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breakfast on pluto
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posted May 25, 2006 12:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as my risin sag and heavily sag.effects;i hate negative situations or conservation..but sun never cover up;you know...i am scorpio sun;and scorpio can goes the best to worst..sometimes people can have bad times...for curious,can you look at my chart if there is bad aspects about depression..i have some reasons...or can you look at transit..i looked up but can not explain..i saw my chart only my sun in 12 house and my neptune conj my asc..but can it be bad...for psychological diseases ;can be said related to neptune or hard uranus aspects...

if you can say something i will be happy..thank you...
here is my chart...


Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Scorpio 27°03'29 12 direct
Moon Aries 14°19'41 04 direct
Mercury Scorpio 07°36'23 11 direct
Venus Libra 24°04'03 10 direct
Mars Sagittarius 27°51'41 01 direct
Jupiter Libra 04°10'41 09/10 direct
Jupiter is technically near the end of house 9 and is interpreted in house 10.
Saturn Libra 06°43'17 10 direct
Uranus Scorpio 25°56'00 11/12 direct
Uranus is technically near the end of house 11 and is interpreted in house 12.
Neptune Sagittarius 21°28'04 01 direct
Pluto Libra 23°02'37 10 direct
True Node Leo 14°25'54 08 retrograde


House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Sagittarius 16°31'55
2nd House Capricorn 20°53'29
3rd House Aquarius 29°54'00
Imum Coeli Aries 05°36'13
5th House Taurus 03°52'01
6th House Taurus 26°28'28
Descendant Gemini 16°31'55
8th House Cancer 20°53'29
9th House Leo 29°54'00
Medium Coeli Libra 05°36'13
11th House Scorpio 03°52'01
12th House Scorpio 26°28'28

Major aspects
Sun Sextile Jupiter 7°07
Sun Conjunction Uranus 1°07
Moon Opposition Saturn 7°36
Moon Trine Neptune 7°08
Moon Trine Ascendant 2°12
Venus Sextile Mars 3°48
Venus Sextile Neptune 2°36
Venus Conjunction Pluto 1°01
Mars Sextile Pluto 4°49
Jupiter Conjunction Saturn 2°33
Neptune Sextile Pluto 1°35
Neptune Conjunction Ascendant 4°56

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Green Fairy
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posted May 25, 2006 01:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If i am not mistaken and i am not an expert,but you seem to have quite a few placements in the 12th House.
Isn't Neptune associated with -let's say- melancoly?

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breakfast on pluto
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posted May 25, 2006 01:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
green fiery;you are right ..neptune effects melancoly...but as you can see;i have so many fire and air elemnts..and in general their effects are can be seen from my character and you know fire and air elemnts are less exposure to pshylogical diseases.....for in what conditions what kind of people are near to that... i have some aqua friend and all of them are nearly have some problems about enviroment;love;world;loneliness..and cancer and pisces also...

is there anything about me which i can not see...of course i know myself best..but i have some reasons...

thank you...

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Green Fairy
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posted May 25, 2006 01:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this link,i think it is quite interesting
http://www.astradome.com/will_to_live.htm

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~Scorpio - Capricorn~
~Gemini - Sagittarius~

There are four astrological signs which are inherently prone to depression - Scorpio, Capricorn, Gemini and Sagittarius. These signs tend to express their problems through the symbol of depression in their own particular mode.

Sagittarius perceives life through the lenses of Jupiter-Zeus. Given the enormous range of experiences available in life, he will focus selectively on the meaningfulness of those experiences - the higher purpose. He will often not deal with the immediate negative feelings which a bad experience provokes as the negative feeling would cloud the intuitive perception of the meaning. Because of this particular way of responding to life, there is often a big backlog of difficult of emotions tucked away in the subconscious of the Sagittarian's psyche. However, he can avoid the depression of a Moon/Pluto - Venus/Saturn for many years.

Capricorn favors depression because it serves its inherent sense of guilt. It is not predisposed to see a world full of inherent meaning pointing toward some profound spiritual goal. It is the mortality of the world that Capricorn sees - its limitations, its inherent struggle, the fragile nature of life, and the extreme vulnerability of the human animal. One cannot expect grace from heaven; life is hard and one must work and struggle. Unlike Sagittarius, it does not register the inner meaning of an experience; rather it registers the experience as confirmation of the human condition. It is an embrace of immediate experience rather than an intuition of the implications of the experience and the sensation function, rather than the intuition is the primary tool of adaptation and adjustment. Capricorn's innate depression is neither pathological nor curable because it is part and parcel of the individual's vision of life.

Scorpio favors depression because it is an excellent and effective form of expressing vindictive anger while remaining relatively blameless in in the eyes of others - and also, depression keeps others out. The roots of Scorpio's depression are separation, loss, and the dilemmas of human relationship because the god who stands behind this sign is the Great Mother, who represents the unity and life-preserving drives of all instinctual life. The Scorpio personality always seeks to merge with what he /she loves, while at the same time fearing the loss of power which accompanies such merging. The trigger for Scorpio's depression is loneliness and separation.

