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Topic: Super Sags, Aqua Moons, and Scorpio Mars folk come HERE!!!(Everyone else too invited)
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alanabelle86
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posted June 12, 2006 07:57 AM
  
For the longest I've been trying to understand what makes my boyfriend so "different" from other people. I've looked at his chart a many many time, and it seems odd to me but others have said that it looks normal. What do you think? What about other heavily Sagittarian people here? What are you experiences? Aqua Moons? Your experiences?Ascendant in Libra
Sun in Sagittarius 3rd house
Moon in Aquarius 5th house
Mercury in Sagittarius 3rd house
Venus in Sagittarius 3rd house
Mars in Scorpio 2nd house
Jupiter in Aquarius 5th house
Saturn in Sagittarius 3rd house
Uranus in Sagittarius 3rd house
Neptune in Capricorn 4th house
Pluto in Scorpio 2nd house He's a twin (fraternal) and they both hate their mother however his hate is so passionate it scares me. His childhood is patterned by being considered the "bad" child even though he literally did nothing to earn the reputation. His brother acts out and actually screams and throws tantrums and yet because my boyfriend reacted by distancing himself, his parents considered him "abnormal". And so they gave him more negative attention even though he was more focused, mature, and emotionally controlled and less violent than his brother. His brother even spread nasty rumors about him around school way back in elementary school and these rumors STILL remain today (he's turning 21/junior in college). Many people in his small town didn't like him because their parents didn't like his father who worked as the town soil scientist engineer. He has a group of friends he doesn't dare ever stray from and its almost like theyve become the "family" he wishes he's had. I say this because by looking at his chart, I'd think he's much more free-spirited than he really is. I heard a theory that with twins, one takes on the traits of the Sun and the other, the moon. In this case, I mean I'd consider him to be more like the moon. He's so highly emotional. Extremely emotional but at the same time he's so controlled (Scorpio-like). He's also insanely jealous, envying and getting very upset whenever anything steals my attention away from him. Even my family. It's like now that he's gotten older, he's itching to finally get his personality that his parents challenged and tried to stifle out in the world and so people can "understand him" but its so hard for him to do so. Teachers when he was younger would call him stupid, as well has his parents and my god. This kid is a fn genius. I've never known anyone who could pull knowledge about ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING out of the air so non-chalantly. It's amazing. I know he finds that with me, he can be himself because I'm big on just being truly who you are but at the same time. It gets to the point where he's so desperate to connect that whenever I don't have an interest that is the same as his, he thinks I'm "betraying him". ANd this goes to extremes let me tell you. I was trying to find some of this in the chart and I see a lot of 3rd house influences (self-expression/communicating). And I also see that he has the same Earth/Cardinal singleton Neptune I have but a different house. IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow
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posted June 12, 2006 08:03 AM
here's the chart, what do you think?
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alanabelle86
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posted June 12, 2006 03:10 PM
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sugar_buns
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posted June 13, 2006 08:34 AM
oh well, sorry to b late...hehe
well, im alibra asc with aqua moon, n uranus in sag...like ur bf.
plus i have my mars in sag(ur bf has venus), n neptune also in sag....
so i have heavy sag influences, clumsiness being foremost...hehe, dont think ur bf is clumsy-mars in scorp should stabilize him.
i feel he has problem in communicating his inner feelings n thoughts as i have. i think its the moon in aqua.
i have a hard time telling ppl whats on my mind, as a result most of the time they tend to misunderstand me. sometimes i say things in such abstract impersonal way, ppl take it negatively n i get negative response to my feelings, so i then try to keep them inside myself n not sharing them with others. it acts like a viciuous circle...as a result i have practiced(unknowingly) to hide what i really feel n keep quiet.therefore all the things i keep bottled inside me tend to come out like a volcano when im pushed. then i jus explode n do or say things i later feel i shouldnt have.
its a constant battle...
