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Arnicka
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posted March 30, 2006 03:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aspects/placements /in general/ for this (behavior-wise)? Have read that Saturn would be ruling over this, so maybe personal placements in Cappy would be more prone [?] but in Rex E. Bill's book Uranus in parentheses is apparently the "ruler"

Also, which do you think would be more prone to this, An aqua or a capricorn Moon? I'm trying to figure out this person's chart and no matter what the sign the Moon makes "good" aspects so no squares to Saturn etc. Person in question is an Aqua and this trait seems unusual for this sign, or no?

Thanks guys!

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Ingrid
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posted March 30, 2006 04:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, my father is aqua and he is quite controller, maybe it is because the rol he has with me as a father...I have other friend who is aqua and she is the most organised person I know, she always has everything under control but I donīt know about her relationships.
I donīt have more info, just this two tips!

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Lauren
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posted March 30, 2006 07:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think fixed signs are controlling. I knew a guy with Pluto in the 1st in Scorpio, opposite Mars (Taurus) in the 7th and square Jupiter (Aquarius).. so a fixed square. He has issues. I'd probably say it was closest to narcissism, if I had to classify it as something. Definitely controlling.

Same guy has Saturn in the 1st, also in Scorpio.

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jkxx
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posted March 30, 2006 10:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, fixed signs sounds right. Cap is controlling but not manipulatively controlling in general unless saturn makes aspects to pluto or is in a fixed sign.

Look for sun/moon/mercury-pluto hard aspects (esp. squares) for an unconscious desire to manipulate others. A 1st house saturn could make the person try to slow down everyone else's progress.

I know people with mercury square pluto who like to stick their nose where it doesn't belong quite a bit and you have a hard time fending them off.

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wilsontc
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posted March 30, 2006 12:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Arnicka,

Pluto is the energy of being "controlling" while Saturn is about being "in control". To simplify this, I prefer to think of Saturn as "the authority" and Pluto as "the power". If you want to find a controlling person, find one with Pluto conjunct (energy is combined with) their Midheaven (outer world). They want to control their (and maybe everybody else's!) outer world!

In control,

Tim

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neval3000
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posted March 30, 2006 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wilson;

you said luto conjuction with MC..So controls elses
i have question..it may be nonsence..ok..my pluto in libra and my MC is libra..is that mean conjuction..my natal language is not english..so sometimes i dont understand..and i try to learn astrology in english;because here astrology knowledge is not enough...thank you..

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Devilfish
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posted March 30, 2006 02:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have pluto in libra conjunct my mc.......
,i do want control of my life but i dont have interst in controlling the lives of others, mines hard enough,lol. in fact all of my friends say they like me because i do not try to change them but love them for who they are.
that being said i do have a strong family that is known for their um uh er "power", this is true of my family and the family i married into, which is very male dominate.

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jkxx
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posted March 30, 2006 02:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim,

I see you mentioned having Pluto conjunct MC as a sign of a controlling personality. I have that in my natal chart but haven't found much about it except astro saying the parents are extremely controlling/possessive which has been true. Do you know of any sites or resources which go into the details of that aspect? Thanks for advance.

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Happy Dragon
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posted March 30, 2006 03:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*jkxx* .. re: Pluto ..
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The Astrology of Fate .. Liz Greene
Paperback - 378 pages (January 1986)
Samuel Weiser; ISBN: 0877286361

one reviewer wrote:
Liz Greene has influenced my thinking more than any individual, astrologer or not. Her experience as a Jungian analyst, her Rising Sign in Scorpio, her Pluto in the 9th house, all give her the power and perspective to write as she does about this difficult area of astrology. If you have Pluto prominent in your chart, do yourself a favor and read this book. You will probably feel like, at last, someone understands you and the "way it is" for the Pluto Club. Greene gives unforgettable examples of case history from her astrological practice. Her writing is a marvel of craft, skill, and discipline, laced with some British-isms that seem charming to me. I place her at the top of writers in the field for her style and scope. What I like most about this book, however, is the profundity of her thoughts, the compassion so evident in her commentary and the healing insights which accompany her lucid descriptions of this dark planet through the signs, houses and lives of those discussed. I do not think you can adequately understand Pluto without absorbing this book. There is none other its equal in the present market.
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The Book of Pluto (Paperback)
by Steven Forrest
Paperback: 352 pages
Publisher: Astro Communications Services (April 1, 1995)
ISBN: 0935127348

