posted April 05, 2006 02:44 PM            

He could be a complete Cancer and any leonine influence may be from his moon / merc or even having his Sun in the 1st house.

I'm a Sag Sun / Aries Moon / Venus in Sag. I once dated a Cancer Sun / Sag Moon / Venus in Gemini guy that I thought was pretty cool.

He could be a complete barrel of laughs, followed by temper-tantrums (he was very jealous that I had so many friends) periods of silence, he'd flake out, then he'd be normal again. A Taurus Sun / Sag moon that I dated for a while nicknamed the Cancer "Tool-Bag" because of how dense he was. I ended up dropping him, dating the Taurus, ended things with him... and now I am in an extremely happy / fun-loving relationship with a Leo (Pisces Sun / Venus in Virgo).

It's a breath of fresh air.

That isn't to say Sag and Cancer don't work out. That combo is common and in some cases you can't get away from it LOL.. My mom is a Cancer Sun / Cancer moon while my father is a Cap Sun / Cancer moon.

My brother happens to be a Sag with a Scorp moon (I am the only fire moon in the family- including my nephews).

If he is a Leo (even if that means closer to the cusp) he may have a Cancer moon or Venus in Cancer (makes one quiet and prone to brooding).

posted April 05, 2006 07:04 PM              

24/07/1986
8am
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Leo 01°17'47 12 direct
Moon Pisces 12°09'34 07 direct
Mercury Cancer 29°35'45 12 retrograde
Venus Virgo 14°23'41 01 direct
Mars Capricorn 13°46'21 05 retrograde
Jupiter Pisces 22°37'57 08 retrograde
Saturn Sagittarius 03°12'50 04 retrograde
Uranus Sagittarius 18°50'03 04 retrograde
Neptune Capricorn 03°42'31 05 retrograde
Pluto Scorpio 04°33'40 03 direct
True Node Aries 24°36'28 09 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 27°00'48
2nd House Virgo 18°23'46
3rd House Libra 15°22'22
Imum Coeli Scorpio 18°40'28
5th House Sagittarius 25°18'02
6th House Capricorn 28°51'22
Descendant Aquarius 27°00'48
8th House Pisces 18°23'46
9th House Aries 15°22'22
Medium Coeli Taurus 18°40'28
11th House Gemini 25°18'02
12th House Cancer 28°51'22

posted April 05, 2006 07:57 PM              

Of course Im not saying your obnoxious. I dont know you.I guess I havent gotten the hang of this posting thing yet. But Im guessing its to try and give the poster some reassurance and advice.

So here goes:

I guess there are short terms fixes for this kind of behaviour. You can continually give him a lot of attention and try and pry him of his shirt by making him laugh. This works on me but I just end up feeling guilty for all receiving all that attention and making you feel bad. As a result, my defences go up as I try and be 'stronger' the next time. At the end of the day, for us Cancerians, its all about security. We want to feel secure with whoever we're with. We need to know you are strong enough to...to handle us really. We dont mean to be difficult and acknowledging we are sends us further into our shell.

I know this sounds complex. But I throw my hands down now and conceed. We are. We really are.

Though instead of falling victim to this kind of behaviour, just call him on it. And tell him you refuse to talk to him when he's in such a mood. And when hes ready to talk he should let you know. Make him acknowledge his mood is no fault of yours but his choice.

I hope that helped a little.

posted April 05, 2006 09:03 PM              

Those are some very good pointers, and they make a lot of sense with my current situation. What should I do if he isn't making an effort at all? Like right now he is too busy to see me, while I am working two jobs and going to school and can still make time for him. I guess people have different likes and dislikes.. I like to spend my time with others and he probably likes to spend it alone.

posted April 06, 2006 06:14 PM            

Yes.. is a Leo... a very dreamy, serious, quiet Leo that is prone to withdrawal.

He has his Sun in his 12th house and his moon is in Pisces. He can be extremely intuitive and may have an active dream-life. Sometimes that Pisces moon picks up on so many underlying emotional issues from those around them, that they have to hide in their own little world away from everyone.

He also has Mercury in Cancer- another aspect that may cause him to pull back or guard his words until he is ready to trust that person.

