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lizkin33
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posted February 12, 2006 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all, If anyone can do my chart. I am lost. I just broke off all the contacts with this Aries guy that i was writing about in my previous post. my mind said to me do it, my heart fells it's wrong. I sill care and love him. H is born MArch 23 1973 time of birth i think is 11 am, I am march 3rd 1974, 6:00-6:30am. I don't know if the place of birth is nessasary.(I am from Uzbekistan, Tashkent, he is From Tadzhikistan, Dyshanbe)
Please anyone if you can suggest something. I was crying three days, my eyes hurt me. I lost one guy to suiside 6 years ago. Thought I will neve love again. Here I am, with broken heart again. I can't figure him out. Does it matter that he was raised by his mom alone, he doesn't remember his dad. Can this affect him in such way that he might be gay or bisexual? (E has lots of gay friends, he is very creative, graphic designer.)Plus he is seriously into cycling
Although I was with him a while ago, and I have seen his "little friend"was all excited, etc. OR he might be attracted to older women because of that? (He had an older oriental girlfriend years ago)
"I am lost and confused"! that what he said to me a while ago. I actually was so fed up with all his b-ll sh-t, so this week i e-mailed him and said everything I think of him, and I have no will to be his puppy no more, because he takes me for granted. I said don't talk to me anymore don't call. He didn't
Sorry for such a long post. Thanks for your time. SIncerely,
IN LOVE soul

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posted February 13, 2006 02:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lizkin,

You have a kite focused on Sagittarius (expansion) modifying North node (future goals) focused in the 11th house (friends, also rebellion). This indicates that, eventually, you will have a need for freedom and "space" in any relationship you get into: close but not TOO close. It also suggests it might be easier to begin relationships as "friends" and then see where they go. If they don't work out...you still have plenty of OTHER friends to hang around with!

In addition, you have transiting (planets in the sky) Saturn (duty, also restriction) conjunct (energy is combined with) Descendant (others) so right now might be VERY stressful in situations that involve other people. This stress will wear off in intensity, as this transit passes until this transit is complete, around the middle of this year.

Friendlily,

Tim

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lizkin33
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posted February 13, 2006 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks a lot
Well, I stoped communicating with my Aries/Pisces Cusp guy last week. My heart sais don't loose him but my mind said do it. Do you think I should talk to him in person , because I have send him an e-mail writing how I fell about his behavior towards me and that I can't take his B-ll sh-t anymore. I didn't have a closure, we have not discussed it over the phone. I just burned all the bridges again online , second time around with the same person.

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lizkin33
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posted February 13, 2006 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey Tim, you wrote : It also suggests it might be easier to begin relationships as "friends" and then see where they go. If they don't work out...you still have plenty of OTHER friends to hang around with!

YEa that's what he said to me, lets be friends first and I've tried, God know I did, but what to do if I started developing fellings for him? I have told him that and I think he freaked out. Kept a distance from me, even though he felt a deeper conection, because I know he is my soulmate. Can Soulmates be alike?
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posted February 13, 2006 11:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lizkin,

You have Uranus (friends, also impulse) square (energy needs to be combined with) Aquarius (friends, also impulse) modifying Venus (relationships) conjunct Ascendant (self). This indicates both that you would be a GREAT friend in a relationship...but also indicates that you tend to impulsively rush into relationships. Also, Venus is focused in the 12th house (Venus in house of its exaltation, very strong energy), indicating you have a "relationship" with everyone and everything: you interconnect on a very deep, personal level to all things...but you STILL want to be "friends" to those around you. This creates a conflict: how to merge with all and still retain your individuality?

My suggestion was that you stay friends with those around you...and allow yourself to develop that deep connection with everything. As I mentioned, since this is a "Saturn time" in relationships, relationships may be particularly stressful right now, and you may be evaluating relationships from a point of stress rather than from a point of understanding. If he "freaked out" when you mentioned love...then obviously he was not ready for love! So...his loss and your gain of an understanding of the type of person who he is.

Finally, I have always had some issues with the whole "soulmate" idea. I look at life from the Buddhist perspective: we are here because we are imperfect and have not yet perfected ourselves. There are people in our past who we have allowed to hold us back in life and it is our continued pursuit of those people who continue to hold us back in this life. Instead of looking for the people who have kept us stuck in our life progress (i.e., "soulmates") we need to reach out to those who we do NOT know yet (i.e., non-"soulmates") so we can create a new spiritual connection which will advance ourselves to the next level of consciousness.