one reviewer wrote:
Steven Forrest tackles the planet of intensity, interpreting Pluto by house, sign and aspect with great sensitivity, incredible honesty and the author's wonderfully literate style. Learn about the shadows and distorting wound - as well as the healing method and saving grace - of each Pluto placement.
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The Outer Planets and Their Cycles: The Astrology of the Collective
by Liz. Greene
Paperback - 182 pages 2nd edition (May 1996)
CRCS Publications; ISBN: 0916360601
Availability: This title is out of print. ( so maybe in second hand bookshop)
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jkxx
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posted March 30, 2006 04:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HappyDragon,

thanks for the book recommendations. I've had a psychological horoscope done by Liz Greene and it was extremely insightful. Will definitely check those out!

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sdg1844
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posted March 30, 2006 04:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Pluto in the 1st and when I was younger I was an extreme control freak. When people weren't what I wanted them to be I gave them a hard time and was very unyielding and unforgiving. I was very rigid and dogmatic. Not something you'd expect from a person w/4 mutable planets.

I have since become older and wiser. I understand that control is an illusion. I'm just interested in living a good life and embracing people for who they are and not what I want them to be.

Having Pluto in my 1st house does make me concerned with being reborn so to speak. I feel as if I am constantly reincarnating and changing for the better.

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Before you speak, ask yourself, is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve on the silence?
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wilsontc
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posted March 30, 2006 04:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neval,

You asked:

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...my pluto in libra and my MC is libra..is that mean conjuction...

If you Pluto is within 8 degrees of the Midheaven, I would consider it a conjunction. If Pluto is more than 8 degrees of the Midheaven, I would not consider it a conjunction.

Simply,

Tim

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wilsontc
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posted March 30, 2006 04:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jkxx,

You asked:

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Pluto conjunct MC...Do you know of any sites or resources which go into the details of that aspect?

Here is a useful link: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/pluto-conjunct-midheaven-mc.php

Linking,

Tim

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Arnicka
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posted March 30, 2006 11:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lauren ~ I think of Aqua & control & it doesn't seem to fit because of the "detachemnt" but you are right about the fixed sgins, so I see this now. TY

jkxx ~ TY for aspects 2 look 4

Tim ~ Would Pluto opposing the MC also qualify? This is someone who would classify as "Plutonian" in the sense that they are quite extreme in their behaviors going to one end of the spectrum and then dishing it all out to go to the other, regularly purges their residence of excess "junk" cos they don't want to feel unfettered, pushes self quite intensely, etc. So a strong pluto looks possible.

sdg1844 ~ Do you find that you are more comfortable around people who see things in black and white/who are unambiguous about their beliefs/thoughts/etc.? This would all be referencing the past when you saw yourself as more controlling. TY

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posted March 31, 2006 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shop22much     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim- I am confused...i thought if its in the same sign its a conjunction? no?

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sdg1844
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posted March 31, 2006 12:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Amricka: I do find your statement true. I am more comfortable around people who are clear and explicit about their beliefs, thoughts, etc. The whole kind of blurry thing makes me crazy.. LOL!
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sdg1844 ~ Do you find that you are more comfortable around people who see things in black and white/who are unambiguous about their beliefs/thoughts/etc.? This would all be referencing the past when you saw yourself as more controlling. TY

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jkxx
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posted March 31, 2006 12:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim,

thanks for the link. This looks like a much more complete version of astro's interpretation.

shop,

The 8 to 9 degrees apart figure which Tim used is the most commonly accepted one for conjunctions (but I've seen astrologers go as tight as 6 degrees or as wide as 13). If the planets are in the same sign but more than 8-9 degrees apart they'll work in a compatible way but won't be conjunct. (The conjunction implies a fusion of the planets' energies instead of just the planets expressing their energies in a similar way.)

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