posted February 22, 2006 12:34 AM              

This is kinda involved, but I'm including my SO's natal info and would be interested in any feedback.
Also, and most important, I'm interested in others' interpretations of mine & my SO's combined chart. I.E. our relationship potential. Positives and negatives, warts, roses and all.
When you see the date our romance began, you'll see we've been together for sometime. As I'm new to astrology, I want to try to apply it to what I can.
Below is the date and time (really, we know it 'cause my roommate came into the kitchen and interrupted the BIG TALK ; ) that we decided to take it to the next level from friendship. I have no idea if the date and time are important, but thought I'd include it.
Thanks to anybody who would like to help me further understand astrology by taking this kind of chart and suggesting what I look at, and so on.
Looking forward to any info,
Thanks,
Zelda

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We decided to become "more than friends" at approximately this time.
28 March 1997 at
12:30 AM
42n23, 71wo6

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My info:
local time 03:27 pm
U.T. 19:27
67w17, 45n11 sid. time 01:26:51

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Pisces 08°49'46 08 direct
Moon Taurus 14°27'05 10 direct
Mercury Pisces 02°41'38 08 retrograde
Venus Capricorn 29°36'24 06 direct
Mars Gemini 00°12'48 10/11 direct
Mars is technically near the end of

house 10 and is interpreted in house

11.
Jupiter Aquarius 27°57'17 08 direct
Saturn Gemini 27°47'00 11 stationary

(D)
Uranus Libra 27°27'39 04 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 09°34'33 05 direct
Pluto Libra 06°10'37 03 retrograde
True Node Sagittarius 25°18'38 05

retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 08°31'48
2nd House Leo 27°54'47
3rd House Virgo 22°07'11
Imum Coeli Libra 23°27'43
5th House Sagittarius 01°10'11
6th House Capricorn 08°02'05
Descendant Aquarius 08°31'48
8th House Aquarius 27°54'47
9th House Pisces 22°07'11
Medium Coeli Aries 23°27'43
11th House Gemini 01°10'11
12th House Cancer 08°02'05

Major aspects
Sun Sextile Moon 5°37
Sun Conjunction Mercury 6°08
Sun Square Neptune 0°45
Sun Quincunx Pluto 2°39
Sun Quincunx Ascendant 0°18
Moon Square Ascendant 5°55
Mercury Square Mars 2°29
Mercury Conjunction Jupiter 4°44
Mercury Trine Saturn 4°55
Mercury Trine Uranus 5°14
Venus Trine Mars 0°36
Venus Quincunx Saturn 1°49
Venus Square Uranus 2°09
Mars Square Jupiter 2°16
Mars Quincunx Uranus 2°45
Mars Trine Pluto 5°58
Jupiter Trine Saturn 0°10
Jupiter Trine Uranus 0°30
Saturn Trine Uranus 0°19
Neptune Sextile Pluto 3°24
Neptune Trine Ascendant 1°03
Pluto Sextile Ascendant 2°21

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Boyfriend/S-O:
local time 02:30 am
U.T. 07:30
72w58, 43n37 sid. time 13:20:47

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Pisces 12°18'27 02 direct
Moon Capricorn 11°04'44 01 direct
Mercury Aquarius 25°51'14 02 direct
Venus Pisces 21°22'54 03 direct
Mars Aries 27°18'34 04 direct
Jupiter Scorpio 05°45'59 10 retrograde
Saturn Taurus 05°01'19 04 direct
Uranus Libra 07°46'28 09 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 00°53'28 11

stationary (R)
Pluto Virgo 26°25'53 09 retrograde
True Node Pisces 11°49'48 02 direct

posted February 22, 2006 10:34 AM              

Thanks again,
Zelda

posted February 22, 2006 12:14 PM              

I would be glad to give my thoughts but I need both of your birth information in the format:
Month Day, Year
XX:XX AM or PM
City Province/County Country/State

Trying to help,

Tim

posted February 22, 2006 10:10 PM              

I'd like to respond as well. I'm gonna take a better look.

posted February 22, 2006 11:43 PM              

Me:
02.27.74
03:30 PM
calais, maine, usa

SO:
03.03.70
02:00 AM
rutland, vermont, usa

astro junkie:
Thank you as well : ).

I look forward to learning about how to do this kind of interpretation!

posted February 22, 2006 11:47 PM              

Me:

02.27.74
03:27 pm
calais, maine, usa

SO:

03.03.70
02:30 am
rutland, vermont, usa

posted February 23, 2006 02:26 AM              

In doing relationship comparisons, the first step is to understand how each person approaches relationships. This can be seen by looking for Libra, Venus, and the 7th house (all are about relationships) in each chart. In your chart, you have Libra modifying Uranus (friends, also impulse) and Libra modifying Pluto (transformation, also power), indicating you may be impulsive in relationships and may tend to get power from or be overpowered by relationships.

You have Venus focused in the 6th house (daily work - Venus in house of its fall - very challenging energy), indicating that relationships may be very challenging for you in some way. You have no focuses in the 7th house so you do not get into relationships simply to be in relationships.

Your SO has Libra modifying Pluto, same as you. He has Pluto (transformation, also power, control) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Venus, indicating he may tend to overpower or want to control the other person in relationships - it could indicate a "control or be controlled" feeling. He has Pisces (Spirtuality) modifying Venus (Venus in sign of its exaltation - strong energy), indicating he has strong, easily flowing relationship energy. He also has no focus on relationships.