though i feel when im with my friends im most comfortable, even though i dont have very close friendships. i think it stems from the feeling that with them i wont be judged for my actions.(i have sun in 11th)
he has sun conj uranus-i guess that makes him pretty uranian-that suits ur discription of him being genius in certain areas. he must channel his genius energy in something which occupies his interest very much.
plus he has sun conj neptune- there is definately a creative side to him, which somehow may stir his emotions n cause him to relax as he will channel those bottled up emotions through his creativity.
then there is his sun conj venus also, he can relate to the feminine(maybe thats why he is comfy being with u)...jus wondering...
basically he is a romantic at heart like me.
he needs someone who is inuitive enough to know that. im also a very creative person, i try to channelize my energy into things i love-like studying astro, palmistry, singin, painting...
hope this helps  ,though it may look a bit abstract(here i go again)
ps-one more query does like sports?? cos with all those sag placements im really a sportaholic(is that a word?)...i cant imagine life without soprts...hehe.  IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted June 13, 2006 12:48 PM
he wanted to be a professional athlete and he was amazing at sports but then a snowboarding accident caused him to tear his rotator cuff - now he can't play ever again  surprisingly hes so against astrology, etc. anything that cant be proven or hasnt be proven turns him off. it enrages him that i spend so much time studying astro. like he really flips out, he thinks its a waste of time. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted June 13, 2006 02:35 PM
That third house is interesting, for sure - but what I immediately thought when I was reading your description of him was "Sounds like Saturn in hard aspect to Mercury"...And wouldn't you know it, he has a tight Mercury/Saturn conjunction. These people can be very narrow minded and harsh in the way they communicate. My ex had Saturn oppose Mercury, and you just didn't want to argue with him - he was soo harsh, way more so than the subject warrented. You'd end up going "Ok, well - this is NOT the hill I want to die on - conversation closed - FOREVER". Eventually I could barely talk to him about anything, as pretty much every subject of interest to me had been annihilated one by one, because someone was too "touchy" about it.  His Saturn also opposed my Venus, though - so that probably only made it worse. But, yeah - People with Mercury/Saturn aspects can be very harsh communicators, and very rigid thinkers. IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted June 13, 2006 04:09 PM
lioneye68,
Wow, that is accurate. Our relationship is very based on communicating (you should see the 3rd house placements there!) and expressing our ideas to one another, yet he is so touchy so often that I often find myself backing away saying okay, I'll make sure I never open that box again.
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Dulce Luna
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posted June 13, 2006 05:45 PM
W I was suprised when you said he's not free-spirited/minded, almost all his energy is focused in the 3rd house! But then again, saturn is there too, and like Lioneye pointed out-it sits on his mercury. In my opinion, saturn in any house is almost like a "wet-blanket" to that area.IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted June 13, 2006 07:17 PM
Yup, I know exactly what you mean alanabell. It's like he's ready to have a fist fight about the Southbeach Diet or some lamo thing like that! lol... 
All that Sag energy in the 3rd though - the guys gotta be loaded right up on the opinions, and not shy about voicing them. I also see the 'angry-at-mom' theme there too, with that 7 second orb in the square between his Pluto & his moon. Mars is there too. I think Mars represents his brother. He has a karmic history with his brother (Saturn sitting right on top his Mercury) He actually has a really interesting chart, alanabell  PS: I qualify for your thread title, Sag rising, Aqua moon & 8th house Mars.  IP: Logged |
BlueTopaz124
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posted June 13, 2006 10:06 PM
With a lot of planets in Sag (Mercury especially) it's also his style of communication, he's very direct and combined with Mars in Scorpio, passionate and forceful way of saying things. He says things the way he feels them, which is probably why you're feeling the burn of his words, he doesn't hold back.I can relate to what you say sugar_buns, with Aquarius Moon too I tend to hold a lot in and feel misunderstood, things tend to come out wrong. I'm a Sag Sun, also with Asc, Mars & Jupiter in Sag. IP: Logged |
Salisa
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posted June 14, 2006 03:00 AM
His chart actually fascinates me. The chart looks out of balance at first glance. Its like the chart is just screaming for some one to balance it out. I love the connection between Sagittarius and Gemini the 9th house and the 3rd. I've seen that kind of connection in other charts for example moon in aries mars in cancer you can see how the two connect and balance each other out internally within there own psyche. But with this chart its like saying I need and external sorce to balance myself out I know what I need but don't know how to produce it within myself. Even the AC looks like it gives hints to this Libra being the sign of Scales. Its like he wants to connect wants to balance out but when ever he tries its like sand slipping through his fingers.