Gemini - (Splitting is also characteristic of Gemini and Sagittarius. They will usually project the darkness outside onto other people or society or onto the body.)

Saturn & Pluto

~Key planets in the theme of depression~

Pluto is a symbol of primitive instinctual need. One hates the person one loves because that person has the power to hurt and humiliate by withdrawing. Splitting is characteristic of a Pluto-dominated person.

When faced with the complexity of ambivalent emotion, the Plutonian personality will often divide the package neatly and either the person or the world become good while the other becomes evil. Those who identify with all the blackness and ugliness in the family unwittingly carry the family shadow and those who project it onto others try to fight or convert the evil outside, typical of the religious in the world. Scorpio and Capricorn usually identify with the darkness.

Saturn, on the other hand, has much to do with the realistic acceptance of human limitation. It has the capacity to face and tolerate the ambivalent nature of the world and of oneself.

Although Saturn and Pluto are planets which seem to be responsible for an individual's dark state, their gifts are paradoxically also the cure. Saturn offers a serene acceptance of reality and a compassionate recognition of one's limits, and a capacity to contain one's difficult experiences without being torn apart by them. Pluto helps one to face one's own darkness, fate, and relinquish the attempt to control life and trust the inner 'Other" that intelligently unfolds one's path in life despite oneself.

Astrological Aspects:

Sun or Moon conjunct, square, or opposing Saturn or Pluto. When there is a hard Moon aspect to Pluto, it is possible for the individual to carry the parent's depression. The children of depressed mothers often themselves suffer from depression. If the mother is constantly in a state of despair, the child will be infected by this. The personal mother is the mediator of the archetypal mother for her child and if she is wandering blind and despairing in the dark, then she will inadvertently mediate only the Dark Mother - an experience of life which is negative, hopeless, bitter, and bleak. The depression is always present with most people who have difficult Moon/Pluto aspects but it is generally unconscious except when it erupts in the form of black moods or physical symptoms. Many people describe their mothers as "cold" but Pluto is never cold. It can be vindictive and make the family suffer because she has been so humiliated through the denial of her emotional needs - but it does not mean she was unloving. It helps to look more honestly at the mother - not to blame her - but to see what may have lurked beneath her surface. She may not have been the strong, self-sacrificing person one thought, but she may have been deeply bitter and despairing, or perhaps even at the edge of a breakdown. She may have been emotionally starving and turned to her child for solace from her unhappiness - which means turning the child into the mother. Many people suffer from this "role reversal." Unfortunately, before true understanding and compassion has been achieved, the child remains angry, outraged and feels the pain of abandonment. He/she has not been mothered.

Saturn aspects are responsible for feelings of not being loved or accepted. Usually love is given conditionally.

Mars conjunct, square, or opposing Saturn or Pluto

A blocked Mars results in a feeling of impotence and victimization. There is great unconscious rage which can express itself in a variety of ways including rage against oneself as well as the world outside. Difficult Mars aspects are known for being "accident prone". Migraine headaches and colitis may be health issues. Chronic depression is suspect when an individual feels a profound sense of impotence, frustration and rage, generated by the feeling that one has no capacity for choice, nor power over one's own life. Many people dissociate from this kind of deep depression and find escape routes such as compulsive work, large doses of TV, sex, alcohol or tranquillizers when the repressed blackness threatens to break through into conscious awareness.

Saturn positioned in the 4th, 8th, or 12th

Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces and their corresponding houses 4th, 8th, & 12th - are directly concerned with emotion and with motivations which lie below the surface of consciousness. Saturn in these houses is extremely elusive because the average individual is rarely aware of the unconscious emotional frustration which lies behind his actions. He only knows that he is isolated and emotionally vulnerable - if he knows this much. Saturn is typical of the pain that finds its way to the therapist's couch for often an objective viewpoint is needed to help guide the person through the mazes of his own feeling nature.

Venus conjunct, square, or opposing Saturn

Venus in difficult aspect to Saturn is one of the astrological symbols of a lonely and emotionally deprived childhood and of feelings of being unloved, unlovable and isolated. Because there has been an emotional withholding or deprivation of some kind in the family background early in life, the individual will probably not be able to separate from the parents as it is impossible to separate from that which a person has never had. It is a stuck place and before the "depressive position" of a separate individuality can be reached, Venus-Saturn contacts must be worked with on a deep level as the individual will repeatedly seek a kind of perfect and un-conditionally loving parent in every adult relationship - and then be disappointed, rejected, and bitter when the lover or spouse doesn't fill the bill. Inside, the individual is still a lonely, emotionally hungry child who cannot let go of the dream of unconditional parental love, and who is full of rage against life.

