posted April 08, 2006 09:41 AM              

But can anyone tell me: when looking at a Synastry chart, which person sees what?

For example, if the OUTER chart has their Sun in the 11th House WHO would be seen as a FRIEND? Would it be the INNER person or the OUTER person? Or will BOTH see each other as FRIENDS?

A Friend of mine has her SUN in my Seventh house and when I confronted her today about marriage she confessed that for the last 20 years she has wanted to MARRY me!!!

So is it the person who is INSIDE sees the other person on the OUTSIDE.

Not sure if this makes sense but I'm sure there are many enlightened individuals out there who can help me with this.

Thanks

posted April 08, 2006 10:19 AM              

In synastry, the point of view is from the person with the chart on the inside of the synastry chart. The reason is because the inner chart is the BIRTH chart (the chart energy we carry around our entire life), so synastry is about how the other person fits around a person's energies. Just as with transit charts (chart of the current planetary energy interacting with a person), the synastry is a chart of the other person's energy interacting with a person.

Synastrating,

posted April 08, 2006 11:01 AM              

So... a little more detail!

If the other person (outside) has their SUN in my 11th House, for example, I will see them as a FRIEND. Would that be a fair, but simple, interpretation?

And if I have my SUN in a person's 10th House they would view me as a 'Career opportunity' maybe? Or in a broad way related to their Career?

posted April 08, 2006 03:48 PM              

I understood what Tim wrote, that "the synastry is from the point of view from the person with the chart on the inside"-

But I'm a bit confused, 'cause I've also read that the person whose planet's falls in someone's house is also affected by that energy-(not only the house person).

Just confused

posted April 09, 2006 02:33 AM              

Your analysis sounds good to me!

Agreeing,

Tim

posted April 09, 2006 02:35 AM              

You said:

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I've also read that the person whose planet's falls in someone's house is also affected by that energy-(not only the house person)...

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The thing to remember is it depends on whose POINT OF VIEW we are talking about. If it is a chart between A and B, to get A's point of view, we put A in the middle with B around A. To get B's point of view, we put B in the middle with A around B. The thing frequently forgotten by people new to synastry is that there are always TWO perspectives in our relationships: ours...and the other person we are relating with!

Relating,

posted April 09, 2006 03:59 AM            

Not sure if either of you are familiar with the book entitled "The Astrology of Human Relationships" written by Frances Sakoian and Louis S. Acker.

It is a cookbook style synastry text, which describes the planet in the house from the point of view of the house person and the planet person. It also describes the aspects, including the planets, the four angles and both nodes, from both points of view.

posted April 09, 2006 07:08 AM              

I always thought it was the house person who would feel the planet person’s energies in their house.. BUT there's another way you could look at it.. In natal for instance, on some level you are aware of where your planetary energies go.. For instance, my sun is in Aries in the 11th.. I know I use my sun in Aquarian (11th) pursuits. I definitely don't use my Arien energy in personal pursuits.. My 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th houses are empty.. so I'm not all that centred on myself at all. Though oddly I have a lot of family members who have personal planets in my empty houses.. They are centred on my personal well being a lot more than I am.

But my point is, since in natal you pretty much know where your planets play out.. depending on which houses they are in.. then in synastry when a person’s planets fall into whichever house of yours.. they would also be aware that *this* is where they fit in your life..

posted April 11, 2006 02:23 PM              

I understand what your are saying, but I don't think it works that way. The planets, as we both agree, ARE the energy. But where this energy is FOCUSED is frequently different for different people. For example, suppose that Bob's Sun (self-expression, also dating) is strongly focused in Linda's 5th house (self-expression, also dating). So Linda feels Bob intensely as a "great date". Now, ALSO suppose that, in Bob's Birth chart, his Sun is focused in his 7th house (relationships). So Bob expresses himself in terms of being in a relationships. If there is a strong, easy connection between Linda's energy and Bob's Sun, Linda will think she is in "dating heaven" while Bob is "hearing wedding bells"!

This kind of confusion of FOCUS is common in relationships, and it can easily be seen in astrology. So, the ENERGY remains the same, but where the energy is FOCUSED determines how each of us "see" the energy. This is because at our birth we were "fixed" into focusing on the world in a certain way. So, in our example, Linda can not focus on the effects of Sun in 7th (Bob's point of view): she only focuses on her own point of view...because that is all she knows!

The beauty of astrology is, if Linda is open to astrology, she can understand how Bob got the "wrong idea", based on where the Sun is in Bob's chart. This can be VERY useful in relationships because we can come to understand the other person's focuses and how they are similar/different from ours!

And this can prevent a LOT of yelling!

Relating in a focused way,

posted April 11, 2006 02:28 PM              

You said:

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A Friend of mine has her SUN in my Seventh house and when I confronted her today about marriage she confessed that for the last 20 years she has wanted to MARRY me!!!

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There are most likely other things in her chart or between you than just her Sun in your 7th house which indicate her marriage attraction to you. You would have to look at the synastry with her chart in the middle and yours around the outside to fully understand her point of view.

