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Topic: Tim.... On Soulmates and Nodes
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MysticMelody Moderator Posts: 1066 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 19, 2006 11:14 AM
You just cleared something up for me and now I'm wishing for more information. You said that "soulmates," by their definition, can hold us back etc. I had always wondered why I would feel so attracted to certain people (even just as friends) and then eventually discover that these people did more harm than good to me in life. It has gotten to the point where I wondered if I was cursed by these people or if they had drawn me to them using some malignant spell! I know that's a little overboard, but it just seemed so strange to be so DRAWN to them when they are obviously not healthy for me. I think your comment about "soulmates" put things in proper perspective for me. The only idea I had come up with so far was related to my Nodes, so now I am wondering if that has anything to do with the "soulmate" thing. Is your original "soulmate" group connected to your South Node, since that is what you naturally gravitate toward, but will not advance you.... and the North Node, since it the direction of your true soul growth(?) is the direction of escape from those things...? Where did you learn the info on Soulmates, Tim? Will you direct me to more information? And what do you think about the Node theory? Would you expand on that for me and fill in some blanks? ------------------ "Did you ever get the chance to dance along the light of day?" IP: Logged |
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posted February 19, 2006 11:35 AM
Mystic, quote: Is your original "soulmate" group connected to your South Node, since that is what you naturally gravitate toward, but will not advance you.... and the North Node, since it the direction of your true soul growth(?) is the direction of escape from those things...?Where did you learn the info on Soulmates, Tim? Will you direct me to more information? And what do you think about the Node theory? Would you expand on that for me and fill in some blanks?
First of all, the best Node book I know of that gets into these issues is Jan Spiller's "Astrology for the Soul." It covers all the issues you talk about in depth and gives a very helpful read for nodes in each of the signs/houses. Another good node book is Kevin Burk's "The Complete Node Book", which is shorter than Jan's but has more details about the combination of sign and house with nodes than Jan's book. The idea of node theory is simple, and very powerful. There are certain things we do easily and well in this life (indicated by South node sign and house). However, focusing on what we do well does not help us grow and develop in our life. We need, instead, to do the OPPOSITE. We need to work at something very different from what we do well, so we can "see the other side" of our issues and our point of view. This "other side" is the North node. Finding out the sign and house position of our North node instantly tells us what we need to work on in this life. People can also either "hold us back" or "motivate us forward". The people who "hold us back" the most are people whose energy conjuncts (energy is combined with) South node. The people who "motivate us forward" are people whose energy conjuncts our North node. In synastries (relationship charts) between two people, I always look for Nodal contacts. If one person's South node conjuncts another person's planets or points, that can be a warning sign for the South node person. Nodally, Tim IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Newflake Posts: 8 From: ON Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 19, 2006 12:24 PM
*claps*Good question, good answer!!!! What if your north node is conjunct someone's vertex? Vertex acts as a stimulation, a need for change, and north node is essentially the things you are growing towards...... Intriguing concept. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 19, 2006 02:48 PM
MM ~Where is your NN?? I can copy in Jan Spiller's interp for ya..... 'Z IP: Logged |
zoso Newflake Posts: 15 From: Reno, Nv Registered: Nov 2009
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posted February 19, 2006 02:58 PM
Here's where I'm confused:What if there are contacts between the North and South nodes? For instance, if my North Node is conjunct someone's descendant, and his North node conjuncts my decendant, then both our ascendants are conjunct with each other's South node. Is this a relationship to steer clear of or one that will help us? IP: Logged |
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posted February 19, 2006 03:18 PM
I have that with someone too Pixie -(along with a dark corner, and a construction crew I haven't given up on) It's a VERY strong draw because you somehow encourage each other to be a stronger, better person. Don't know if it necessarily makes the RELATIONSHIP stronger and better, but it makes the person quite unforgettable, wouldn't you say? I have a dumb question, cuz I'm so used to astro.com. Is there a way for the South Node to pop up for us easily?
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posted February 20, 2006 02:20 AM
Astro,You asked: quote: Is there a way for the South Node to pop up for us easily?
The South node is always directly opposite the North node, so you could draw it in on an Astrodienst chart, if you want, or you could just keep it in mind. Another few things to keep in mind about the North node: - squares to the North node also square the South node - trines to the North node sextile the South node - sextiles to the North node trine the South node - oppositions to the North node conjunct the South node A planet square to the North node creates a T-square between the nodes focused on the planet. A planet trine or sextile the North node creates an Easy Opposition focused on the planet. Nodally, Tim IP: Logged |
Arnicka unregistered
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posted February 20, 2006 02:20 AM
Tim ~ Would you place any emphasis on one's Sun or Moon in square position to another's nodal axis?IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 02:40 AM
zoso,You asked: quote: What if there are contacts between the North and South nodes?...my North Node is conjunct someone's descendant, and his North node conjuncts my decendant, then both our ascendants are conjunct with each other's South node. Is this a relationship to steer clear of or one that will help us?
