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LILYGIRL
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posted April 12, 2006 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Oh Tim, I need your read on this.

If three of my main planets (personal) Venus, Mercury and Sun fall in someone's 11th houses (friends, associations, hopes and wishes...blah blah etc)

AND that house is ruled by VENUS (taurus in this instance)....

How do you think that impact his feelings? her feelings?

(...I used to just look at the house then I realized that when I was doing that with my Moon, it wasn't just where my Moon fell but what planet was ruling the house...)

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wilsontc
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posted April 12, 2006 05:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lily,

I will give you my thoughts, but they aren't shared by everybody! There is a large discussion going on in this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008808.html

about this issue...who senses whose planets in synastry? I am taking a very structured view about synastry and house placement:

We only have ONE point of view, and when people's planets fall into our houses we see this from OUR point of view. The interesting thing is that, in the other person's chart, our planets frequently will fall into DIFFERENT houses. So, when we focus our energy on something for ourselves,the other person receives (by house focus in their chart) our energy completely differently. This, it seems to me, is why there are so often disagreements in relationships: a person puts out their OWN energy intending it one way, but it seems completely different to the other person because it falls into a different HOUSE (different focus) in their chart.

Anyway, that's the astrological theory I have been talking about. So, applying this theory, I suggest it means that THEY see YOU as their friend and may behave in a "friendly" way to you: close but not TOO close. To keep the astrology simple, since there is energy in the house, I don't look at the house cusps at all.


In fairness (and to not force you to read the entire thread I posted! ), there is a different astrological theory that says that BOTH people feel the connection in the SAME way: this person feels you are friendly to them (your planets focused in their 11th house) and you also feel friendly to the person (your awareness of your planets focused in their 11th house).

Giving both sides,

Tim

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LILYGIRL
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posted April 12, 2006 05:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay Tim, I hear you and have not even gotten to that thread yet..... But are you saying that Taurus/Venus ruling that 11th would be the same as say Virgo or Aqua ruling that 11th. I mean should I not be looking at the fact that Venus is ruling that house and just that the planets have fallen into the 11th house of friends?

Oh, and let me squeeze this question in while I am here. I know the ASCENDANT is not actually a planet, but how would one read say the falling of their ascendant in their partner's 5th house?

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wilsontc
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posted April 13, 2006 01:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lily,

I try to keep things simple in astrology and regard reading of house cusps (signs on the edge of houses) as a "second level" of analysis (a kind of "deep examination" of the house). To me, if there are planets focused in a house there is a focus on the issues of that house. I could get more in depth but, if I attempt that, I only confuse myself! So, no matter what sign is on the cusp of a house, I simply say, "OK! There are planets in the house. So there is a focus on the issues of that house," and leave it at that. To find out more about the planets I look at what sign each of the planets is in and use the astro-sentence "sign modifying planet focused on house" (step 5 in the link below). Much MORE information can be gathered by analyzing house cusps and planets ruling house cusps...but for me that information doesn't ADD anything particularly important to the "big picture" interpretation I am interested in.

I have been using "I" throughout this discussion not only because I am an incredible egotist , but also because this is MY point of view. Everyone should personalize their astrology for themselves. If analyzing house cusps works for you, by all means use it! Many astrologers do with great results!

As you mention, the Ascendant (self) is a point which indicates an area of focus, although the point brings no ENERGY to this focus. So person B's Ascendant (self) focused in person A's 5th house (self-expression, also dating) indicates person A may see person B as focusing themselves personally on person A romantically, even though person A feels no romantic energy. However, this is only person A's point of view. Person B may be completely unaware that Person A thinks they focus on them romantically, unless there are romantic indications from person B's point of view.

Romantically,

Tim

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For information on basic astrological chart interpretation see: http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc

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LILYGIRL
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posted April 13, 2006 03:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Tim...I gotcha...I think or I will after I read it again

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wilsontc
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posted April 14, 2006 10:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lily,

I know you haven't asked anything more about this, but this question of who "feels" the energy in a synastry has been going around and around in my head. I want to keep the astrological theory consistent and simple, so I look at a synastry as simply a non-moving transit. The effect in a synastry is the same as a transit, but this transit doesn't ever move. And, as long as each person's date, time, and place of birth are different, each person will have different synastry "transits".

Now, how to balance out this idea of "non-moving transit" of someone's planets to our houses with the idea of the "planet person" feeling the effects of the focus of their plaents in the other person's house (which isn't possible in a transit)?

Maybe it comes down to "cause" and "effect".

For example, if our planets fall into someone's 4th house (home), then they may feel "at home" with us. They might invite us into their home or make it clear that they want us in their home. So we become aware of their "home" interest in us through the other person's actions. The "cause" is our planets in their 4th house and the "effect" is we notice this person is very "homey" to us.

Now, taking the same example, what if this person DOESN'T take any action on their feelings to us? Our planets fall into their 4th house but they don't WANT us in their home. Their home is too private for anyone else to come into. So we have no IDEA that they have a "home" focus on us.

To sum up, IF the person acts on how our planets are lined up in their houses, we can be aware of this focus they have on us. If they do NOT act on our planets focused in their houses, we are NOT aware of this focus they have on us.

Thinking and rethinking,

Tim

More about this approach at: http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry_house_overlays.html

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