posted March 22, 2006 05:13 AM              

If so where? Your Venus aspects? Or perhaps Chiron?

Any thoughts? Just a very curious fish

posted March 22, 2006 08:57 AM            

Gemini Venus. Retrograde! -22!! I have not necessarily bad or good karma but STRONG karma. In the 8th house too. Karma rules my life in a way. I can do what I want, but somehow I always get reminded of what I'm meant to be really doing: become a humanitarian.. which goes into my Chiron!

In the 3rd house... Cancer Chiron. I get walked all over sometimes though. I really really like to help people, and sometimes I sacrifice too much of myself.

My mother and I don't get a long at all. She's a cancer as well, but her Sun conj. Chiron. You'd think that would be beneficitial, but it's not. It's def. NOT. But I think after all our abuse towards each other, a more softer caring person has come out of me. Someone who can never hurt someone like my mother hurt me...

posted March 22, 2006 05:05 PM              

It seems I've been extremely unlucky regarding relationships, up until this year at least. Was born in an unloving family where the men left the family early, survived a nuclear explosion, lived in various places where no one cared for me, had to move to a different country, the same thing happened there, had a horrible time in high school, didn't start recovering from it all until 2 years ago.

I have venus in pisces conjunct mars and squaring uranus (by 0.16 degrees), also saturn opposition chiron and saturn opposition NN. Not sure if that combo can do all that. Maybe I was Adolf Hitler or something in a past life?!

posted March 23, 2006 02:29 PM              

First, the Nodes provide the reason for the relationship. This is where Karmic links are indicated, why ytou are together, and what it is that the two of you are suppose to do in this lifecycle.

Some of the best Venus positions are indicated below:

1st House Venus – this location indicates a relationship based on love and affection. The two of you complement each other and as a couple are more complete than either of you is capable of being separately. You were both strongly attracted to the other from the start, and will remain so throughout your relationship. There is a sense of ease with each other to this relationship that others will take notice of. This also confers upon the relationship the ability for each of you to understand and forgive each other for any small mistakes you might make. The 1st house is the persona or face of a relationship; how it appears, the impression it makes, on others who view it from the outside. There is a sense of genuine love and affection between the two of you that others will sense and respond to. As a couple, you may be involved in some effort to beautify your environment.

A 5th House Venus - indicates a relationship built upon a firm foundation of friendship. The two of you enjoy each others company and who make each other feel good. You have a mutual love of pleasure that involves such things as going out to various forms of entertainment. This is a light-hearted relationship, which when faced with the tough times that most relationships go through isn’t always up to the task. Relationships take hard work, and the two of you rather just enjoy each other. If you can maintain your enjoyment of each other through good and bad times, you have a chance for a long-term relationship. Remember the grasshopper who only wanted to sing and dance, and ignore the need to prepare for the coming winter; keep this in mind and you will do all right. This placement indicates that the two of you project a subtle magnetism that draws others attention to you. You will have a lot of friends, but they will pass through your lives fairly quickly. This position indicates that the two of you are finishing up a lot of unfinished business with other souls from previous lifecycles, and when finished they will move on making room for the next couple. All in all, the two of you have a relationship that provides a great friendship and affection for each other, if not a deep loving involvement.

8th House Venus – This position indicates that your love and affection will have an intensity to it that is unlike any other house location. It indicates that through this great love, both of you will have the opportunity for tremendous growth individually, and together as a couple. This love will be expressed on all levels of your being, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. This position describes our deepest element of sexuality. It is essential to the vitality of your relationship. Its said that no one has ever died from lack of sex, a doubtful statement at best, but totally untrue for this relationship. The two of you require sex, not just the physical side of the act, but even more, the merging of selves into one. Without sex, you would wither and die as a couple. This is not intended to put undue pressure on either of you to engage in sex prematurely, just to realize that you need to merge your physical, spiritual, and mental selves into one, and sex is your channel to do that. When I say sexual, I don’t mean just lying together and grunting out your orgasmic expressions, but expressing tenderness and sweetness toward each other at all times, and being totally aware of the other’s needs and desires. Also keep in mind that sex begins when you first wake up in the morning, and ends long after you have completed the physical release.