In my opinion, this contact does not pull strongly either forward in life or the other way. Since BOTH Nodes are emphasized, there is no "tug" one way or the other. Nodally, Tim IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 02:45 AM
Arnicka,Since the synastry (relationship) chart is a non-moving chart (the planets are fixed in place and do not move...unlike the transit and progresed charts), I use aspect patterns in synastries. Since nodes are always in opposition, I consider any planet(s) squaring the nodes as creating a T-square between the nodes, with the focus of the nodes on the "squaring planet". This "squaring" planet(s) can act as a "bridge" between the nodes, helping the person get from where they are now to where they need to be. If one person's Sun or Moon square the nodal axis (opposition of nodes) of another person, that Sun or Moon can act as a "bridge" between the nodes for the other person. Nodally, Tim IP: Logged |
Lauren unregistered
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posted February 20, 2006 03:34 AM
Tim, how 'bout when someone's Moon is trine the other person's North Node and sextile their South Node. Would that also act like a bridge? It's very close - 0 deg. IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 05:03 AM
Hi all I'm new here & just read your posts on Nodes in synastry. I've been trying to understand more about a very difficult relationship paricularly aware now that his Saturn conj my Sth Node. His vertex conj my chiron, my chiron trine his venus etc. Has anyone else got experience of a Saturn/Node relationship? Its gone on for years! Saturn? And the pull is VERY strong like we cant shake off (let go?)the other, but its very frustrating(it never got sexual, yet all the vibes were there to begin with)now its still pulls but I feel I just have to get away because its going nowhere and just a reliable source of heartbreak! Help appreciated XIP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 10:17 AM
Lauren,Exactly! The "Moon person"'s energy would act as a bridge to help the "non-Moon person" accomplish their future goals in life. Bridging, Tim IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 10:27 AM
The bridge theory is exquisite! It is fuelling my head with too many ideas especially when I relate with Asteroids!!!
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posted February 20, 2006 10:30 AM
Kakabel,You said: quote: ...a very difficult relationship...his Saturn conj my Sth Node...Its gone on for years! Saturn? And the pull is VERY strong like we cant shake off (let go?)the other, but its very frustrating
With his Saturn (duty, also restriction) conjunct (energy is combined with) your South node (the past), he, whether he wants to or not, will tend to hold you back and "restrict" you somehow to your "past" activities. In these situations, it may be best to make a "clean break", explain to the other person that they are holding you back in your life, and move on to other people. Suggesting a "clean break", Tim IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Newflake Posts: 8 From: ON Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 20, 2006 12:01 PM
Hi Tim, you skipped me. Sulkily, pixelpixie IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 03:50 PM
pixel,You asked: quote: What if your north node is conjunct someone's vertex?...Hi Tim, you skipped me.
I apologize for not answering your question. While the other people's questions on the grouplist were clearly directed to me in particular, I thought your question was a general question for those who use the Vertex in interpretation, which I do not. So...I don't know about what the Vertex would mean in an interpretation. All I can do is repeat that any planet or point conjunct the North node indicates someone who can "move you forward" toward your future life goals. So I guess this person will be able to "vertexify" you forward in some way! Vertexificationally, Tim IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 04:37 PM
..... yeah yeah yeah ... I know NN is Opp SN - just hoped I could make astro.com make a little "thingy" to show up instead of me doing it.But everything you said about NN/SN registered. ------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Newflake Posts: 8 From: ON Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 20, 2006 05:01 PM
Hehehehe.... Tim, YOU vertexify me!!!I did compliment your answer... I am just bad at direction IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 05:09 PM
You know what I think, sometimes people come our way, that are so incredibly contradictory to who we are, etc... and you learn from it, and they learn from you.... IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2006 11:05 PM
Thank you, TimIP: Logged |
Kay Libra unregistered
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posted February 21, 2006 09:14 AM
Tim -- I found this on a website would this be accurate? "The conjunctions to the North Node indicate that the person has a key role to play in the fulfillment of our destiny this lifetime. The planet involved and the sign and house of the conjunction provide clues as to what type of role that is. What does it mean when someone Sun In Libra conjuncts your North Node in Libra? How do I found out which house it falls in? My NN is in the 7th house. Does that mean I need to have some type of relationship/partnership with the person? And does the conjunction fall in the 7th house?
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posted February 21, 2006 09:32 AM
I think my last post is missing. But I had a question for Tim. Tim: The conjunctions to the North Node indicate that the person has a key role to play in the fulfillment of our destiny this lifetime. The planet involved and the sign and house of the conjunction provide clues as to what type of role that is. So how would someone's Sun in Lib conjunct your NN in Lib play out? Does that mean your supposed to have some sort of relationship/partnership with this person? My NN in Lib is in the 7th house? Does that mean the conjunction falls in this house? Or how do I find out what house it falls in?
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posted February 21, 2006 11:44 AM
Wow great thread!IP: Logged |
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posted February 21, 2006 11:49 AM
Kay,You said: quote: I found this on a website would this be accurate? "The conjunctions to the North Node indicate that the person has a key role to play in the fulfillment of our destiny this lifetime. The planet involved and the sign and house of the conjunction provide clues as to what type of role that is.["]What does it mean when someone Sun In Libra conjuncts your North Node in Libra? How do I found out which house it falls in? My NN is in the 7th house.
In my opinion, I think this is a GREAT way to say it! With someone's Libra (relationships) modifying their Sun (self-expression, also dating) modifying your North node (future goals) focused in your 7th house (relationships), this person's self-expression of their relationahips can help with your development of relationships. This could include dating or having a relationship with this person, but it doesn't have to. After all, just because someone helps you understand relationships better doesn't mean you have to marry them! Relating nodally, Tim IP: Logged |