Adding more,

posted April 11, 2006 03:52 PM              

If my Sun (and venus) is in my 7th house, and his Sun is in my 7th house; but his Sun is in his 8th house and my Sun is in his 6th house and my Moon is in his 5th house... Is it more likely that he's not viewing me as the serious potential partner like I am him?

posted April 11, 2006 03:54 PM              

Hi CapGirl!
(nice nick by the way), I find myself surrounded by caps! (friends and partners) (not only sun sign)... I've got a special connection with them. Maybe 'cause I'm a Cancer

Hello Astroleolady!, nope, I've never read that book. It sounds pretty interesting!, Thanks for the tip

Hi Lauren!
Despite the fact that I'm not a professional astrologer, I think that what you says makes LOT of sense. Both persons feel it, there is an exchange of energies.

Hello Tim!
I understand what you said, but you see it as one way around!- I feel more closed to what the laides explained. If someone's Sun falls in my 7th house, I certainly see him as a potential partner, but doesn't he feel that too?- doesn't he feel like a natural partner to me, also??-

Hi Selena!
Quoted:
"if someone's say Sun falls in another's fifth house, the Sun persons vitality and persona (the Sun) will be directed to the other's persons love house. In other words, the Sun WANTS (active) to be the lover (or the father, or the playmate, all fifth house themes), and the fifth house person SEES the Sun as such.

This is what I was talking about!!-

posted April 11, 2006 05:27 PM              

You said:

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If my Sun (and venus) is in my 7th house, and his Sun is in my 7th house; but his Sun is in his 8th house and my Sun is in his 6th house and my Moon is in his 5th house... Is it more likely that he's not viewing me as the serious potential partner like I am him?

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First of all, as hinted previously, we need to see the ENTIRE chart to make any sort of overall decision on who is attracted to whom and why! However, looking ONLY at this situation:

His Sun (self-expression) focused in your 7th house (relationships) = you see his self-expression as focused on relationships

Your Sun (self-expression) focused in his 6th house (daily work, also routine) = he sees your self-expression as some sort of routine

Your Moon (home, also emotions) focused in his 5th house (self-expression, also dating) = he feels your energy as an urge for dating

In addition:

His Sun (self-expression) focused in the 8th house (transformation, also sex) = he expresses himself sexually

Your Sun (self-expression) and Venus (relationships) focused in your 7th house (relationships) = you express yourself in terms of relationships

Looking ONLY at this, it seems that he may have more of a dating urge from your energy, while you have more of a relationship urge. In cases like this, it is probably best to let him know how you feel and see what he has to say. This is known as the "short cut" to complicated astrological synastry!

Relating,

posted April 11, 2006 05:43 PM              

You said:

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I understand what you said, but you see it as one way around!- I feel more closed to what the laides explained. If someone's Sun falls in my 7th house, I certainly see him as a potential partner, but doesn't he feel that too?- doesn't he feel like a natural partner to me, also?

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There is always plenty of room in astrology for different points of view! However, I don't see it as "one way around"...I see it as TWO ways around! I suggested there ARE two ways (not just one way) to look at people in a relationship: that is, there are TWO, separate points of view. While Lauren's suggestion was that somehow all the different points of view were SHARED (A see's B's point of view and B see's A's point of view).

As I mentioned, while it is possible that someone sees you as a partner from what you described, that is not going to be caused by his Sun in YOUR 7th house, unless your Sun is in HIS 7th house or there is something else in the chart which indicates a relationship between you.

To me, as also I hinted, the greatest indication that there ARE two, separate points of view in a relationship is how often two people, living together for years, continually misunderstand the other person! They will SWEAR (sometimes outloud! ) up and down that they absolutely understand the other person, only to find out that they have no CLUE why the other person does the things they do to them. Looking at the different focus of planets in each person's houses (i.e., A's planets focused in B's houses vs. B's planets focused in A's houses) indicates the differences in point of view.

A good planet to test this with is Mercury (thinking, also talking). Look to see where their Mercury falls in our chart. This shows how we receive their talking. Now look to see where Mercury falls in THEIR chart. This shows how THEY receive our talking. You will find that they often "hear" things COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from what we say to them. As most people in relationships already know!

Allowing for differences of point of view,

posted April 11, 2006 10:06 PM            

You are welcome for the synastry book recommendation. Not a lot of people seem to mention it on astrology boards.

Sakioan & Acker seem to believe that both people feel the energies as well.

The delineations in their book for each planet in a house are expressed both in terms of the planet person and the house person. Their descriptions treat the energy as going both ways.

posted April 12, 2006 02:23 PM              

Just to clarify...whatever the differences of opinion about who experiences what when their planets are in somebody else's house, I did NOT mean to imply that simply because of ONE thing in a chart that any overall conclusion could be made about the relationship between the two people. We have to look at the indvidual charts and the synastry to atempt to determine the overall attractions and challenges to those attractions in order to understand the energies of the relationship.

And, even then, the decision for marraige is not necessarily indicated in the charts OR in the synastry. Some people get married because they think it's the right thing to do. Some people get married because their parents tell them it's the right thing to do. Some people get married because they think they are running out of time. Some people get married to have a baby. And on it goes.

We agree that people are complex and there are many ways they can use their energy or shared energies in their life. Astrology can give us SOME insight into the hidden world of people's personal point of view. But what people choose to do with that point of view and their own energies is NOT revealed through astrology. And that is the beauty of free will.

Freely,