He has a strong square with his Natal Sun and his Natal Pluto on Scorp (I have the Sun Square Pluto aspect along with the Sun Trine Saturn aspect that he has) It can make for a very driven person that has issues with authority or how people percieve how we deal with others.

At the same time - check out that serious Moon square Saturn aspect in his chart. That can lead to someone that surpresses his emotions or his sensitivity it at odds with Saturn in Sag.

I am dating a Leo as well (but he's at 25 degrees and trines my Sun). Like your Leo he has Moon in Pisces, Leo rising (his sun's in the first house) Venus in Virgo while his outer planets are different (he was born in 73).

He is sensitive and isn't prone to outburst yet he can be incredibly FUNNY!!! We laugh all the time (mostly me cracking him up- Saggies are the Leo's clowns in all reality). His venus in Virgo can be a bit much for me since I have it in Sag. He is INCREDIBLY detail oriented, but I don't know what I'd do without it. Last night he bought me roses (white - my FAVORITE) before he left for Germany (he'll be back in two months ..boo hoo) and I put them in a nice vase..BUT.. I said "I need to remember to shut the door before we leave so the cats don't think you bought THEM the roses / salad" Sure enough... we're about 15 miles out and I realized I didn't shut the door....

But he did... he remembered... because he always does LOL...

What degree Sag are you?

posted April 06, 2006 06:22 PM            

He also is DRIVEN (but he's a bit calmer now - we do that as we age and realize that we are letting things slip in pursuit of that career / school). He is a Sgt First Class in the Army and can end up working a 14 hour day easy - then have only 1 real day for the weekend..etc.... He does all he can to see me, but it can still be frustrating with our respective responsibilities. Even though the desire to spend tons of time together is there, it isn't always feasible.

Remember what I said about the Saturn Trine Sun aspect... DRIVEN.. AMBITIOUS... BUSY

posted April 07, 2006 12:10 AM              

I'm 23 Sag Sun, here are my details!

born on 15 Dec 1986 local time 08:15 pm
in Toronto, ON (CAN) U.T. 01+15
79w23, 43n39 sid. time 01:35:02
Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Sagittarius 23°46'32 05 direct
Moon Gemini 21°08'20 11 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 08°46'43 05 direct
Venus Scorpio 11°47'55 04 direct
Mars Pisces 13°39'28 08 direct
Jupiter Pisces 15°17'44 08 direct
Saturn Sagittarius 13°33'03 05 direct
Uranus Sagittarius 22°38'19 05 direct
Neptune Capricorn 05°05'07 05 direct
Pluto Scorpio 09°00'56 04 direct
True Node Aries 18°43'37 09 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 09°18'08
2nd House Leo 29°15'24
3rd House Virgo 24°01'32
Imum Coeli Libra 25°38'00
5th House Sagittarius 02°52'13
6th House Capricorn 09°00'11
Descendant Aquarius 09°18'08
8th House Aquarius 29°15'24
9th House Pisces 24°01'32
Medium Coeli Aries 25°38'00
11th House Gemini 02°52'13
12th House Cancer 09°00'11

posted April 07, 2006 03:12 PM            

1) Your Mars forms a tight conjunction to his Moon in Pisces. His emotions will get under your skin as you feel like he needs to pick up the pace.

2) Your Sun forms a loose square to his Moon (but Pisces and Sag have similar qualities, so they can still get along emotionally) but you will have hard time understand his need for withdrawal and what seems like lack of interest or input.

3) Your Gemini moon does not know what to do with his Venus in Virgo and Pisces Moon. Combine that with his Sun squaring your Venus in Scorp and the issues between the two of you lie in not understanding the other's nature.

Venus in Virgo is extremely organized and they like things a certain way. Leo's don't like to be prodded and I will have to say that you being a young Saggie woman, with a Gemini moon, Merc in Sag and Venus in Scorp, you WANT to know everything about your lover, where they are, what their goals are etc... even though Saggies aren't known for being possessive - you may very well come across as that way because of your gregarious nature combined with that very, very possessive Venus in Scorpio.

Venus in Virgo cannot be posssesed, Leo Sun cannot be possessed, Pisces likes it to a point, until they slip away. He may feel that you are TOO TOO involved with what he is doing and quite tired of you giving him "little tips on how to get closer".