The more and more I look at his chart the more I see all the connetions like the 11th house opposing the sign of Aquarius, the 5th house opposing its sign Leo(every single sign and its house are in opposition)! And on top of all that he has intercepted signs I could go on and on. Please tell us more about your boyfriend I would really love see your chart even a synastry chart.(I think this is one of the most interesting charts I've ever seen.)IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted June 14, 2006 12:46 PM
He's a very interesting character see, I knew it! haha... well basically..Like I said he has a twin, and his parents treat *him*( My boyfriend) pretty badly. It's like the mother didn't know she was having twins and realized she only wanted one child. So they treat their first child like he's this divine, untouchable, the son theyve always wanted, perfect. And yet, when it comes to my boyfriend...it's just like he's someone imposing on their time. They treat him like he's just an empty space, not really too significant at all. He has deep rooted family issues, thats for sure. He's never associated with another female (besides his mother) before me. He's never had them as friends, never really talked to them, anything like that. WHen he first met me, he actually thought I was using him to get close to his brother. And so he decided that i was a "wh*re" and just a people using "sl*t" But then when he realized it was him I wanted all along, we hadn't been inseparable since. He's got an interesting "too serious"/"too irresponsible/fun loving" mix going on. I love him because he's so unpredictable (to other people). He really says the most shocking things and does the most unusual yet hilarious things i've ever seen. ANd my GOD is he opinionated. He really keeps people, especially me, on my toes. Nothing in his life and I mean nothing, down to what underwear he's wearing today is taken lightly. Every aspect of his life is highlighted times 50 with such passionate Plutonian overtones it's overwhelming. In terms of us being together, I definitely feel the Plutonian possession thing. He highly values and gets super defensive of his possessions (because often he lends them out and never sees them or they get broken). And this includes me, he treats me like his "queen" I guess you could say but it's like a Rapunzel thing going on at the same time. He hates to write with a passion but has so much to say I encourage him to at least do something with communications. He doesnt know what he wants to do with his life, he doesn't know what hes interested in, anything like that. He has no clue. He's good at a lot of things but I mean, he can only see that one thing he loved (sports) and now that he doesn't have it, he obsesses over his loss and how his life is "ruined". The one of the few things he absolutely lives is his music. He's amazing on guitar and him, his brother and a best friend formed a group (rap, I heard that was ruled by Sagittarius, too) and are quite well known in their town (3,000 people) for their vulgar and utterly shocking but hilarious lyrics. however, he doesn't take it too seriously, however if anyone else says something along the lines of "get real, its not going to happen" he flips. its like only he is allowed to step on his own dreams or have say in them, no one else...ever The thing is like you mentioned, he really *needs* people. But I think because he feels hes spent so much of his life really alone and with no one to really express "himself" to, that he's decided that people are just against him and dont want him around. He thinks every single person who doesn't say hi to him, a) will not like him b) does not like him c) has something against him...it's always the world against *him* obviously, i try and convince him otherwise but that goes back to the whole opinion/argument thing. I don't WANT to upset that Saturn/Mercury conjunction. He doesn't trust many people, if anyone at all.
I'll post our synastry and composite.
