and Mars in Gemini

2nd and 7th houses respectfully.

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posted January 30, 2006 10:41 AM            

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Not so much Forceful as Direct..although my printed words are quite forceful at times...always sarcastic though

Mercury in Aries (11th house)
Mars in Sagittarius (6th House)

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posted January 30, 2006 10:46 AM            

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I wanted to add that I do sometimes have a problem with interrupting. I'm working on that... it takes effort on my part not to do it. I don't mean any disrespect. It happens when I'm talking to someone and they say something interesting or something that I can relate to... I have to add to it before I forget. I guess I'm mentally over excited sometimes.

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Same here.

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posted January 30, 2006 12:44 PM            

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I have far too many empathic influences to accidentally hurt people often, but I definitely tend to state things in absolute fashions with a bit too much force at times. I have Mercury in Leo in the 8th. I think I tend to "pronounce" things like they are royal decrees from time to time. This comes up most frequently when I'm discussing ideas or philosophy.

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posted January 30, 2006 01:08 PM              

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I am not absolutely sure what everyone else percieves but there have certainly been what seemed to be some strong reactions to things I have said in the past. Mercury was conjunct Jupiter (0 degrees) in Leo/9th house when I was born.

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posted January 30, 2006 01:41 PM            

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Yeah, I bet my Scorpio Mercury squaring my Leo Ascendant can make me quite a forceful speaker. But I would think my Libra Moon generally makes me fair.

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posted January 30, 2006 08:38 PM              

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My husband is a litigator. He is not only forceful in his speech but in the way he gesticulates. It's irritating. His voice travels and you can always count on him to be the life of the party, telling dirty jokes, etc.

My opinion is its' the pluto merc conjunction but the orb is rather wide. maybe the mars / jup opposition. jupiter being the expanding planet, in firey aries??

Sun Leo 29°39'37 12 direct
Moon Libra 18°24'18 01 direct
Mercury Virgo 26°56'42 01 direct
Venus Leo 27°52'06 11/12 direct
Venus is technically near the end of house 11 and is interpreted in house 12.
Mars Libra 17°01'09 01 direct
Jupiter Aries 19°09'49 07 retrograde
Saturn Aquarius 18°59'41 05 retrograde
Uranus Virgo 05°16'38 12 direct
Neptune Scorpio 13°06'35 02 direct
Pluto Virgo 11°27'59 12 direct
True Node Cancer 19°40'19 10 retrograde

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posted January 30, 2006 09:11 PM              

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how bout aries on the 3rd...

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posted January 30, 2006 09:25 PM            

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I'm typically only as forceful as I need to be, and generally less forceful while working out what kind of persona I need to deal with a person.

If a person wants to come on strong in a conversation or a disagreement I may ratchet up my normally quiet and reserved nature to meet the challenge, but I'm never ever the one initiating the volume or intensity.

I'm also typically way more concise than most. I try to condense what I have to say to the most quickly understandable sentence possible.

Cap Sun 8th house
Virgo Moon 29
Sag Mercury 7th house
Gemini Saturn 1st house

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posted January 30, 2006 09:48 PM              

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You know what I've noticed thusfar? Those with Scorpio/8th House influences and/or Virgo/6th House influences, say things like "I'm concise", or "I use a few words but get my point across".

With either of those two influences, there is a requirement to get it down right, and as quickly as possible.

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posted January 30, 2006 10:27 PM              

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I am naturally a forceful speaker!! Mercury in Aqua/10th conjunct Midheaven, Mars, Sun, Pallas Athena, and opposite Jupiter in Leo. Can be obnoxious and ruthless at times ...I know when I do this though, and usually use it to stir up debates and conversations, and sometimes to make mean and smallminded people feel this small --> . <---

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posted January 30, 2006 10:35 PM              

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Wow DayDreamer ...

--> . <-- is REALLY small!

(hee hee)

Ga'head wit'cho bad self...

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posted January 30, 2006 10:50 PM            

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I think fire mercuries are pretty forceful, more Leo and Aries, than Sagittarius....

or any fire houses, I do notice Mercury in Aquas are interesting speakers, but not forceful in a obvious way, more forceful in a subtle hyponotic way...very odd...

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posted January 30, 2006 11:13 PM            

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I'd have to say that the only time I'm not forceful is when I'm nervous, in a new situation, or around new people. I'm gonna guess that's just a drawback of Virgo Rising.

After that...good luck. Hahaha, I can be really blunt when I want to be.

I have Mercury in Taurus in the 8th House.

Mercury Opposite Pluto (Scorpio; 2nd House)
Mercury Trine Neptune (Capricorn; 4th House)
Mercury Trine Uranus (Capricorn; 4th House)
Mercury Sextile Venus (Pisces; 6th House)
Mercury Sextile Jupiter (Cancer; 10th House)

In addition to that, I have my Moon in Sagittarius in the Third House...(Scorpio on the Cusp of 3rd). I'd be willing to bet that has something to do with it, too.

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posted January 31, 2006 12:06 AM              

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Mercury in the Second House 2nd hs
Mercury in Scorpio
Mercury Sextile Mars
Mercury Sextile Venus

If i feel it i can be forcefull.

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posted January 31, 2006 04:38 AM              

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Mercury in Pisces (chart ruler)
Sextile Moon in Cap
Conjunct Jupiter

I speak extremely softly with friends and family.

In other situations though, like at uni I can speak "forcefully", if I feel I need to.. but even then it's more so just "strong" to get a message across.. If I'm giving an oral presentation for instance.. Usually I'm acting it out. I have Mars conj Neptune. I'm not forceful but thanks to Neptune I can act it out lol It's quite draining though

With friends and family, I could almost never be forceful. I've only ever had arguments with my mum and my bf in years or longer lol But even so, with my bf I never raise my voice so that still isn't forceful. With my mum I do though.

Basically she's the only person I've ever spoken forcefully to, in years. She speaks forcefully back.. but it blows over very fast. We're still like best friends at the end of the day so it's all goodz

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posted January 31, 2006 09:00 AM              

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mercury in 8th conj mon,mars, sextile venus,trine asc....

When I get angry I can be freaking sarcastic,I start shouting my head off,but to get me to that stage something big and bad should've happened,or something irritatingly stupid,like a person who cant follow normal instructions...

OR sometimes I just dont say anything,my actions and body language speak for themselves....

Apart from that I'm very *VERY* fast,and I like doing accents...

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