Moon/Jupiter - Strong Moon-Jupiter contacts in juxtaposition to a severely depressed person with Venus/Saturn or Sun/Pluto contacts alongside tend to idealize life; the split runs the other way, and the individual projects all the bad outside and identifies with a wonderful mythic world where he/she is the divine child of the gods and is entitled to special exemptions from the usual rubbish which lesser mortals have to put up with in life. This can be a rather manic pattern.

Sun/Neptune, Moon/Neptune & Venus/Neptune

Neptune, even more than Jupiter, seeks an ideal state of existence. The gap is too great between the individual's longing and the inner and outer reality which he/she meets in life and the abyss in between is the depression.

Moon/Mars - Anger and Willfulness

This aspect is symbolic of a very powerful desire nature which does not like being thwarted. The individual is not angry as long as he/she gets at least some of what he/she wants. The Moon reflects an individual's instinctual needs while Mars reflects aggression and desire. If they are aspecting each other, it is symbolic of a very insatiable appetite. Moon/Mars is a statement of willfulness and anger which if repressed, will lead to depression.

Depression is like a flag being hoisted by the unconscious, making a statement:

Look - there is something inside that needs to be felt and experienced and you are not dealing with it so here is a flag - a depression.

Pay attention to it instead of running away from it.


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breakfast on pluto
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posted May 25, 2006 02:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greenfiery...thank you..that is great really..and i saw that my venüs and saturn libra conjuct ...thank you again..

take care...

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Hexxie
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posted May 25, 2006 02:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oopsies! trigger happy

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breakfast on pluto
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posted May 25, 2006 02:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greenfiery...thank you..that is great really..and i saw that my venüs and saturn libra conjuct ...thank you again..

take care...

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Hexxie
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posted May 25, 2006 02:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL once again!

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Hexxie
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posted May 25, 2006 02:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
3rd time's a charm....

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Hexxie
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posted May 25, 2006 02:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeh've got your Moon in the 4th opposite Saturn in the 10th which can = emotional depression. Jupiter conj Saturn too, but in this case I am mainly looking at Saturn. Jupiter may tend to 'expand' the Saturnine instincts of responsibility which in turn might tend to cut you off from your emotions/intuition if you let it. Due to the houses I would venture to say that the energy pulls would be between your innermost private life / your past and the opposite which is outter most public life / environment (i.e. career).

I myself have the natal Saturn - Moon opposition and it is quite challenging! On a good day it has made me realize I usually love a challenge. On a bad day I feel like i'm invisible and depressed!

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

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breakfast on pluto
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posted May 25, 2006 03:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hexiie that is right too..saturn-moon opposition is also terrible..and i think my carrier ambition make me depressed and sick..i have so many 10 th house..

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Q
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posted May 25, 2006 03:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Out of curiosity, do you all have any advice to help with coping with Saturn opposition Moon? Thanks

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wilsontc
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posted May 25, 2006 04:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hexxie,

The new image on your signature looks great!

Another Lewis Carroll fan,

Tim

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redbubblesbleed
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posted May 25, 2006 07:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Green Fairy
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posted May 25, 2006 07:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Q:

Patience?

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breakfast on pluto
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posted May 26, 2006 10:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
saturn opps moon makes me crazy..i have floaty feelings..sometimes i can not patience..and my moon aries make it hard...i have strong emontional carrier ambition and dont know sometimes how can i deal with it..i have strong energy..but sometimes it can be natural disaster..i have to decrease my ambition other wise i will be really sick..but how;sun scorpio;moon aries;risin sag...and so many 10 th house...i should have rest..are all aries moon like that..when they are stop;they can be disaster..they have strange energy...thank you for your advices my friends...

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Hexxie
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posted May 26, 2006 01:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tim, Isn't it Grand?! 'Zala found the image and 'donated' it to me. It exactly fit the quote that I have chosen! I thank you again Lady 'Z for your scouting prowess

Q, you had asked:

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Out of curiosity, do you all have any advice to help with coping with Saturn opposition Moon?

Here's a quote (geez I love quotes) from another topic I just recently posted...

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The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate - the result of past good and evil - but to arouse man's will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done, he can undo. None other than himself was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he created it by his own actions in the first place, and because he possesses spriritual resources that are not subject to planetary pressure.

Superstitious awe of astrology makes one an automation, slavishly dependent on mechanical guidance. The wise man defeats his planets - which is to say, his past - by transferring his allegiance from the creation to the Creator. The more he realizes his unity with Spirit, the less he can be dominated by matter. The soul is ever free; it is deathless because it is birhtless. It cannot be regimented by stars.