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Libra Rising, Scorpio Sun, Leo Moon
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alanabelle86
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posted June 14, 2006 12:56 PM
Here's our composite
here's our synastry
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sugar_buns
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posted June 14, 2006 02:02 PM
alanabelle,
i know how he must be feeling about his loss in the sports thing....cos its what i have been feeling since time immemorial.
i'll tell u what, i have been born with a permanent disability which renders the muscles in legs n arms in a very poor condition...i wont go into the details but the gist is that i cant play many of the sports like. i cant wear jus any type shoe, it has to be fitting in a certain way, n i can never ever wear a scandall or heels in whole of my life...i cant walk barefoot,the pain is jus too much to bare, although i've always wanted to play barefeet as children do, without a care...i try to imagine how it might feel to walk on fresh mown lawn...can only imagine.........
i feel like running when i see athletes run or dancing watching ppl dance so swiftly, but i cant do that, n that is very heartbreaking at times.
tell him that -it does feel like its gonna make u mad when u know its not gonna change n u have to live with it no matter what.
at times i've felt so lonely bcos of this, but going out meeting ppl n having light chats with someone will help ease the burden on his heart.
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alanabelle86
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posted June 15, 2006 09:25 AM
sugar_buns,  I'm sorry about the conditions you've had to face throughout your life. I can't imagine living the way you did, you must be such a strong person..and it's people like you who make me smile because I realize how lucky I am and that if you can manage to bring some happiness into your life despite what you've gone through then I've got no excuses for frowns Best of luck, my dear...
I try and sympathize with him, and he has gotten better in his acceptance of it. Still, it's a soft spot, especially since his parents are more angry and disappointed (because it cost them a lot for physical therapy and such) than sympathetic with him about it.
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sugar_buns
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posted June 15, 2006 01:52 PM
thanx for the compliment alanabelle,
its good to know you understand....
btw his parents sure r negative...the way they r behaving, i can imagine how difficult it must have been for him to go through that. make him concentrate elsewhere, somewhere he can get away from the thought of his parents,cos living with it can actually scar his very soul. the parents didnt perform their role as they shud have, but getting angry again n again about it will only harm him, so make him look elsewhere.
like i said i could see he is indeed very creative. i also sing, n i enjoy it as a good hobby to relax n restore my soul when im feeling lowly, or else write poems, paint..etc which im good at-creativity...
make him open his horizons slowly...im sure he will bloom...
n yes i understand the soft spot thing about sports,i also had to deal with it. not only this i wasnt selected for musical programmes cos ppl thought i would make it look odd-cos of my conditions. well time is a great healer, slowly he will have to come to terms with it like i did. i know its difficult but if i can do it so can he...
tc
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shirty
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posted June 15, 2006 04:56 PM
Hi alana~First of all here are my placements:
Ascendant in Leo
Sun Sagittarius 5th house
Moon Gemini 11th house
Mercury Sagittarius 5th house
Venus Scorpio 4th house
Mars Pisces 8th house
Jupiter Pisces 8th house
Saturn Sagittarius 5th house
Uranus Sagittarius 5th house
Neptune Capricorn 5th house
Pluto Scorpio 4th house
Notice that other than Venus your boyfriend and I have the same planets in Sag. We all share the same placement of 4th house Pluto in Scorpio. I can say from my experience and struggles, the hardest thing for me was (and still is) having people get to know the real me. I tend to project a false identity to which others latch on to and judge me. Only recently did I realize that I had to stop blaming others for treating me like the person I wasn’t.. it is up to me to project my true self if that is how I want people to recognize me. I am a person of opposites – maybe it’s the Sag vs Gem in my chart, the desire to explore new possibilities and never be tied down vs the need to feel intimately connected with other people. My 5th house is nicely stacked, nonetheless. The key is finding a balance within yourself. I’ll add more when I get the time later today.. Take care
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lioneye68
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posted June 15, 2006 05:05 PM
anabell, I'm holding off from commenting on your composite & synastry, because quite frankly, I can't see how you guys are clicking. I don't see any of the obvious markings, and I don't want to start grasping at straws. I honestly don't think you're going to spend the rest of your life with this chap. ....I hope that doesn't stop you from trying, though. For a while. And I hope you don't think I'm mean for saying this.  IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted June 15, 2006 08:52 PM
It's funny that you say that because *I* know I could spend the rest of my life with him. I've never been happier...and before you think it, no i'm not the romantic type. I'm not the together forever story book romance type. I see whats there and if I don't think its working or worth it, then I wouldn't hesitate to leave it behind. However, It was SO hard for us in the beginning
You have no idea HOW hard it has been but it's been a long road and now we're almost at 2 years...and after we've gotten through some of the biggest tests i've ever faced with another person, I realize I truly am happy and this relationship will work and will last. mainly because we both want it to... we do click very well, actually...