Spiritually relating on a non-soulmate level,

Tim

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villy
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posted February 13, 2006 12:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liz,
I am sorry and feel for your current situation, when you have gone through and overcome past sorrow.

Not sure on his sexuality being related to his rearing up by single parent. It could have psychological impact, however not sure if it should cause him to be gay. He could have other reasons like; his low confidence of settling down in a family when his past didn’t have both the parents.
Sometimes people have outer shells to protect their own self/life, their own inner thoughts/ideals; which can be perceived differently by other individuals. They may not want to break their shells and let others come in their life (sorrowful/inert). Maybe due to fear of being vulnerable or loosing their own ideals. Unless you get definite signs or true confirmation from him, it might be difficult to judge his sexuality.
Again you mentioned of some old girlfriend and you have no idea of his past or him in depth. That’s where you don’t have the complete whole picture to understand him and his behavior. It could be past love causing him hurt and confusion. Even if he might be attracted to you/have some feelings; his own heart might have not have been healed fully (if at all it was hurt through some past incidents). He might be pulled in and pulled out, by both his heart and mind, in current relationship. If one thinks of such an inner state, yes he is definitely confused & lost. And if his ideals are trying to make him go away from the relationship, he may not even call you. Then better leave him to god’s love and blessings.

I too am currently having attractions to a colleague (however it has not turned out to be serious like your case). I don’t want to have any relation (reasons – my own thoughts along with ethics and stuff); at the same time I can’t deny my attractions to her (pull of heart). There is some feeling of chemistry in me (though nothing is going on/being said), which my logical mind keeps trying to overcome.
Good thing in your current situation is, at least one of you has opened and both know what you are expecting. In my case, it is unsaid expectations. I am surely lost. I can’t say anything for her as we still talk as friends/colleague. So she may or may not be having feelings. And even if she did have something for me, she also would not want have such a relation. Still it might be a fight for both of us (atleast me as not sure of her).

However it doesn’t mean that you have to bear it all and get hurt. If you think he has shown love, caring attitude to you some time earlier; you may want to give him time (this doesn’t mean a favorable result after waiting). Else it really makes sense of whatever you have done, as it could result in greater hurt later on.

You have already shed your tears for love and it surely would bless you. Hope the Valentine’s Day brings lots of love and peace to both of you and you come out of the current situation unscathed.

V

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villy
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posted February 13, 2006 02:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim,
Wise statement – “There are people in our past who we have allowed to hold us back in life and it is our continued pursuit of those people who continue to hold us back in this life. Instead of looking for the people who have kept us stuck in our life progress (i.e., "soulmates") we need to reach out to those who we do NOT know yet (i.e., non-"soulmates") so we can create a new spiritual connection which will advance ourselves to the next level of consciousness.”

Liz,
Just to add, sometimes I feel my current difficult situation is just God’s/nature’s medicine to heal my own wounds (Though I want to resist it stubbornly )

V

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lizkin33
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posted February 13, 2006 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks all for your input. I fell much better right now. Do you think I should call him or e-mail, so that he'll know that I don't want to burn bridges?

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posted February 13, 2006 03:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes...if it is what what is the best decision for you.

I hated the silence more than anything, and the image it produced inside me of someone I genuinely loved was ghastly.

As said on another thread, this Valentines Day seems to have some magic about it.

Go with your heart.

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lizkin33
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posted February 14, 2006 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i did it, i e-mailed him saying that I don't want to burn bridges. no responce so far

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villy
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posted February 14, 2006 12:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Liz,
Good to know you are far better than earlier.

You have done what was destined to be done. Now pray and wait; accepting whatever the outcome is. As you said you are adding up years and need to settle down; so its better that both your heart and mind decide what is required to be done.
How about sending a Valentine’s card/gift? If still you see no movement, give a damn and move on (might be hard for us Pisces). Don’t just let yourself trampled and treated so badly just because you love him.

Not sure how close are you to his family; just in case, get some insight from his mom/friends where he is trying to lead his life to.

Villy

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lizkin33
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posted February 14, 2006 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey, thanks for your input. I had send him a Valentine card just right now. see what happends.
About his family and friends I am not that close. Even if I was, he is keeping his personal life a big secret. No one knows what is going on! HE actually introdused me a while ago to his nefew and his wife, they are pretty close to him, But I don't have contact with them. Anyway I know if this a destiny and if it's meant to be it will be!
AMEN!