What that means, in a nut shell, is to 'know thyself'. Realize that your are more than the sum of your human 'Earth Suit' as I like to call it. This place is the 'dream within a dream', the illusion. What i'm trying to say is that there are many things you can do to combat this energy current of feelings! Try different things and stick with what is right for you. Gemstones, Herbs, hangin out with friends, dosen't really matter. Just remember you are perfect exactly the way you are!! Your feelings are a sometimes not so gentle guide to what needs your attention. Turn inward

P.S. redbubblesbleed I also have Venus square Saturn....and my Moon. Interesting.... reminds me of a teeter-totter.

I have learned to be kind to myself to help with this aspect. Believe me it is still a constant (life-time) work in progress!

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

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posted May 26, 2006 08:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hexxie
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posted May 28, 2006 03:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Redbubblesbleed~ Saturn14*Leo - 2nd house, opposite Moon14*Aquarius - 8th house, both squared Venus8*Scorpio - 5th house.

The reason I use a larger orb (6* between Venus and the other 2) is because there are personal planets involved (Moon & Venus). Normally I use 3*.

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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll

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posted May 28, 2006 05:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooo Hexxie, you're smart. I've been using the gemstones of late to help with the whole Saturn ***** slapping my moon thing! I agree that...if this is what you mean...we all can learn to transcend our charts.

So I'm gonna take this Saturn opposition moon thing as my chance to learn a lesson about transcending my chart.

I know we shouldnt' be a slave to our charts. But...it's kind of nice to think I'll definitely feel better once a bad transit ends. Ya know?

I sorta wish it hadn't come right now when I'm meeting all these people I'm interested in.

YEAHHHH so the gemstones are good.

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posted May 28, 2006 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kind of a tangent, but perhaps a help to BoP.....

Here's a (short and incomplete) list of gemstones that I keep tacked next to my computer:

Agate - Stress relief, protection
Amazonite - Balance, intuition, focus, clarity
Amber - Protection, thwarts negativity, sun stone
Amethyst - Spiritual, calming, cleansing
Ametrine - Tension reliever, positive, spiritual, cleansing
Aventurine - Luck, opportunity
Black Onyx - Spiritual connection, awareness, protection
Bloodstone - Removal of obstacles, courage, health
Blue Calcite - Healing, calming, memory improvement
Blue Lace Agate - Peace, meditation
Blue Sapphire - Communication, wisdom, protection
Blue Topaz - Communication, calming
Carnelian - New life, stimulates change
Citrine - Creativity, productivity, self esteem, favor
Clear Quartz- Clarity, insight, direction
Fluorite - Spiritual awareness, openness, faerie favorite
Garnet - Balance, zest
Hematite - Protection, deflects negativity, communication
Jasper - Grounding, healing
Jet - Magical counterpart of amber, power, protection
Lapis Lazuli - Insight, Intuition, inspiration, meditation
Malachite - Balance, fairness, protection in business
Moonstone - Intuition, renewal, calm, awareness
Obsidian - Protection, grounding, deflects negativity
Peridot - Lightness, beauty, growth, heart
Rose Quartz - Love and peace
Ruby - Depth, zest, intuition
Rutilated Quartz - Healing, mood elevator
Serpentine - Healing, protection, kundalini, manifestation
Smoky Quartz - Release hurt, endurance, protection
Sodalite - Oneness, spiritual trust
Tigers Eye - Deep intuition, vision, luck and protection
Turquoise - Soothing, friendship, peace
Unakite - Unblocking, love and clarity

Hang in there, this too shall pass.....
Zala

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posted May 28, 2006 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, hard aspects (natal or transit) of Saturn or of Neptune to the moon or Venus are usually what bring about depression.

Also, if anyone has Saturn in hard angles to Neptune or Jupiter, that person tends to go through very extreme highs and lows.

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breakfast on pluto
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posted May 29, 2006 12:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you 'zala..and beleque..

i love topaz...

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astro junkie
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posted June 04, 2006 09:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
breakfast on pluto -

I can't quite place your accent, you do not indicate where you are from, or whatever. But you are all either in an ENVIRONMENT which is not good for you, or you are all very young and going through the same thing for a while.

Honestly, I wouldn't waste my time telling you, if it's NOT because you are all very young, it will never change in time for you. Tell me you're all older and are gonna run with the pack .... pleeeez tell me that ...

It's like when you stay at a house or apartment, and every time you go there, you start sneezing and feeling dizzy. You are allergic to the house. The same thing can happen based on the location one is in, and I mean that in a global sense.

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breakfast on pluto
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posted June 05, 2006 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Astrojunkie...

i am 26 years old..i dont know if is it too young for you..i am living in apartment..

and..i have hard and bad times nowadays;weeks...i always had bad times like anybody..but this time i feel unhappiness in my heart and brain..actually i am good fighter..i never gave up..but this time i dont feel strong energy..and may be all of this ;time have brought up to me..

anyway..take care..thank you...

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