You need to ask yourself, are you will to take this relationship and him as he is? What you see is what you get for the most part with a Leo. Sure, he may not be a mush pot right up front, that comes later - but he isn't going to bend much.

To add to your electricity you have Sun conjunct Uranus in Sag. Basically, adding mass amounts of uncontrollable energy to your personality. That is something that MUST be controlled or you can steamroll over people leaving them in the dust.

You probably already have your share of wacky, but fun experiences along with very different people that come into your life.

His Sun falls into your 12th house and he may feel like he pales in comparison to you. I dated a Leo that fell just into my 12th house and he didn't care for taking a backseat to my pursuits, EVEN THOUGH I tried to include him and give him the attention.

If he is open to astrology and if you can bring things down a notch, I'd advise you to use a synastry program or purchase a synastry chart to take a look at your issues - good and bad.

It can work, but remember what Linda Goodman says about Saggies punching into the Leo's ego and being so scattered.

Oh yes... and I can't stress enough to please watch the Leo's ego. I know we Saggies can be total chatter boxes and want to share all of our daily events with another (especially if you have a Gemini moon) but take time to ask your Leo how HE is doing and how HIS day went. The more you take stock and understand his career / busy schedule, the more he will make time for you.

When I first started seeing my new Leo, it took a while for us to connect on a date. He had an odd schedule and even when we became serious there were times when we had plans that he couldn't make. I never let him feel bad about it because it couldn't be helped. My schedule is set as far as work goes, but I also have a busy social life and I am involved in various organizations. He understood and had to wait to see me. We would compromise and he'd meet me later that night or we'd reschedule.

I could never allow him to feel guilty for what was out of his control. NOW, if your Leo is taking advantage of the situation and blowing you off for the buddies or playing sports instead of making the date with you, then you have a bigger problem.

posted April 07, 2006 10:57 PM              

First of all, you are right about me being possessive. I think I deserve the right to know a little about what he is doing/thinking/etc.. I have been very good at controlling my possessiveness, believe me. I always take the time to ask him how he is FEELING and how things are in general every time we talk. However, I usually get a vibe within 5 minutes and decide whether or not he is even in the mood to have a real conversation. Basically I have been very flexible from day 1 and I continue to be as best I can. I don't feel like anything I do is met half-way.

What's interesting is that he is very into astrology (or so he claims). He began talking about the first time we met, actually. I was always interested but this relationship has driven me to look for guidance in astrology and so far it's helping me understand myself a lot better - not to mention my relationship. I plan on showing him our synastry chart soon. I think that is the best way to bring up our difficulties without getting too personal with him. Of course, this is assuming he is willing to make the effort.

Effort seems to be the big problem here. Maybe he thinks I will always be understanding when he needs to shut me out for a while? Frankly I think I scare him at times, even though I try not to cling too much.

I think he has a lot of intimacy issues.. something he may or may not be able to work on. Hopefully I can sit down with him soon and try to figure this out. We haven't had a *real* conversation in a while and I think that's the problem.

posted April 10, 2006 02:08 PM            

I think you are right on track. I understand your situation more and it's great that the two of you can look at astrology as a way to "break" the conversation ice. I think synastry really helps in allowing two people to discuss the issues and harmonious points without it getting too personal.

My Leo and discussed this last night (your situation) especially since you and I are both Saggies but he and I are much older. When he was 19 he was going to school full time and working full time. He said at that age he just didn't have time for alot, but had we met back then, I'd have scared the hell out of him.

We Saggie women can be a force to be reckoned with and although age tempers us (there is a reason Temperance and the Fool are often attributed to us in Tarot) we can still be a Texas tornado. LOL....

I know it has to be hard to be feeling all those emotions (and we have that ability to detect what is going on with the other person) and not having an outlet.

How did this weekend go? Do you two get to spend any one on one time together?

posted April 10, 2006 05:15 PM              

I tried talking to him more, but he is a brick wall. C'est la vie, I guess, I will take what I've learned from this experience and improve myself. I have already learned so much, it's incredible.

posted April 10, 2006 05:22 PM            

Give him some time, who knows what may happen. You seem like a solid person, with a good head on her shoulders (and I imagine you are one brilliant cookie with all that Uranus energy).

If you need to talk or ask for advice... just holler