11th House Venus – this is an excellent placement for an intimate relationship, because the 11th house is the house having to do with friends. This doesn’t just indicate a friendship here, because Venus takes this to a much deeper level of true love and affection. It’s even more, in that you are not just in love; you really love each other deeply and completely. This location balances your love and friendship. This location also indicates that you have mutual ideals and goals in your lives. All this is not to say that with this placement all of this will just automatically happen, not at all. Just as a beautiful flower that’s left unattended will wither and die, so can a beautiful relationship. The two of you must focus on your choices in life that best nourishes your love and friendship; that will allow it to blossom into the beautiful relationship that it has the potential to become. This comes from planned goals and strategies whose goal is to keep your relationship fresh and expanding. Over time this relationship will take on a more collective responsibility for itself, but never loose that image of the two of you walking into the sunset together, hand in hand. Maintaining that image in your minds will help manifest it in your lives.

This is not ment to imply that other Venus house locations are bad, but that these are the ones most noticed by others outside the relationship.

Lanny

posted March 24, 2006 05:13 AM              

“My mother and I don't get a long at all. She's a cancer as well, but her Sun conj. Chiron. You'd think that would be beneficitial, but it's not. It's def. NOT. But I think after all our abuse towards each other, a more softer caring person has come out of me. Someone who can never hurt someone like my mother hurt me…”
The relationship with my mother is similar. And definitely karmic, due to her Saturn :/ I think sometimes our parents are there to teach us what not to do

jkxx you we not Hitler - someone else on this board was jk
“also saturn opposition chiron and saturn opposition NN. Not sure if that combo can do all that.”
I have a really nasty Saturn aspect with my Mars. I think with Saturn, though I’m not certain…if you can somehow learn the lesson, then you can overcome the aspect. Altho hard to do, it brings comfort to know it’s not permanent. Now to find out what that lesson is :/

Lanny thank you so much for the Venus positions!!

“First, the Nodes provide the reason for the relationship. This is where Karmic links are indicated, why ytou are together, and what it is that the two of you are suppose to do in this lifecycle.”
You reminded me of something, about karmic links. Are they always good? Can they sometimes be bad?

posted March 24, 2006 08:38 AM              

Composite South Node in the 6th House and North Node in the 12th House – Responsibilities have defined the two of your relationship for the last several lifecycles, usually at the cost of your own self-expressions. In some lifecycles, the two of you may have been in servitude positions, or even slaves of some well to do land owner.. In other lifecycles, you may have had family responsibilities that tied you down without any means of escape. Regardless of the context, the point is that neither of you were your own selves, able to express your uniqueness and innate abilities. All of this servitude, readily accepted or forced on you deserves some good in this lifecycle. Here now as a couple, you must strive to not allow yourselves to be put in the same situation again, either by your own actions or the actions of others. In this lifecycle, your quest is to serve yourselves. Now that may seem selfish on your part, but given your history together serving others, its not. You need to separate yourselves from others, physically and emotionally so as not to be drawn back into your old habits. You have a wonderful legacy coming to you as a couple; all you have to do is claim it. You do this primarily by not falling into old patterns, by un-complicating your lives as much as you can. As far as your responsibilities in this lifecycle, that’s not what your lives are about this time around. Those who try to make you responsible for them are better off in the long run if you don’t accept that job. Spend this lifecycle finding out who you are, and each other is, not abdicating your growth.

The point is that a relationship is a growth process between the two souls that occurs over a number of lifecycles, and to take any one of those lifecycles and think of it as bad or good, is to miss the bigger overall picture.

My 2 cents

posted March 24, 2006 10:35 AM              

Very true, hadn’t thought of it that way. I suppose the world isn’t just black and white

posted March 27, 2006 07:06 PM              

I feel chiron will always cause you pain where ever it sits, it will just take a different channel. It's kind of like a river, you can redirect it and move it, but it's always going to be there.