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astroleolady
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posted April 26, 2006 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20060424/astrology_hum.html

This study was a waste of time and money in my opinion. As well all know, Sun sign astrology doesn't work. You need to read an entire chart to get a comprehensive, accurate reading of someone's personality and life.

However, there was one positive note:

"The researchers, however, leave open the question as to whether other, more detailed and personal forms of astrology hold any validity."

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pidaua
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posted April 26, 2006 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, this study would have been more relevent had they included better parameters.

For example, in the Asian cultures we do not see as large of a need to express oneself or promote individuality (that is a known fact) many people to not stray out of the norm.

Another example, they should have reviewed the personality traits from one zodiac group compared to others. Such as, do the people born between the date of November 22nd and December 21st have common traits?

Classifying date based on "neurosis / psychosis" aren't common traits.

I would have like to have a review of their survey to see what they actually asked. If one sets out to disprove something, you can see it in the questions.

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Iqhunk
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posted April 27, 2006 04:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a scientific proof of Astrological working by Carl Payne Tobey. You wont find it easily on the net but you can use it for your own research.

Over 50% of all women who have had a Hysterectomy have Mars squared Uranus in their Natal Chart.

According to probability theory, it should be only 1 in 18 or 6% for a 5 degree orb of Mars sq Uranus.

Other proofs ar from Sydney Omarr who uses a World Breath time based on Lunar postions. Linda and other astrologers failed to convince scientists to study these evidences.

Scientists are trained to disbelieve anything outside their curriculum. Why are most great inventors without any university degree?

Richard Leakey refused to read
"Forbidden Archaeology", a book that gives startling evidences about the existence of Mankind way beyond the theory of Evolution
and exposes the scientific duplicity.

Many scientists refuse to accept the Intelligent Design theories just because Christian fundamentalists want to appropriate this theory.

Astrology was good enough for Newton, Copernicus, Kepler and Brahe. Hence it is good enough for everyone with an independent brain.

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WaterNymph
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posted April 27, 2006 06:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They were only looking at Sun signs? Agree with pidaua about cultures.

But, how much of a person’s chart should they consider. Because many charts, if not all, can be contradicting. So do you consider the Sun & Moon? Sun, Moon and Asc? Inner planets only? Tight aspects, houses? It’s very confusing…

What do they need to compare to find a correlation? Perhaps this is where astrologers may differ.

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mysticaldream
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posted April 27, 2006 08:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting, IQ.
I am going to look this guy up, where did you get your information?

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Iqhunk
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posted April 27, 2006 10:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I still know my internet tricks Mystical!
Let me send you his correspondence course notes. I could get only text though and some chapters were missing.

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astro junkie
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posted April 27, 2006 10:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at it this way... they can't debunk something which doesn't exist.

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pidaua
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posted April 28, 2006 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iq:

Scientists are trained to disbelieve anything outside their curriculum. Why are most great inventors without any university degree?


Where is your proof? Have you conducted a survey on the beliefs held by scientists or those in the scientific community? Seems to me that you are just as guilty as the scientists you blast.


Now, on that note, did mean the curriculum as a course of study (i.e. a biologist will never believe anything that is not biology so chemistry and physics is out?) Or do you mean that when we go through our scientific training we are taught to disbelieve anything that is not science related? That would be as narrowminded as assuming all astrologers are taught to disbelieve anything that is not in the realm of astrology- yet we see many of those that are well versed in astrology also embracing religions, shamanism, tarot.etc....

I know many of my colleagues that believe in other events. Some believe in astrology, some in Hindu, Taoism and some in metaphysics. Some are active Catholics, medicine men / women - etc....

Science teaches us that we want to DISPROVE OUR theories in order to show proof. We set up an experiment to test one event or to disprove that event. For example, I wanted to use a specific substance in a petri dish to see if it would selectively or non-selective grow bacteria.

Although I would have loved for it to be selective, it wasn't - therefore I disproved my initial hypothesis.

Lumping all scientists as you did was not what I would have expected from someone that is open to various ways of thinking and is quite disappointing.

I can tell that you have something against those with University Degrees as you have made several statements degrading those of us that have made it through higher education. I am sorry that you feel that way- but for some of us, to do what we love to do we had to go to school.

