posted June 14, 2006 02:29 AM            

"When two planets share the same degree in Declination, there are strong lessons to be absorbed into your life from the aspects of both of these planets combined. The meaning of the combination of planets depends on the planets, the Signs and Houses they occupy and their relationship to one another."

So, of course I checked my chart and this is what I discovered:

Sun: Cancer, H 12, Declination: 23'25'27 N

Venus: Cancer, H 12, Declination: 23'51'14 N

Moon: Taurus, H 11, Dec: 15'53'47 N

Mars: Leo, H 3, Dec: 15'23'31 N

Saturn: Leo, H 2, Dec: 20'9'39 N

Neptune: Sagg., H 6, Dec: 20'41'9 S

Uranus: Scorpio, H 5, Dec: 12'6'33 S

Pluto: Libra, H 4, Dec: 12'5'26 N

Now - what would this mean to all of you hard core astrologers out there? Do the degrees need to be exact? What the heck do we know about declinations?

Thanks,

posted June 14, 2006 03:10 AM            

Parallels act like conjunctions and contraparallels act like oppositions.

posted June 14, 2006 02:17 PM              

You can also take a look at Out-of-Bounds (OOB - strong energy) planets. OOB planets are any planets at greater than 23 degrees 27 minutes of declination North or South. In the planets in your chart your Venus (physical, also desires/relationships) is slightly OOB, indicating you might have strong Venus energy (i.e., possibly strong desires or need for relationships). More here: http://www.mandala.be/declination/pamela.htm

OOB,

posted June 14, 2006 05:19 PM            

I had a look through the declinations of friends and family and I have, by far, the most declinations of anyone...in fact if I'm doing it correctly, then the bulk of my chart fits into this category. Most of the other people's charts I looked at had one of these... or none.

Does anyone know what this means specifically? Now I am even more curious. Could it have something to do with karma?

posted June 17, 2006 06:34 PM              

I was wondering where you had found that part about "When two planets share the same degree in Declination ....", so I found it cuz I was wondering what was meant by "strong lessons". It's like, there are strong lessons? I've had a plenty already, so what kind of lesson is THIS about.

The article does NOT answer that, to my disappointment. BUT it does offer a very comprehensive (EASY-TO-READ) description of Declinations in general.

Also, you were asking about what Orb you wanted, and I would say, within 3 Degrees, so you have a few Parallel's there ... *clear throat* ... I think I got that right.

Yet, one would read it, go ... huh ... and it doesn't mean much more than Lord ... yet ANOTHER astrological dual going on within !!!

So what good is any of this?

It depends is you'll be able to add your knowledged of Declinations to your current astrological knowledge, without getting all twisted around again.

I liked the 2nd Part of that OOB stuff, when it comes to even attemptinig to apply it without a license (hee hee ...)

"Those Wild Out-of-Bounds Planets
The influence of Out-of-Bounds Planets (part 2)
available only in Englisch
Examples on this page:

Persons:

Albert Einstein
Judy Garland
Jack Kevorkian
Howard Stern
Evel Knievel
Henri Kissinger
Tiger Woods

OOB planets:

OOB Moon
OOB Mercurius(1)
OOB Mercurius(2)
OOB Venus(1)
OOB Venus(2)
OOB Mars(1)
OOB Mars(2)
OOB Mars(3)


Bron: Those Wild Out-of-Bounds Planets by Pamela Welch, first published in the June/July 2001 issue of The Mountain Astrologer, published here with her permission.

Let's take a more specific look now at exactly how an out-of-bounds planet will operate in an individual's life. In most cases, my discussion will include both a planet's declination and its sign placement in the more familiar geocentric longitude to help you integrate out-of-bounds dynamics into your astrological chart analysis.