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villy
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posted February 15, 2006 03:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liz,
Not sure why I get a feeling that he might fall more on Pisces side. Though based on the time you provided his Sun is into Aries sign.
His Venus and Merc are in Pisces and Moon in Scorpio, Mars in Cap

Some interpretations
VENUS IN THE ELEVENTH HOUSE

With Venus in the Eleventh House the areas of life where you are most likely to express your social, romantic and artistic qualities are through forming harmonious, warm social friendships - probably related to group activities within a club, society or fraternity. You may meet your marriage partner through such group activities, consequently your interests will be shared.

MERC Retrograde - Mercury retrograde happens three times a year for about three weeks each. When retrograde, messages are more likely misunderstood, so it's best to avoid new contracts or journeys to unfamiliar places; mail is usually delayed or misdirected; but indeed return to see clients and friendships cut off because of a misunderstanding. Revise that forgotten manuscript; return unused merchandise, and be especially careful choosing clothing and shoe sizes. Verify that orders and letters arrive and are understood correctly. Those born with Mercury retrograde may be shy or slow to learn in their early life, but make up for it in later life. Like the child who stuttered in early life becoming an articulate TV newscaster later in life.

Can't get much insight on his behavior, from astro standpoint, as I am not a pro out here. Hope others help out.

V

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posted February 15, 2006 05:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lizkin33

**Please anyone if you can suggest something.**
yeah .. let him go .. give it miss ...
( not looked at charts With birth time .. will make scant difference to the following .. .. nor have i read all the replies ..)

for yourself .. untill after feb 2007 .. partnership ideas may well be out the window .. or at least not a priority .. your individual freedom will be a priority (transiting Uranus conjunct natal SUN ) ..
also .. transiting Pluto is opposing your natal Saturn placement .. that will 'move on' after november 2007 ..
(actualy your Sun seems to be at a 'square to his natal Saturn .. .. he has a *Tsquare* in his chart * Saturn opposite Lillith .. both square to his natal Mercury * ) ..

for the guy .. he is in the grips of a Pluto transit (1) which is applying by square aspect to his natal Venus after which he gets (2) transiting Pluto square to his natal SUN .. those two big ones end in 2010 .. ... if you want a smooth ride in the love department from now till 2010 .. probably best to say goodbye to him now ..
transiting Uranus (untill after feb 2007 ) not only is applying to your sun placement .. but also applying to his Merc placement AND squaring his natal Saturn and Lillith ..

**Thought I will neve love again.** .. LizKin !! .. don't Ever give up on that hope ..
transiting Pluto opposing your natal Saturn may tend to give you thoughts like that ... now and again .. it is a transit that will pass .. not an easy one on the emotional level ..

.. looks as if tJupiter be moving along re your chart .. you could soon be feeling more bouyant in spirit ..

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lizkin33
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posted February 15, 2006 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
about this Merc retrograde,is it happening now? or ?

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lizkin33
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posted February 15, 2006 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Happy Dragon not sure what all this means, what you wrote, id there a interpritation?
thanks for you nice words

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posted February 15, 2006 09:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
**... not sure what all this means, what you wrote,**
may not be able to give you the 'details' but shall get back here with at least some data that you could follow up .. .. in essence those 'transits' can realy shake a person up inside .. so If your going with a partner who has some heavy emotional issues to deal with ( e.g. .. someone who is being subject to major planetary transits ) .. you .. will be going thru the same 'transits' with that person .. .. 'cause if the 'other' person is being 'thrown about' by planetary influences .. that will have an effect on the relationship .. and it is in relationships that a lot of the chart placements and related internal issues get 'played out' ..
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well for now .. (i've got this thread bookmarked .. shall return ) .. here's a short txt about 'transits' ..

