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virgolibra69
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posted March 04, 2006 10:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I live in Boston and the recent coverage of the 25 year old grad student from Boston, Immette has dominated the news lately! I looked up her birth chart all I knew was her birthday from the news March 2, 1981 she would have been 25, she was murdered on Feb 26, 2006 after 3 AM? I found some Uranus Aspects but no Natal Promise for Violence, except with some Fixed stars? I was wondering if anyone knew what the aspects would be for Murder and Violence?

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jkxx
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posted March 04, 2006 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto square Mars

almost got shot on the day when that was exact. But any additions would be welcome to cross-reference.

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virgolibra69
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posted March 04, 2006 11:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy that's aweful thank goodness your alright! I thought it was Pluto, Mars but I looked up her chart and she's got some serious Uranus (Sudden Unexpected Events) conjuncting her Sun!

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nove731
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posted March 05, 2006 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got Pluto Square Mars in my natal chart.

Never been close to having a near death experience.

Death doesn't seem to be a big issue for me, in general...

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alanabelle86
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posted March 05, 2006 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

my pluto is square my mars and moon, and MC and IC.

my Uranus forms a trine with my Moon, is sextile my Mars and Ascendant and square my Jupiter.

i'm not saying look at me poster child for near death experiences.

im just saying that ive been through a lot mostly due to really impulsive stupid decisions, impulsive friends that make stupid decisions, or just things coming out of nowhere at the wrong time (when im not focused on it)

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virgolibra69
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posted March 07, 2006 09:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy I have Mar 1 Capricorn Square Pluto Virgo 25 and Sun 29 degrees also square Uranus 4 degrees Libra? I worry they say these are Violence aspects but I have to say I have been very Lucky I think I have an Angel? I do have a Grand Trine with Mars, Venus and Saturn which could be my saving grace? I'm not sure but I think I have been Lucky.

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myfanci
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posted March 17, 2006 08:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i escaped death 6 years ago, my daughters father was shot at point blank range i was standing behind him at that time hit with shrapnel in my left ear from the same bullet. so painful to see children grieve i am grateful that they weren't left here alone.

often wondered about chart aspects hmmm...

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pidaua
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posted March 17, 2006 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do believe there are some aspects that may attract violence.

Pluto in the 1st house, strongly aspected or on the Ascendant or Sun can cause authority problems. Transiting Pluto / Mars and Uranus in aspect to natal planets can increase the propensity to violence.

I DO NOT believe that just because one has a strong aspect they will be subject to violence at the hands of another.

This whole theory scares the hell out of me because we are looking at it as if "Hell, the person couldn't help but be murdered because she / he had this transit going on"

Remember what Linda Goodman and almost all Astrologers worth their salt say "FREE WILL"

What you NEED to really look at is the charts of those that have a propensity to comment violence. Along with that propensity they also have free will to decide whether to do it or not.

DO not get yourself into a frenzy worrying about every aspect and if you will draw violence to you- that will only cause grief in the long run.

~Pidaua


Pluto Conjunct Ascendant (T Pluto squares both and conjuncts Sun).

T. Uranus conjunct natal Mars in Pisces

So far... so good

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jkxx
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posted March 17, 2006 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pidaua,

that's a very positive way of looking at it and I'm sure it'll help plenty of people if they can expect more positive things out of those transits.

My own experience (the pluto square mars one) happened exactly on the day when the transit was exact though, so there's no doubt in my mind that it was the cause.

-jk

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pidaua
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posted March 17, 2006 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know that I would say it is positive. I grew up a law enforcement family and was married to the commander of forensic services for a large county on the east coast. I was also training to get into forensics but chose biotech instead (having one death dealer was enough for our family).

I saw first hand what a person could do to another REGARDLESS of astrology. When you look at mass murders there is nothing about "well, all of them had Mars in Pisces and well, it aspects t Pluto and THEY just so happened to be in the same area as the guy that was having a bad day"

Instead, I do think there are precursers or presdispositions - that is why there should always be precautions.

I am not questioning that something BAD happened to someone on a day that they were also expriences a transit to one of their personal planets.

However, knowing crime and being in science, this is one time I will call BS on the theory that those murdered were experiencing a specific transit.

There isn't enough data. However, there is a ton of data concerning various aspects and planetary positions that predisposition one to COMMIT crime, violent or otherwise.

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pidaua
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posted March 17, 2006 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And for the record... I finished with Pluto square Mars in 1994. It was one of the best years of my life - in the middle of college, met a wonderful man..etc.. .(Pluto was in Sag and I have Mars in Pisces).

At this point I do have T. Uranus transiting my 6th house and conjuncting my natal Mars. While I do believe it causes mishaps and potential dangers, I do not believe it attracts violence such as Murder.

There is just as much coincidence as anything. Did my ex get violent with me because of transits or did he get violent because he was predispositioned to violence as he came from a violent background?

I would say it was due to the latter.

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lioneye68
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posted March 17, 2006 07:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brilliant as always, Pidaua. Any aspect can play out in a thousand and 1 ways, so we shouldn't ever get hung up on the most cataclismic possibility.

As for murder...well, the 8th house rules death, and they say that the planet that rules that house (be it on the cusp, or placed in the 8th house), tends to describe the circumstances of ones death. Mars rules violence, so Aries on the cusp, or Mars contained within can indicate a violent death. It can also indicate death by fire (especially if in aspect to sun) death by car crash (especially if in aspect to Uranus)...and so forth. All these same aspects can also indicate a person who is motivated to act against these things, or even to inflict them on others, intentionally or not.

Or, it can just mean you like wild monkey sex, as the 8th rules sex as well.

These are just possibilities of course, and it can be by transit, rather than natal, but the 8th traditionally speaks of circumstances surrounding one's death.

Cheerfully, Lion ....with Mars, Mercury & Sun in the 8th house

(doomed to die in a firey car crash while driving to the supermarket)

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virgolibra69
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posted April 09, 2006 02:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it has to do with Transit, progressions and Eclipses that set off the Natal Promise for Violence!

I just got trashed by co-worker, roommate and Aunt in the past few weeks! Mars Square Pluto with the Eclipse from March 14 24 degrees Virgo conjunct my Natal Pluto at 25 degrees pluto, that set off the Aspect and has caused me so much grief! Nothing I did at all but with my Sun 29 virgo conjunct Pluto 25 virgo I have a very powerful personality, which causes those whom are self confident, low self esteem and un-evolved to be frightened of me or feel as if I'm a Threat! Which is not true of me at all unless you push me, then I will defend myself at all costs! I have Uranus, Mercury and Jupiter Conjunct in Libra and also a very nurturing, kind Cancer Ascendant! I try always to be nice to everyone and most of the time get BURNED in the process! Who Knows!

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