As you might guess, people with an out-of-bounds planet tend to know no boundaries and accept no limits. Often there's no stopping them. This can result in boundless creativity and success, allowing the native to go way beyond the potential that one might normally expect. For example, Albert Einstein who has an out-of-bounds Moon in Sagittarius near the 6th house cusp, creatively provided a whole new paradigm in regards to time and space through his work on the theory of relativity. His philosophical beliefs weren't constrained by his era's prevailing system of thought. Natives with an out-of-bounds planet like to break the rules in this way and color outside the lines. A client of mine with an out-of-bounds Moon in Sagittarius in the 1st house is currently in the process of writing an epic narrative poem akin to Beowulf. When was the last time anyone attempted that? This is the kind of unconventional and "outside the norm" expression you often see in someone with an out-of-bounds planet. Such individuals can often achieve extraordinary things and overcome great obstacles in life.

However, an out-of-bounds planet can also be negatively expressed, leading to abnormal or unstable behavior which is outside the accepted standards of society. Its energy can indicate a tendency toward mental imbalance or at the very least create a lot of pressure and stress in an individual's life. The highest declination Moon I've ever seen in my astrology practice (28°S18') was in the chart of a man suffering from bipolar disorder (manic-depression). (5) There is a fine line between genius and insanity and sometimes you will see both positive and dysfunctional elements in the lives of those with out-of-bounds planets. Judy Garland, for example, had two out-of-bounds planets - Venus in Cancer in the 1st house and Mars in Sagittarius in the 6th. Garland was certainly a sensitive beauty. However, she was also overworked as a child star and encouraged to take amphetamines. Venus is quincunx Mars in her chart and it may have been difficult for her to reconcile her emotional insecurities and desire for a loving, peaceful environment (Venus in Cancer) with the demands for her to be an energetic and exuberant working star (Mars in Sagittarius). Although she had tremendous success as an actress and singer from a young age, she also suffered from health problems and depressive mental illness accompanied by an addiction to prescription medications. This resulted in several suicide attempts and finally death. Although Venus is only at 23°N 49'declination, Mars is at 25°S 55', creating greater instability. Mars opposite her Sun in Gemini in the 12th house is an indicator of subconscious anger directed inward in aggression towards herself. Such suppression of deeper feelings may have led to Garland's depression as well as the ultimate act of brutality toward the self - suicide. (6)

Often, people with out-of-bounds planets seem to get away with more somehow, or try to. They can be those individual's that are always pushing the limits of what we commonly accept in society. With an out-of-bounds Mercury in Gemini, Dr. Jack Kevorkian, the physician who believes in euthanasia for the terminally ill, is certainly one of these people. He has had repeated conflict with the law for his belief in assisted suicide. Mercury is related to the physician and healing. However, mythically the Roman god Mercury could also put people asleep with his magic wand or be a messenger of death. Kevorkian has certainly taken on this aspect of Mercury's expression. With Mercury at 25°N39' declination, we would expect to see this type of more radical behavior in support of his extremely adamant opinions.

American talk-show host, Howard Stern, also with an out-of-bounds Mercury (23°S41), is another iconoclast pushing the envelope of societies accepted norms. He loves to shock his radio audience with sexually oriented and socially unacceptable topics such as flatulence and penis size. Stern's natal Mercury in Capricorn is conjunct Venus, Sun, Chiron and North Node, all in that same sign. He's certainly achieved fame and star status with his irreverent radio show, biographical book, "Private Parts," and subsequent movie by the same name. His Capricorn coldness is evident as he talks about people as little more than objects for appraisal. Stern's out-of-bounds Mercury is in opposition to Uranus and South Node in Cancer and this definitely fits his shock jock demeanor which loves to upset the "status quo." However, Cancer can be a vulnerable sign and his movie, "Private Parts" illustrated his early anxiety and self-doubt. To this day, when Stern is out of the sound booth and no longer on air, he's said to be full of insecurities. (7) His outrageous and domineering style may be a front for deeper vulnerabilities.