He's got a slew of third house placements that satisfy my lack of any cadent houses in my chart. He helps me- I help him. So far I'm happy...at least IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted June 15, 2006 08:57 PM
It;s funny because when I saw our synastry and composite, I thought how in the world could this work?
With the Pluto-Moon and the Uranus-Venus etc. I thought it was sure to end but it's fitting.... I have an Aqua is the only air sign in my chart so I think the Uranus aspects are easier to deal with than most. And my boyfriend is very Aquarian-like..so it fits us.
We basically lived together for 10 months and it was perfect for us. We'd never been happier. He's so unpredictable, opinionated, lacks a lil tact but not too bad, and all around caring and romantic and just so honest...and god, I love that about him. I'd have it no other way...I've never been attracted to "Prince Charming" types, I want someone real with flaws, and who disagrees with me, and who makes mistakes (as long as they recognize them). To me, my boyfriend is as real as it gets. IMO, astrology is good for the predictions but it's what you do with that information that determines whether or not the relationship works. I know what we're up against (energies wise), and because I know it is easier to understand...thats not to say it's all well and perfect cuz we have our moments..but overall, i believe in working things out. and trust me, saturn has tested our relationship and KEEPS testing it...but we always come out stronger than before
so, I'm positive 
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lioneye68
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posted June 16, 2006 02:44 AM
Well, maybe you're an exception. Maybe you'll make it in spite of your differences.If you do, though - it will be in spite of your happiness too. Does the relationship mean enough to you that you would put yourself aside? Dumb question, from a girl to a girl. Of course it does. Whatever the price. And you'll earn your place in Heaven (sp?) for it...You're only here to serve men afterall... blah - I'm being a b!tch. Sorry. I hate how needy women are, until they're wiser and cooler. Ps: not to say you're not wise or cool, alanabell...I'm sure you are. We all have useless men in our history. IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted June 16, 2006 05:27 AM
I know you're not, it's cool... Oh and another thing...SERVE MEN?! Ha. We're equal sweetheart, if anything Men will be serving me! That's one thing I would never let happen, and I make that especially clear in this relationship. *I* don't serve him, whatever I do, I do because I'm happy to do it and I don't mind but I make sure we are *equal*. Personally, I feel I am far too independent and self-sufficient to fall into the "needy" category. If anything, I only pretend to be needy to get what I want (Leo moon again).  And like I said, I'm a brat. (Moon in Leo/Mars in Aquarius/Sun in 1st). I want MY way and unfortunately, if I wasn't happy with him but still loved him, I would walk out on him. Simple as that. I know how I should be treated, I know what makes me happy, and I also always have one eye on the door (Venus retro/Mars in Aqua again!) So trust me..I know what I'm doing (right now anyway).. I am happy with him, I used to think I wasn't. But all my life I had this complex where I'd rather have been alone than in a relationship because I was internally too selfish to give my time and to share my private self with another. However, I've gotten (slightly, haha) over that and like I said I've grown and I haven't been happier. However, don't get me wrong, I appreciate your comments. I don't find it bitchy at all. They're good questions...and I'd rather have someone question me than have someone say "Oh thats sweet, Oh thats nice.." and not give their two cents..
So, I thank you and say "dont worry about it."
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alanabelle86
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posted June 16, 2006 05:31 AM
so curiously I'll ask...
what do you see in either chart that supports your opinion? you said you were holding back from commenting...don't! if i were afraid of your opinion or insight, i wouldn't have posted!
share the wealth of knowledge with me, that's why I'm here... haha
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