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DayDreamer
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posted April 29, 2006 03:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a real problem for me. Can anyone help explain why I am the way I am.

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Full-fifthhouse-loulou
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posted April 29, 2006 03:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know anything about you Daydreamer m'love but maybe you are depressed.
Depression can manifest itself in this way. You sleep lots but you are eternally tired and you pick up every illness passing.

I was this way when I'd had my son and was only 20 years old, living totally alone, very tired and feeling lost. Looking back I beleive I was depressed.

Lots of love to you, I hope you have someone you can turn to, other than on here

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DayDreamer
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posted April 29, 2006 03:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your reply.

Hmmm depression I dont think explains why Im sick and tired because Im don't believe I'm depressed. I don't sleep my days away but I am eternally tired.

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DayDreamer
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posted April 29, 2006 04:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I am just an empty well and I can ask away for help and advice but none of that will help...

Ive got Saturn singleton forming a T-square with Moon and Neptune. Marilyn Monroe had the same aspect.

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posted April 29, 2006 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marilyn Monroe couldn't sleep and felt utterly alone. If you lexi her name you can make alone, lonely, loner...... She was often depressed...tired....sick..... She belonged to the world yet felt unloved.
Sorry to hear this Daydreamer......

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DayDreamer
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posted April 29, 2006 04:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah well. If Im depressed how on earth do I get over this?

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Azalaksh
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posted April 29, 2006 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi sweetie

How's your diet?? Some people are more sensitive than others to ingredients in processed foods. I think HD put up a thread awhile back (check FFA) about Food And Mood.....

Here's some stuff I put up for Swerve:

Your comment about St Johns Wort giving you immediate relief prompted me to check my “Prescription for Herbal Healing” reference book by Phyllis Balch. She recommends taking the SJW regularly for a minimum of 10 days to 2 weeks to see actual results for you as an individual. Here are some of her recommendations:

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Keep cholesterol levels as close to normal as possible – low cholesterol levels are very strongly associated with anxiety and depression.

Supplement your diet with Omega-3 fatty acids. Fish Oil and Flaxseed Oil can fill this need, also cold-water fish (salmon, tuna, mackerel). Borage or evening primrose oil is also helpful.

Take 200mcg of chromium twice daily, and 500mg of vanadium once daily, both with a meal. These minerals assist in regulating blood-sugar levels and ensure a constant supply of glucose to the brain.

Take 6 to 12 grams of inositol daily in 2 or 3 doses. This substance is a building block for chemicals that cause nerve-transmissions to activate brain cells.

Take 300mg of phosphatidylserine daily. The brain depends on this compound more than any other cholesterol-based compound making up the lining of cells. It enables brain cells to use glucose efficiently and to capture and release neurotransmitters. It also protects cells from free radicals released when circulation to the brain is disturbed.

Ask your doctor or pharmacist about SAMe (s-adenosylmethionine) – it’s a rapid, effective antidepressant with very few side effects. It acts by protecting brain cells against the effects of inflammation, and by increasing concentrations of the neurotransmitters serotonin and norepinephrine. Dosage must be set by a health-care professional.

Get at least 20 minutes of sun exposure each day. Spending time in the sun slows the rate at which the brain breaks down serotonin. The brain equates spending time in dark places with sleep, for which less serotonin is needed.

NEVER use a full-spectrum light-therapy box when taking khella, psoralea or St Johns Wort. These herbs may sensitize the retina to bright light and raise the risk of ocular damage from using the box.

Avoid [a long list of stuff including coffee, cocaine, sleeping pills, alcohol, etc]. Also avoid nasal decongestants containing phenylpropanolamine, which has been known to induce psychiatric crises in people with depression or other mood disorders. Avoid processed foods. Avoid diet sodas and anything containing aspartame (Nutrasweet, Equal). This additive can block the formation of serotonin and cause headaches, insomnia and depression in individuals who are already serotonin-deprived.

If you are nervous and wish to become more relaxed, consume more complex carbohydrates. For increased alertness, eat protein-based meals containing essential fatty acids. If you need your spirits lifted, eat foods like turkey or salmon, which are high in tryptophan and protein.

[The SSRI’s don’t sound like your ticket to feeling better – they keep nerve cells from absorbing serotonin, which keeps more serotonin in the gaps between nerve cells. SSRI’s can cause wild dreams, hallucinations, and aggressive behavior, amongst a litany of other items such as sexual dysfunction, nausea, headaches and insomnia.]