Daredevil Evel Knievel has an out-of-bounds Venus in Sagittarius within two degrees of his Midheaven at the high declination of 26°S17. His somewhat bizarre stunts go way beyond even the extreme end of adventure sports. Adventure is certainly his indulgence as well as his career and the way he has attracted money along with admiring women. No doubt, there is a kind of grace he exhibits as his motorcycle flies like an arrow over a row of cars or a tank full of sharks. Out-of-bounds Venus is also quintile Neptune which is conjunct Mars in Virgo. The quintile (72°) indicates spontaneous creative expression and mental or artistic talents. You could say that Knievel has a creative talent for dissolving the boundaries of what is normally considered possible for the physical body. The mental energy of quintiles also excels at the kind of exact engineering calculations which are probably required as part of the preparations for his stunts.

However, Venus in Sagittarius can lead to a vain belief that you can do anything and a Mars-Neptune conjunction can also characterize a weakening of one's physical condition. Consequently, with Venus trine Pluto (destruction, death) in Leo in the 6th-house of health, in addition to Saturn square 6th-house Chiron, Evel has had numerous injuries, broken bones, and subsequent operations during his career. With out-of-bounds Venus in the sign that rules the Liver, in addition to a 1st-house Jupiter in Aquarius, it is not surprising that during one of these operations, he contracted Hepatitis C from a blood transfusion. This resulted in a liver transplant operation for him in 1999. Venus is also in a quindecile aspect to 3rd-house Uranus in Taurus. The quindecile aspect (165°) represents a disruption or compulsion, an obsessive influence which can draw one away from the main thrust of life development. Knievel's stubborn obsession with adventure and his vain compulsion to do anything to shock his admiring fans has resulted in many damaging jolts to his body.

Knievel also has a reputation for being an out of control hell-raiser, an excessive behavior associated with his out-of-bounds Venus in Sagittarius. It helps that in addition to the quindecile to Uranus and trine with Pluto, Venus is also sextile his Aquarius Ascendant which opposes Pluto. He has a history of aggression and was once arrested on charges of beating (Pluto) his girlfriend (Venus). (8)

An out-of-bounds Mars is found in the natal chart of diplomat Henry Kissinger. Considering the assertive nature of Mars, this might seem strange for someone who was recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973. In actuality, Kissinger is an interesting mix. With a 1st-house OOB Mars in Gemini, he courageously negotiated diplomatic dialogues with heads of state in order to end aggressive conflicts such as the Vietnam War. This is supported by a trine of Kissinger's Mars to his Moon in Libra, which can potentially keep its bellicose nature more peacefully directed, and his 12th-house Sun-Mercury conjunction in Gemini (secret talks in closed sessions) trine Saturn in Libra. With Saturn conjunct his Libra Moon, he was able to make his lack of emotion work for him by asserting himself with peaceful words. At 28 degrees Gemini in the third decan of this sign, Mars can also be less impulsive, more ruled by reason and the power of the objective mind (9). Kissinger was thus able to summon great courage and overcome difficult obstacles in dealing with many tense political situations.

However, we now know that Kissinger also covertly initiated atrocities and violent acts in Vietnam. In addition, he brought the downfall of the democratic Allende government in Chile in the '70's to support the Chilean leader, General Augusto Pinochet, who tortured his people. (See the The Trial of Henry Kissinger by Christopher Hitchens.) In this respect, Kissinger's lack of emotion may have created an "end justifies the means" mentality.

Nevertheless, out-of-bounds Mars is found more frequently in the charts of courageous or creative individuals and great leaders than it is in violent criminals. It can also indicate an "off the charts" type of athletic ability as it does with golfer Tiger Woods, who has Mars in Gemini opposite the Moon in Sagittarius square a Virgo Ascendant.

©Copyright, 2001 Pamela Welch"

(Source: www.mandala.be/declination/pamela1.htm

But, I'm sure you are aware of the Magi Socity Web site, and it's a good link for us lazy folk to send you when it comes to Declinations. You sort of have to read between the lines carefully, in order to extract the astrological fundamentals here, and go through ALL the pages.

www.magiastrology.com/first_visit.htm