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short explanation : ..
the planets .. as they move arround the zodiac circle, make 'aspects' to the planetary positions set at the time of birth (i.e. the birth chart ) .. .. .. 'aspects' .. are the geometric angles separating the planets around the zodiac .. so transiting aspects are just like the ones found within the chart ( conjunctions, squares, oppositions, trines, sextiles .. etc ) and as the transiting planet moves .. so does the angle change to any given natal planet or placement .. or in other words the transit aspect 'builds up' .. then 'eases off' .. over time ..
transits of mars , mercury, venus are relatively short .. a few days .. extended if the planet in question goes retrograde .. those are sometimes known as the 'Personal' planets .. or 'Inner planets'
the transits of the 'outer' planets be somewhat different .. Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus and Pluto move relatively slow .. Jupiter has a 12 yr cycle (cycle .. as in once around the zodiac circle ) .. Saturn 28 .yrs .. Uranus 84.yrs .. Neptune 165. yrs .. and lilltle ol' Pluto .. 248.yrs .. .. .. .. it be the Outer planets .. in particular when they aspect a Personal placement/planet .. that seem to give folk the hardest or best of times ( in terms of astrological transits and ppl reactions to same )
**************************************************************************
***Astro Help***

this is a good intro to astrology and relationships .. (the book is available in a few languages i beleive)
* http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/A.F.L.G.html *

good for 'aspect' information .. maybe *transits* as well ..
* http://www.cafeastrology.com

* http://astro.com *
* http://www.aquarianage.org *
* http://astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology *
* http://www.horoscope-x-files.com *
* http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com *
* http://www.astrology-numerology.com/astrology.html *
* http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_transits_e.htm *
* http://www.san.beck.org/Astro.html#1

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lizkin33
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posted February 16, 2006 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks

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posted February 17, 2006 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how long is the Mercury will be in retrograde?

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posted February 17, 2006 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
e-mailed him a Valentine card, no responce, i even called him saying: " lets talk, i said that I don't want to talk to you because I didn;t think."! I said I am sorry. NO responce!
His birthday is coming up March 23. Well mine is first March 3rd. I know he'll forget about my birthday. I am not calling him and wishing a happy birthday!
That's it! I am done with him
I am moving ON

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posted February 18, 2006 01:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liz,
You have tried everything and he doesn’t value you, so that’s it. Enough is enough.
Do not worry. Hope you come out of this stronger. Your destined love (whoever he is) would come to you by itself. Life is beautiful in its own sense. Your birthday is just on the corner, so take a break and forget about the recent outer circumstances.

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lizkin33
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posted February 19, 2006 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you are right , thanks

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Alisa
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Hi
Actually, I got situation similar to yours. You can see my post at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008319.html
I know that he is my soulmate. We understand each other in deep level. However, last thrusday, he chose to dump me by email on the 3rd anniversaries of our first day we met.
I think that email won't work since he would say something without caring tone and you would not have any chance to say anything. So, I think you should stop sending him email.
My birthday is approaching on March 5 too. I do not know whether he will send me an email or call me or not. Today, I do not mind anymore. I already moved on since that day. I think that if he really cares me like what he said before, he should not just dump me by email while I did not do anything wrong at all. I do not think that loving a person too much is my mistake. Frankly speaking, I am so happy today. I have been cried almost everyday for 22 months! I had him in every minutes of my thought. I stopped crying now. I tried my best doing everything to make this guy happy. I helped him in career and so on. Lately, the more I tried, the more rejection I got from him. He said that I did for him too much. I do not understand why.
I know that if you stop calling him or contacting him for a while, he would come back to you. Most people are like that. He would see that you are valuable to him when you're gone. Anyway, I will not wait for his call anymore. I would move on. I feel that I got my life back. I would put all of my energy to do other stuff from now on. Thanks him for dumping me!

Good luck to youtoo

Alisa

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lizkin33
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posted February 20, 2006 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lizkin33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Alisa
You know, we broke up last year and we haven't speak for like 5 months. I have stoped all the calling and e-mailing! And then after 5 months, guess what? He called me out of the blue and says: I just called to say HI "! so, I was so happy that he probably wanted to work things out since maybe he took some time to think about all this. But this year it's kind of repeats all over again. Same story, this time I dumbed him. So, i don't know if people come back for the second time though, although I wish we can work this out. Anyway, I am glad that you were abble to move on and take care your own needs. Stay strong. Happy coming Birthday !!!!!! All Pisces unite!!!!!!!!

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posted February 20, 2006 07:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, we also broke up before in Dec 2005. That time, I said that pls do not call me. So, we did not contact each other for 6 months. Then he came back to me. And the things were not good as before. We have tried for 6 months. This time, he dumped me instead. I am pretty sure that he would come back again. I am not sure what my feeling will be at that time. I do not want to think in advance anymore. Anyway, I wish that he would come back to you too.

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