The discovery of the relationship between tryptophan and serotonin led to the beginning of an understanding of the relationship between food and mood. Tryptophan enters the brain more readily if blood-sugar levels are high. When the extra tryptophan reaches the brain, it is turned into serotonin that stops depression.

Naturopathic medicine links depression to a shortage of a vitaminlike compound called tetrahydrobiopterin (BH4). This compound is needed for the creation of several neurotransmitters. Although BH4 is not available as a nutritional supplement, Vitamin C, folic acid, and vitamin B12 (cobalamin) stimulate the body’s production of BH4. B-vitamins are also known to increase the effectiveness of tricyclic antidepressants.

Acupuncture is as effective as the MAO-inhibitors in controlling depression, but without the side effects……

Seasonal Attitude Disorder (SAD) is a condition in which the body is not exposed to enough sunlight to maintain normal levels of serotonin……

People with depression are more likely than other people to have various disturbances in calcium metabolism. People who smoke are more likely than non-smokers to be depressed. Steroid drugs may cause serotonin levels in the brain to drop.


I take 1000mg of Fish Oil, containing 180mg of EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) plus 1000mg of Flaxseed Oil (Omega-3 alphalinoleic acid, Omega-6 linoleic acid, Omega-9 oleic acid) plus 800iu of Vitamin E every morning in the winter when the days are shorter and we’re inside almost exclusively.

There's the old standby's like pampering yourself (long baths surrounded by scented candles, mmmmm), shopping , listening to music you love, self-expression (painting or whatever art gives you pleasure) or helping someone else out.
Keep us posted on how you're doing, hon, OK??

{{ love & big squeezy hugs }}

Zala

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astro junkie
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posted April 29, 2006 10:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How far would you say you walked and/or jogged on average each week? Let's see what your metabolism looks like ...

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DayDreamer
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posted April 30, 2006 12:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the info Zala.

My diet? Not much out of the ordinary. Though I have been consuming more carbohydrates for the past month...because my body feels sapped of energy from more than normal stress and responsibility at work and lack of sleep. When Im stressed and not sleeping everything falls apart too like my diet, general well being, social life and quality of work...and its difficult to catch up.

Going through the list...

Never tried St. Johns Wort before...kinda scared to try it. Any side effect? I'll have to do some research on it before I think about using it

Last time I got blood work done, which was in 2005, everything, was normal, except my red blood cell count was low. That is normal for me though.

I love fish and get my omega-3's from tuna and salmon, an enriched eggs.

I've got a bottle of chromium...take it on occasion. I'll start taking it daily.

Inositol is in my multivitamin, it think. Doubt I get as much as she recommends. I'll look for the other compounds as well.

Sun exposure...Im getting more of now that the days are longer. I didn't know that the sun slows down the rate serotonin is broken down. I basically live in a basement..not good...I can be oblivious to my surroundings.

I have been taking antihistamines and sinus and decongestion medication everyday for the past month. Nothing with phenylpropanolamine. My problem may have to do with not getting enough oxygen to the brain because Ive been stuffed up and congested.

I could do with more complex carbs instead of the simpler forms. So I gotta up my seratonin and tryptophan levels. I take vitB complex and vit C daily.

With accupunctureone visit isn't enough, it's something Id have to get done regulalry right?

I have been cutting out milk, because it was worsening my congestion. I read somewhere that Saturn transits are hard on the bones, so I should be taking more calcium.

Oh I went for a massage...thought it would make me feel better. Nope. It was a swedish massage...little did I know how many knots I had. The next day I felt like I did a major weight training session. Well this evening I got out of the house. Got some fresh air to help clear my head.

AJ, not as much as I should be. Right now the only time I run is when Im getting late for work. My metabolism is ok. I think my brain is what's burning all the calories though. Don't you have Saturn opposing your moon too?...how do you deal with it?

You know I think I sound more bubbly and positive than I feel. My Mercury/MC exactly opposes Jupiter. But then again I have an afflicted Pisces Moon, so ya know what that means.

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maroon_flower
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posted April 30, 2006 11:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi daydreamer,

it might be good to do a full medical check...or atleast a blood workup - esp to look for any low hemoglobin, low WBC or even thyroid disorders. There's also a condition called myastenia gravis.. may help to ask ur clinician about it.

Yea, stress can also cause one to feel out of sorts..but, on the whole.. i reckon anemia (low red blood cells/hemoglobin) is usually the culprit.
It helps to take lotsa Vitamin C and have a good nights sleep !!!