Would you allow your surgeon to perform an appendectomy if he / she had only read about the procedure and studied it on his or her own? LOL..

In some cases, those famous inventors did not have the formal education that we have today and they had hundreds of failed experiments before they hit pay-dirt. What we now call a BA / BS or Masters or PhD was different back in the day.

Even some countries have different methods. In India a person can go from what we call "High School" into their vocational field (Veterinary Medicine). In our system, one must complete a BA / BS then go on to graduate school in order to obtain the DVM. That means 6-8 years of schooling AFTER graduating from High school.

It is disheartening how many people resent those that went to school and yet there are many people like me that feel the degree was a means to an end. I know many brilliant people that did not have the chance to go to college / university and I know many dumba$$es that graduated and still don't know their butts from a hole in the ground. I could careless if someone has a degree, however, I do care if they successfully articulate a point in some areas of discussions.

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daydream32
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posted April 28, 2006 07:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well......in that report it seems like they are judging people by their sun signs...which is not very accurate. You can never judge someone just by one planet, you really have to look at everything.

Thats why I just ignore reports like that.

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sun/mercury in taurus, moon in leo, scorpio rising, venus/mars in pisces

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Iqhunk
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posted May 01, 2006 04:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for touching a raw nerve Pid but as usual, your training prevents you from ever "getting" higher wisdom and one rhetorical sentence is enough to blow your fuse.

I have a Masters from UIUC. I can get PhDs if I choose to. Will it help me in anyway evolve my soul ? Speaking of practicality, Edison had over 1000 patents.
Bill Gates, Ellison et al are drop outs.
If you add all the billionaires in history, not many had Masters degrees from reputed schools. Most "pundits" salivated at the feet of the king.

The truth is not the degree or non-degree but the WAY TO THINK.
The true way to think comes from getting in touch with the chakras. If all the scientists investigated Astrology, karma and chakras using scientific methods of evaluation that need objective measurement, they wont find a thing and will consider this knowledge as mumbo-jubo.

The duty of those who "know" is to encourage as many to learn as possible. The odd satire and rudeness to scientists DOES help in encouraging those who cannot get costly degrees to pursue the true knowledge.

Do I have proof for it? Yes. Can it pass muster "scientifically"? No, it is a subjective proof.

Actuality, Reality, Objectivity, Subjectivity.. whatever it be, only one who lets go of ego, can "see" the truth.

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pidaua
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posted May 01, 2006 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh... I see iq, when you can't find a valid argument you immediately attack my education and call me "unable to grasp the higher meaning do to my training".

Yet, you don't even know me. You have no idea the line I decend from or what I do in my own spiritual life. Instead you make a judgment based on the fact that I am educated or based on the fact that you are not formerly educated so you have to be better spiritually.

That doesn't play Iq. That is a very similar technique employed by those that don't have much in the form of substance regarding a debate or argument. To flippantly indicate that "I just don't get it due to my training" is ludicrous. Are you telling me that when someone undergoes formal scientific training they are not longer spiritual? Do we not have the ability to grasp spiritual meanings, perform ceremonies or live as a dreamer?

You might want to pose some of those questions in Astral Realms and find out what the consenses is concerning some of those abilities you think I lack.

But.. you won't because you would much rather play this game. You've had a problem with me since I pointed out your anti-American rhetoric months ago.

Have fun in your wonderfully, enlighted, spiritual wonderland.

Oh and again.... let's look at the formal training, the education of the time. etc...

PS.. Using Bill Gates and Thomas Edison as an example is SOOOOO...overdone. For every Bill Gates there are millions of people that will never have the ability to invent anything worthwhile. Using the above mentioned is something done quite often by those that are against formal education in order to either a) justify why they shouldn't get one or b) influence others into thinking education is not important.

As I have stated before, my education was a means to an end. Tell me more about your advanced degrees? I would love to know how you can degrade those with scientific training when you yourself hold degrees. Let us also keep in mind that my initial comment was in regards to blasting the scientists for not constructing a proper study. YOU lumped scientist together (pretty narrow-minded for someone that prides himself on being oh so plugged in to the universe)

I look forward to your enlightened comments.

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