The next thing to look at is the relationship chart (your chart is in the middle and his is on the outside). The first thing to look for in relationship charts is any connections between the Sun and Moon by themselves. There are many connections between Sun and Moon, indicating you have a "connection" to each other. The next thing to look for are the aspects made between Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars (also called "personal" planets). The strongest connections between you are to Mercury (thinking, also talking/daily work), indicating that connect to each other by talking.

However, there is only one easy aspect to Venus (relationships) between you, indicating you and he may have a challenge "relating" to each other. You have his Mars (being, also action, anger) square (energy needs to be combined with) your Venus (relationships) which can be exciting romantically short-term, but could indicate arguments long-term that need to be looked at. Also his Saturn (duty, also restriction, structure) squares (energy needs to be combined with) your Venus (relationships), indicating his attempt to "structure" the relationship could seem harsh and restrictive to you at times.

Your Sun-Mercury-Jupiter stellium (collection of energy) conjuncts his North node (future goals), so you can help with his future goals in life. For more about this see this discussion: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008360.html

You have challenges in relationships, although relationships could be a source of power for you. You also may tend to be impulsive in relationships. He may tend to overpower in relationships, although he finds relationships easy to get into. Together you communicate a lot, but may have a challenge in trying to relate together as a "couple". Active relating, exciting at first, may become a long-term challenge.

Relating,

Tim

posted February 24, 2006 03:00 AM              

yeah, based on your guidance, i looked at what you mentioned and read about these various aspects from some other sites suggested and have found useful.

i'm getting an allover message based on my newbie observations, plus several things i've read here, AND the fact i've been in this relationship ; ), that the relationship i'm in requires much attention and focus from us both, so that we stay grounded and not allow any delusions to enter, because it seems we have unusually fertile ground for self-deception & rose-colored glasses-type behavior to grow.
i read about uranus in this composite, and my interpretation is that we need a lot of room and space, and even that we may either express ourselves and/or solve some problems in rather unorthodox ways.this does seem to be the case with us. we each have a good idea of what we can deal with, and what causes friction. he's a slob, and i'm more neat-freakish. i had no desire to try to change his ways and neither did he. i also had no desire to live in a chaotic (for me) living space. so we each have our own areas in our apartment, and have compromised on an acceptable medium for the kitchen & bathroom.
it seems this composite suggests that we have to work harder than perhaps some couples do. luckily, he decided to try to learn how to communicate with me early in the relationship, and i know his flexibility in that area was one of the major hurdles we jumped. we do communicate well, and i think that is because there is a strong mutual respect and a very warm, affectionate and intellectual connection.
there are however, some negative aspects you pointed out that i have seen in our 9 years. he sometimes shirks responsibility, and i have a very hard time with him doing that. who wouldn't? you suggested i may have an aversion or unresolved issue with relationships: i definitely know i do. i'm afraid of losing myself in relationships. it always happened in the past. if he is irresponsible with his health or his money (not our shared funds), for example, i'm not only concerned for him, but i feel instantly put upon- like i'm losing my freedom and a fear comes up inside me that i'll always be taking care of my SOs kinda like they are children and i'll never truly realize my own potential.
we had about 3-4 very difficult years that we are just coming out of. i was very physically ill, and i have always had a hard time trusting others to help me. i became almost bedridden, and i could not do anything without help. he supported me in every way. he validated my feelings when doctors and my college were treating me badly, he supported me financially - in short, he has taught me i can trust myself and others. he helped me learn that i *can* actually attract, work for, people in my life who are actually trustworthy and dependable.
it exhausted us too!
now we are both coming out of that exhaustion, which we spent kinda in our own corners, in happy solitude, unencumbered solitude : ).
now i'm not sure where we are going, and i know that in about a year, i will want/need a change. either some sort of official long term commitment like marriage, or maybe, an end to our long term romance.
i'm not ready for either right now.
we took our relationship and its ups and downs with our focus on the present, our love for one another, and each of our short term life goals - and we were both satisfied with that because we knew how committed we were, but also how much personal freedom and exploration meant to each of us.
anyway, i see a change coming in me.
obviously not just based on the synastry chart, but on personal awareness.
i appreciate your explanation of what you saw. it illuminated and explained a few things.
i have to admit, i'm very proud of our relationship. we have worked very hard, we've really had to be flexible, and so far the pros have always far outweighed any cons.
so, hopefully this means that both of us have managed to deal with our possibly negative influences in healthy ways.

is it possible some of our attraction was/is from a recognition of another who has mastered some tough aspects?

is there any way to tell from one's chart if they have indeed mastered potential problems?

trying to connect the dots & feeling grateful,
zelda

posted February 24, 2006 11:52 AM              

In my opinion the success/failure of any relationship is the willingness of the two people to work together. If they can, even the most challenging chart synastries between them can work. If they can't, not even the easiest of synastries will make the relationship last. It is our will and desire to work with others which determine where we go...and who we end up with!

Relating,

posted February 24, 2006 12:12 PM            

Here's my fave quote from Steven Forrest which says just about what you did in the previous post

quote:

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To me, in the realities of the astrological counselling room, there are
two immutable premises:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

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PS: This is also the article about how we "Solarize" or "Plutonify" one another in a synastry chart

posted February 24, 2006 12:40 PM              

quote:

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It is our will and desire to work with others which determine where we go...and who we end up with!

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Az,

quote:

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There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.

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Thanks to both of you for posting. Both above quotes speak to why I find astrology so helpful and fascinating. (i copied both to my astro notebook)
I asked for info about mine & SO's combined charts, and indeed, it has been helpful. I understand, it's what we do with the information, just like anything we have in life, we chose how we act and react.

Happy,
Zelda