Sometimes, I find good bubbly music fairly therapeutic. Hoping you will soon regain ur strengths... take care,

Peace & love,
Alexandra

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Anita41
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posted April 30, 2006 02:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Azalaksh, when you write here about inositol and those other phosphatidylserine stuff,
I wonder, you say you can take 6 to 12 grams a day with inositol that is, and the thing is, I recently started taking lecithin, that comes in 1200mgs a pill, it says I can take 1 to 3 pills a day. It contains inositol and phosphatidylserine and colin, but Im not sure how much, and since that is only 1200mg, do you know if its safe to take like 3-5 pills of lecithin daily for me?
I already feel alot better in my mood and clearer thinking. But I wish to get as much info as possible on lecithin and its not that much out there.

Thanks

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Azalaksh
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posted April 30, 2006 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anita ~

There's a section on soy lecithin in the book I quoted from above -- if you can, check it out of your library, or even buy it, I find it well worth the price.....

And I'm not any kind of herbal specialist, just happen to have interesting books like a proper Libra

I suggest both of you (DD too) post over in the Health & Healing forum instead of here at the Astrology forum -- you'd probably get a lot more useful info from people who have much more in-depth knowledge.....

Zala

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posted April 30, 2006 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My first sense when I read the thread title was change or make some additions to your diet. Stress from work (and life in general) is going to sap your energy unless you get a break. Are you able to schedule some time off?

Be sure to feed your body with plenty of nourishment. Foods that are fresh. Lack of iron might also be an issue. If you like this type of thing, try this for a boost. Throw into a juicer: 1 raw beet, peeled & chopped, 1 red apple, sliced, 1 handful of fresh parsely, including stems & 2 fresh carrots, with the skins & chopped. This juice will give you energy and make you feel good. If you don't have a juicer, throw it in a blender and add some orange or apple juice to thin out and strain into a glass.

'Zala - I your big squeezy hugs


Laura

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Scorpio3x
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posted April 30, 2006 10:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Daydreamer. If you live in a basement apartment, you should definitely have your apartment tested for Radon and other gases that are emitted from the ground and concentrate in the lower levels of dwellings. Also mold could be present. This could cause problems. Call the local health dept or a someone who does house inspections for realtors when they sell houses. I am a realtor and Radon testing is very important. If your apartment has radon all you will have to do to cure the problem is make sure it is well ventillated. but if I were you, I would move.

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mars446
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posted April 30, 2006 11:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, how much caffeine do you consume each day?

That includes chocolate, medications w/ caffeine in them (yes, including exedrine...however u spell it), sodas, coffee, tea...etc.

Personally, I had this problem where I consumed so much of these things that it zapped my energy and sleep. Realize if you slowly get off of those things, you will find that you're getting better and deeper sleep like those times when you had good sleep. Moreover, when u consume caffeine, it makes the body release more blood sugar than what is needed. Not only that...it increases the level of fats in your body, because it makes the body break down lots of fats (look for lipolysis). So when you stop drinking caffeine, you feel zapped, and then need to get instant energy, so you drink more caffeine. I'm not saying to stop drinking caffeine, but minimize the amount, b/c you can get easily addicted, and people don't think that its a drug. Moreover, if you're in a demanding job, ppl don't really care how the job can affect your health, they just want you to do that job.

Basically, as you read both articles (and I highly suggest that you should), you will see that caffeine causes headaches, restlessness, depression, and other ailments that you didn't think it would have on you.
http://staff.washington.edu/chudler/caff.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine

Don't mean to scare you, but I realized that cutting down on this stuff helps out a lot w/ getting out of depression, and try not to drink it (if ur a girl) when you have your period (I heard that you get nastier cramps when you take caffeine).

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DayDreamer
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posted April 30, 2006 11:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maroon_flower, my low RBC or Hb count is probably one major culprit (don't have low WBC, or any thyroid problems, and don't suffer from myasthenia gravis or muscle weakness fortunately). Definitely would benefit from a good nights sleep, if I can only get to sleep earlier. And music has a huge influence on my mood (or pisces moon)...if I listen to gloomy music I get easily depressed. And bubbly music does work like magick on me. Was just listening to this new Shakira song, hips don't lie...one of those songs that you just have to get up and dance to.

Anita, if I find something myself Ill post it in Health & Healing.

Zala, yeah I just dont want to talk about this anymore...Im feeling better today. Is there a way to get this thread out of here, into the Health & Healing section?

BlueTopaz, I have the weekends off, and usually tons of work to bring home with me. I also need a vacation away from my family.

I just bought a juicer last month...will have to buy some beets (are they rich in iron?)

