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Topic: Lioneye68, I Need Your Help
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paras unregistered
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posted May 20, 2006 12:43 AM
Hey, lovely Lioness! I'm doing chart interpretations again. And you know I want to do it well. I seem to be, but I'm not very fast. It's slow, difficult going putting together the pieces of the puzzle that is another person's psyche. And one of the pieces I have the hardest time figuring is someone's childhood and family relations. You seem quite good at this, in fact, it seems to be your area of expertise! Could you teach me some of your tricks? You seem to interpret mainly through the houses, and that's another area I'm a bit weak in. So, houses, childhood, family relations... yeah. Share some of your wisdom? Pretty please? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4416 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 20, 2006 12:54 AM
Sounds good.IP: Logged |
Kamilla unregistered
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posted May 20, 2006 07:45 AM
I would love to hear it too IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 20, 2006 03:16 PM
Hi, Paras - Wow, dude I feel like you're giving me far too much credit! - Although family connections in the natal chart are certainly an area of Astrology that fascinates me. Therefore, I would be happy to take a look at the chart you're working on, and explain what I see & why.So, let's have a looky-loo then, shall we? IP: Logged |
paras unregistered
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posted May 21, 2006 09:18 AM
Lioneye,Thank you! I appreciate the offer to look at the chart, and I would greatly value your perspective on it; however, did you understand that my previous post was not a request to look at a specific chart? I want you to teach me. I want to know how you come up with the startling observations you do. I know I'm capable -- according to some people, I come up with some pretty accurate observations myself! But so far I'm a dud with family connections, and they would help me so much in interpreting a chart, as I'm already well-versed in psychology. If I knew what kind of a home the native came from, I could reason psychologically as well as astrologically, and each mode of perception would enhance the clarity of the other. Also, on a more personal note: I lost your e-mail address sometime in the year I was without Internet access, due to a reformat. Now I keep all my e-mail addresses in a text file on my backup drive, so I won't lose them again, for any reason. I have been biting my tongue, not wanting to ask you for it again; I figured since I've posted mine several times in recent weeks, those who haven't responded aren't interested in speaking to me outside this forum. If that's the case, that's perfectly okay. If that's not the case, well, e-mail me and let me know! Or look me up on Yahoo Messenger. I miss talking with you, something I never got to do enough of in the first place. I love your positive vibe. Anyhoo, here's the chart: Placidus Houses Tropical Zodiac Major Aspects (6-degree orb) Sun sextile Moon Sun square Jupiter Sun trine Uranus Sun opposite Neptune Sun opposite Ascendant Sun trine Midheaven Sun sextile Chiron Moon trine Ascendant Moon opposite Part of Fortune Moon conjunct Chiron Mercury sextile Jupiter Mercury sextile Saturn Mercury square Uranus Mercury square Pluto Mercury square Midheaven Mercury trine South Node Venus square Jupiter Venus trine Uranus Venus opposite Neptune Venus trine Pluto Venus trine Midheaven Mars opposite Ascendant Mars trine Part of Fortune Jupiter square Neptune Saturn conjunct North Node Saturn opposite South Node Uranus sextile Neptune Uranus conjunct Pluto Uranus conjunct Midheaven Neptune sextile Midheaven Ascendant sextile Part of Fortune Ascendant trine Chiron ------------------ Here's the interps I can't fit into the big picture of this person's life: Chiron in Aries In Aries or the first house, the sense of self has been violated in some way, manifesting in feelings of worthlessness, and/or that nothing is ever quite good enough. Some cope with their early wounds by withdrawing, others over-compensate aggressively. Chiron in 4th House Here, the wound is connected with our early mothering and basic security needs. We feel as if it is a bottomless pit that no amount of love can fill. The feeling of being unwanted, unloved, not nurtured or not looked after. You are constantly trying to rescue the unloved within you and because you are very sensitive to other's pain, in the world at large. North Node in Aries The relationship established with parents early in life is more important in these Nodes than in any other position of the zodiac. Here the individual will spend much of his life energy attempting to be totally free and independent of his parents, yet always conscious of hiw much he needs them. Nevertheless, the reaction patterns to life continue to show a definite parental defiance, masking a strong need for parental love. Many with these Nodes have one unusually demanding parent whose expectations encourage them to believe that they are truly destined to achieve a position of sitting on top of the world. As a result, they are discontented with whatever situation they are in, for always it falls short of what they feel they were meant to do. ...I'm having a hard time understanding this, and how it relates to the person's karmic mission in this lifetime, which is "know thyself". All I know for sure and can tell you is that she was adopted, had a good relationship with the adopted father but not the adopted mother, and is currently communicating with her genetic mother. Any help clarifying this would be greatly appreciated! Oh, and anything else you see that I might miss. Thanks Again, and Love and Light, Paras ------------------ Can you imagine a world in which each person understood that his only responsibility was to give and receive love? E-Mail: paras_nimh@myway.com MySpace: Paras' Profile Yahoo! Messenger: parasnimh IRC: Undernet / #wonderland IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 21, 2006 11:48 PM
