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Topic: SWERVE: Pisces and Escapism
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hippichick Knowflake Posts: 588 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 05, 2006 11:07 AM
To Swerve and all of you knowledgable fishes what are your thoughts and feelings on the need for Pisces to escape? Thanks!IP: Logged |
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posted February 05, 2006 12:11 PM
I'd like to know too. Where to you go and do you find your answer there? Or on your way back to the rest of us?------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness IP: Logged |
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posted February 05, 2006 06:06 PM
Phew! Big question.To me life is material experience of a power and consciouness that goes beyond the matter we and the world are created from. It is a physical expression of an energy that is unlike anything in reality, because it is outside of reality. Indeed I wonder if the meaning of life is the universe attempting to know itself. Or the expression of a supreme artist with each one of us being another brush stroke. This is relevant I feel because when I slip out of this reality for those nessecary periods I feel that I blend with something larger, something purer, connected with Truth, that I have neither the words or emotions to express adequately here. You can only experience this personally. Its a time where everything has a reason, every emotion has a foundation, every action a motivation that is understandable and right in itself, whatever the circumstances are and that expression is in this reality. In a sense, nothing is wrong or right, it just is, which may befit a wider definition of "right". Its a place I can offload whatever experiences of either myself or others that I have assimilated. I can let them drift out of me and let them return back to their original home and empty myself of the overhwelming sensations and reactions they produce from within. Almost like a filter for life. Pisceans are still yet to evolve to whatever comes next and we have our limits. It is a nessecary process to relieve the burden of all that psychic residue we pick up or generate ourselves. I don't believe this is restricted to Pisces alone, but I feel we have a clear understanding of what we are doing when this happens and why. It really is a tough question, but a fascinating one. You have me thinking overtime here.... Swerve
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hippichick Knowflake Posts: 588 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 05, 2006 06:22 PM
Swerve,Love, thanks for thinking overtime and a worthy topic to think overtime on!I think mainstream society has labeled "escapism" too objectively. To me it is more of connectiveness, which you have addressed. A time to connect to God, spirit, etc, whatever you call your source. Society labels those of "us and them" who choose to connect in a non-politically correct way. And to hell with them, it works for me (and you.) Love, Hippi IP: Logged |
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posted February 05, 2006 06:29 PM
I actually hope a debate springs out of this because re-reading my post I'm not satisfied I've gotten the essence of this quite right.Big question that deserves real thought. Swerve IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 588 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 05, 2006 06:38 PM
Swerve Yes, I feel you have alot more to say and to all, bring on the debate, this is a debate-worthy subject! Swerve, continue overthinking(my aqua influence loves it) however I must quote Maynard James Keenan (Tool) here, "overthinking, overanalyzing separates the body from the mind..." (love that man!)Hippi! IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2006 06:53 PM
hippi ~ hope you don't mind me butting in.....Swerve ~ the depth of reflection in your profound replies never fails to amaze me and leave me nearly breathless yet your musings always give me food for further thought. You wrote I think mainstream society has labeled "escapism" too objectively. And I think mainstream society has labeled “escapism” too negatively. Does it not damn our Western Civilization because people perceive a need to escape from it?? Hippi ~ After this FischesMoon got past liquid, smokable, chewable or inhalable “escapism”, I found that without any effort at all, I could “escape” into my own head. I also found that my own head contains an infinite Universe, which may or may not be THE Universe that appears to surround our physical vehicles and planet. And hippi, what level of “escape” were you contemplating: a 5-minute daydream at work, or a one-way flight to the mountains of Tibet for the rest of one’s lifetime?? ‘Zala IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 588 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 05, 2006 07:06 PM
PS SWERVE "Indeed I wonder if the meaning of life is the universe attempting to know itself. Or the expression of a supreme artist with each one of us being another brush stroke."Woah... Profound, deep.... That is why I asked you, Swerve, to contribute to this topic!!! IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 588 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 05, 2006 07:19 PM
'ZalaNo buttin' here all is good! All forms of escapism implied. From the minute to the lifetime. Tibet sounds good to me!!! But there is a general thing with particularly Pisces/Neptune infulenced individuals the "need" to do it. All of the people less "afflicted" in my experience do not need it so much or atleast do not admit to it so redily. And, yes, escaping into the "head" is good, but is it not "escapism" as society would have us to believe as well?
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posted February 06, 2006 12:58 PM
It is tough topic as Swerve mentioned, especially I am finding it difficult to recollect my past escapism thoughts. On a boarder level I just assimilated them in 3 categories (based on the various types of thoughts I went through in different periods of my life). - Spiritual/philosophical (Something similar to Swerve’s thoughts). Purpose of life, Creator (god), nature - Goody dreams (these were more of romantic ones), - Third one which may not come under above two –thoughts in which you think of impossible situations/things. Or analyzing an occurred or to be occurred situation over and over from all kinds of angles. (Again this might apply from individual to individual). Many times I might even go through same routine of thoughts again-n-again (never kept a count); though neither the thought process or outcome changes as such (probably this is where escapism doesn’t look good)Currently I am spending more time on analyzing current/past situations, probable outcomes; possible paths/options that can be taken. (I guess current phase for me is more of logical analysis – above characterization is good proof of it lol ). Still while in these thoughts, the thoughts from other 2 categories get interleaved. Regarding so called outer world escapism dreams, many times these are like soothing balm over the hurt feelings one gets. Other times these are waste of time. But again that’s what we like to do. I mean some person might spend his free time in doing things which he likes – reading, sports, hobbies etc. And what we like to spend our free time is relaxing in the world of sweet dreams, being with the nature, slowing down our thought process, giving thought to things which no one else gives or thoughts for which no one has time to spare. Villy
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posted February 06, 2006 03:03 PM
"I think mainstream society has labeled "escapism" too objectively."I can't claim that one. All Hippi's work there. I might be vocal about deeper issues, but I by no means have the contract for profound thinking.... I don't think it is a condemnation of Western civilisation. We are all the product of the world we live in. The US couldn't be the US if the rest of the world didn't permit it on some level. Many things would be left in the dark ages without them. Unfortunately, I think the country has a talent for promoting its dark side. Perhaps something to do with keeping the status quo for those with real power? The rest of the world happily goes along with this so that finger-pointing and the blame game has the easiest of targets. But please don't tell me there wasn't corruption in Rome, Egypt, Greece, the Middle East, the Far East, etc. Its a human condition. The US leads the world today in its ideaology and pop culture, and permeates almost every society on Earth to one degree or another. However, it a creation of the world entire. Input and influence from practically every nation of Earth with a microcosm of each and a survival of the fittest game of cultures. What is right and what is wrong with America is a reflection of humanity as a whole, so I don't consider geography particularly relevant. I think the human species has several stages of realisation and evolution all happening at the same time, and while some lead us forward with invention and ambition, others pull us towards a perpetual spiritual awakening. Escape is also leadership of a kind. Those who partake test the boundaries of human experience, visit the possibilities in an uincertain future, and qualify the life experience of themselves as an individual against the backdrop of an ideal perspective. Withdrawing into a world that is more peaceful and makes more sense. Less pain and more understanding and tolerance. It is not just nessecary for the individual. It is nessecary for our species as a whole. The visionaries leads the warriors forward along the path of evolution. Its always been this way. One day no-one will need to be a warrior..... Swerve
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posted February 06, 2006 07:03 PM
Its not so much escapism more a need for space or is that my Sag sun? Venus
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