Scorpio3x, radon and other gases from the concrete??? shoot. And I'm right next to the furnace room too. Maybe I should just move out. Dont need a health inspector to tell me how dangerous my living situation is. Well now that the weather's warmer I'll leave my basement window open.

Thanks guys

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DayDreamer
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posted April 30, 2006 11:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars, sorry I didn't see your post when I was replying. Hmmm caffeine isnt normally a problem for me, until I begin to start sleeping less. That's when I start drinking coffee, and probably the worst time too. Id be asleep at my desk without it. Not drinking it daily anymore. Yup it does cause all those things, headaches, restlesness, etc when I get into the habit...Im very sensitive to caffeine. So Ive switched to tea...drink about 2-3 cups a day. Yuck, coke must be the worst drink on earth then..caffeine, carbon dioxide, chemicals and sugar! Thanks for linking me up with those websites...very informative.

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posted May 01, 2006 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio3x does have a good point, we had that problem 3 or 4 years ago. There was gases being emitted from the basement of my mother's house and up into the rest of the house. We kept wondering why we would all go to bed so early (as early as 6pm). And we would still have trouble waking up in the morning. It wasn't until someone told my mother to get the whole house checked out that an inspector found the problem in our basement.

However there could be many other possibilities, like stress. Talk to your doctor about it.

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Valeri Horne
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posted May 01, 2006 09:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recommend you picking up the book by Dr. Robert O. Young and Shelley Redford Young calle d Sick and Tired?

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Scorpio3x
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posted May 01, 2006 11:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DAYDREAMER. Yes the gases come up thru the concrete from the ground below. Please believe me on this. I am in real estate and deal with this all the time. I had a deal fall thru on a house because the radon levels were too high coming thru the floor in a beautifully furnished lower level basement family room. My customer took back their deposit on the house when they saw the test levels. Moving will be a good idea. Above ground please.

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mars446
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posted May 01, 2006 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem... hope whatever it was that was bothering you goes away


They really should change that green smiley face, I feel like i'm some type of freak smiling w/ my teeth exposed. Make it yellow...at least it wouldn't seem that the smiley is associated w/ sickness and smiling too (i get the green face = sickness from those cartoons where people get sea sick).

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Happy Dragon
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posted May 01, 2006 12:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mars446 re: the caffiene ..
Scorpio3x re : below ground residences ..
here in the u.k. much of the heating is gas fueled .. and just about every year there be a news item how someone has succumbed to carbon monoxide poisoning .. either realy sick .. sometimes for years .. or at worst .. death .. .. be normaly down to a faulty exhaust vent system (blocked flue) .. .. .. signs be headaches .. depression .. nausea .. dizziness ..
btw: carbon monoxide alarms should be available (like smoke alarms) ..
.. they are in the u.k. .. ..
i think that burning oil as a fuel may also give off similar emissions ..
and .. carbon monoxide .. .. one cannot smell it ..
testing via a hand held sensor should be possible ..
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Anita41
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posted May 01, 2006 02:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Daydreamer,
I was thinking allergy. You said you are taking antihistamines?
They make you so sleepy you feel like sleepwalking.
Maybe there is something in your home that you are allergic to.

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astro junkie
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posted May 04, 2006 12:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DayDreamer -

I always try to remember how nature uplifts me when I take the time. I'm more able to get in touch with my body (and self), and the fresh air - - well - - is it smog? What's it like outside? Get as detailed as you want.

Hopefully you don't feel guilty for my having asked. I'm thinking you consider your afflicted Pisces Moon as a "so ya know what that means" ...

... hee hee ...

... means that since it is afflicted, it has taken on the more negative side of Pisces. You MAY be going down-stream too much. If you sound or appear to be more bubbly and positive than you really feel, you have to ask how many barricades you will need. I'm getting that wishy-washy Pisces Moon. But refresh your memory of what is considered the negative side of Pisces. There may be some keywords you've overlooked which have something relating more to your present emotions.

When you are going UP-stream, you are continually reminded that you must maintain yourself. But if you are unable to share any pain, I hate to say what it must be like.

As for your question on how I deal with my Moon/Saturn Opposition, it doesn't help me burn more calories!!

... just imagine what a native must have concluded about themselves while having a lack of astrological feedback. That's probably how you really feel. The part that's not saying anything back IS the most frustrating.

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hot_ice
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posted May 04, 2006 12:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont know...maybe you should get a few buddys and go out...or the best thing you could do is work out,or even better,Play some sport with people you know,makes you feel soooo good.

I feel this way when I dont do anything physical for a few days,goto sleep and get up tired....or some times my sleep is very disturbed...

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