Hi, Paras - Thank you for your kind words. I enjoyed talking with you too, and sure we can probably do that again sometime. I try not to spend too much time on the computer these days, as I'm on it all day at work - and I can't really chat on my work computer. I don't think they'd appreciate that lol...I understood that you wanted some tips on how to read the family connections, but I figured the best way to do it would be to have a chart to use as an example, so why not the one you're working on? I'll tell you what I see, then I'll explain where I see it, k? The first thing that popped into my head was that this person harbours some emotional wounds related to their mother. See how Chiron is closely conjunct the moon? It's also located in the moon's natural house, the 4th, so these wounds go right to the very seat of her soul and likely happened in her family home during her formative years. -whoops- company is here. Sorry, Paras -I'll add more in a while. Stay tuned! IP: Logged |
paras unregistered
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posted May 22, 2006 01:18 AM
No worries, Lioneye... I'm likely to be up for a while, anyway. IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 22, 2006 02:34 PM
*d/p* why does that keep happening?IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 22, 2006 02:36 PM
Ok, here's how I approach it. I look first and foremost at the personal planets. Each personal planet is said to represent specific family members. Moon - mom Sun - dad Mercury - siblings Ascendant - the chart native Chiron - where the native has an emotional wound. Saturn is representive of a stern person - could be mom, or dad, or grandpa, or mother superior at the orphanage. But, they represent somebody stern and somewhat unyielding. Jupiter is representative of someone encouraging, someone who believes in us and maybe spoils us a little. Venus represents a feminine energy Mars represents a male energy Next I look at which planets are forming aspects between each other The relationship between the sun and the moon is indicative of the relationship between one's mom & dad. In this chart, they form a sextile, so that means this person saw the relationship between mom & dad as being basically supportive and positive, although with some marked differences between the two. But the differences for the most part are complimentary rather than friction causing. In addition to the Chiron/moon conjunction mentioned earlier, Saturn is also in the 4th house, which is ruled by the moon, and contains the moon. Mom was definately the authority figure at home, and although she probably was big on tradition, she may not have made home feel very warm and welcoming. But, the moon forms a decent trine to the ascendant, in independant Sagittarius - so, mom's influence feeds nicely into the native's ability to be independant and philisophical. For siblings, I look first at Mercury. In this chart, Mercury is sharing the 7th house with Mars. That would indicate a brother. Mercury also sextiles Saturn, so to me that indicates an older brother (maybe 7 years older or more). The fact that it's in the 7th house indicates that this person learned much of their give and take in relationships from the relationship they had with this sibling. They may be more comfortable relating to males than females. This brother could very likely be a Virgo, or a Gemini, or significantly Mercurial. Or, there could be 2 brothers, possibly twins. (Gemini) For further insight into the sibling(s), we should look at the ruler of the 3rd house. In this chart, it's Uranus. Uranus is conjunct the MC, again indicating a sibling that had some authority over her, and maybe also a sibling that defined this person's status in the world at large. Maybe she grew up always being identified and referred to as so-and-so's sister. That's how the world seemed to know her. With Uranus being so close to the MC, she may be thought of as kind of strange and unpredictable, and/or quite independant, going to the beat of her own drum. Of course, there's always more to interpret, but how's that for starters? IP: Logged |
paras unregistered
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posted May 22, 2006 02:55 PM
How's that? How's that??How about, "f**king mind-boggling"? You make it all seem simple in retrospect -- as things often are in life -- but your ability to see it is uncanny and keen, and rather amazes me. I'll be trying to follow your example in future interpretations, and willdefinitely keep in mind the concepts you've shared. I'm getting the feeling that I need to look at the chart more basically at first, to just look at the overall patterns, and interpret simply using my own understanding of the planets/signs, before getting too mired in the details of each placement's/aspect's interpretation. Thanks so much! I'm always up for more, if you ever feel like expounding on astrology, you'll have at least an audience of one to eagerly listen and absorb it. IP: Logged |
shop22much Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 22, 2006 09:21 PM
I agree with Paras 100%...that was an amazing post Lioneye! I learned a lot in that post, thanks ------------------ give me more Love, or more disdain; the torrid, or the frozen zone bring equal ease unto my paine: the temperate affords me none; either extreme, of love or hate, is sweeter than a calme estate - thomas carew " mediocrity in love rejected" IP: Logged |
lioneye68 unregistered
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posted May 25, 2006 09:30 PM
You are so very welcome! You guys sure know how to make a kitty purr!! But, how did I do, Paras? Was any of that correct? What parts? And what parts were off? Feedback, Bay-bee - Feedback (s'il vous plait) IP: Logged | |