posted July 09, 2006 11:59 AM              

OK, I know about the degrees of 29 and 0 being exalted in a chart. But why is a planet considered to be in the next house if within 5 degrees of the cusp? For example the guy I'm dating has sun 29 degrees Scorpio. Why doesn't that make him a Sag?? If it is within 5 degrees wouldn't it be interepreted as in the next sign?

Also, when I was looking over another chart, my friend an Aquarius also has his sun at 29 degrees Aqua. When doing a synastry chart for the both of us, the grid chart says our suns are trine. How are Aqua and Scorp trine in this case? The only way I can figure, is because his sun is interpreted as being in Pisces because it is near the end of the house.

Another thing. On astro.com, where it gives the details of the houses/planets, theres a little box with the numbers 2,3,11,12. What significance is this?

posted July 09, 2006 12:20 PM              

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posted July 09, 2006 01:20 PM              

You may have been joking, but, if not...there is a very strong, ancient tradition of only using the signs to indicate aspects. In ancient Greek astronomy, for example, there are no aspects by degree but by sign only. Similarly in Vedic astrology. Due to this strong position some very well-respected astrologers also use this method, even when looking at planets in aspect by degree (i.e. planets which are in aspect by degree but not by sign are not in aspect). While we may have strong preferences for a particular style of astrology, that does not make it more "right" than another way of viewing astrology.

In fairness,

posted July 09, 2006 01:25 PM              

I don't agree with the "next house" rule and consider planets within 5 degrees of a house to be in BOTH houses. However, a planet in Scorpio is a planet in Scorpio, not in Sagittarius, although his Sagittarius energy may be a little more "Scorpionic".

The numbers refer to the degrees on the cusp (edge) of houses 2, 3, 11, and 12.

Shedding,

Tim

posted July 09, 2006 04:44 PM              

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Mars,
You may have been joking, but, if not...there is a very strong, ancient tradition of only using the signs to indicate aspects. In ancient Greek astronomy, for example, there are no aspects by degree but by sign only. Similarly in Vedic astrology. Due to this strong position some very well-respected astrologers also use this method, even when looking at planets in aspect by degree (i.e. planets which are in aspect by degree but not by sign are not in aspect). While we may have strong preferences for a particular style of astrology, that does not make it more "right" than another way of viewing astrology.

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I'm not being funny but waht the heck has this got to do with what Scorpiochick asked and i spoke about. Her main question was does being in a different sign to the one next in the cusp negate any aspect that would be formed thereof. My answer is signs do not comprimise the aspect in the manner suggested. Your speech seems to be aimed at tight orbs vs. signs only in forming aspects. Another complete, and entirely unrelated arguement.

...Unless i've had too much skunk tonight!
Probably one or two spelling mustakeds in that. So what.

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posted July 10, 2006 12:38 AM              

You said:

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Why oh why do people think that differnet signs negate a Trine or a conjunction or whatever. Some people are stupid enough to think that a conjunction where the planets are in different signs means the conjunction is comprimised. They're wrong.

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You asked "why oh why"..so Tim gave you the explanation. There is an ancient tradition in astrology whereby only aspects by SIGN count and the degrees do NOT m a t t e r.. Was this easier for you to read and comprehend or do you want me to re-type everything letter by letter.. one letter a day.. that way maybe it registers? No it is not wrong or right.. It is what it is.. a difference in method and opinion.

posted July 10, 2006 06:40 AM              

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posted July 10, 2006 07:17 AM            

Isn't it funny that they're all correct!

posted July 10, 2006 08:04 AM              

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Are you both Pisces?

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Yes it’s the big bad Pisceans.. They’re comin’ to get you.. They’re everywhere Mars.. Everywhere I tells ya..

Bad Fishies Bad Fishies.. whacha gona do.. whacha gona do when they come for you

posted July 10, 2006 10:48 AM              

Thanks MCM and Tim. I understand what both of you are saying.

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posted July 10, 2006 09:21 PM              

In my opinion aspects by degree work regardless of the sign. I have Venus on the 29th deg and I've always felt conjunctions with planets in the next sign.

But out of sign aspects tend to be a bit different to in sign aspects. For instance, in your example.. with the Aqua friend, even though your Suns are trine by aspect.. his Sun is individually expressed in an Aquarian way.. and your Sun is individually expressed as Scorpio.. the signs are still squared and you would still be very different people on an ego level.. however the fact that by aspect they are trine would make this a lesser square and you'd probably find that your differences don't annoy you, but rather you find each other intriguing and the energy flows easily, not like that of a normal square.

Basically, some astrologers say only sign aspects count. Other astrologers say only aspects by degree count.

I think the truth lies in the middle. Aspects by degree are felt, the closer the degree the better.. But aspects by sign can also be felt. If your Sun is in early Pisces, and someone else’s Sun is in late Scorpio (almost early Sag) .. by degree they would be squared, but they are *both* water and both work in similar ways.. The square aspect by degree would make this a lesser trine but it would still be felt as a trine imo..

Or another example is, in synastry or natal when you have two planets in the same sign but not conjunct by deg.. For instance, your Sun is early Scorpio.. and a guy’s Venus in mid to late Scorpio.. Obviously the aspect would be felt more strongly and generate more of an attraction if it was close.. but regardless, natally his Venus is in Scorpio, so in theory he is attracted to Scorpionic looks.. Whether you’re an early or late Scorpio (or have your ascendant there), you could have the exact look he’s looking for..
In natal, if you have your Moon and Venus both in Aquarius, not conjunct by degree.. there would still be an affinity there.. because the planets are working in the same direction for similar goals.

To answer your question..

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When doing a synastry chart for the both of us, the grid chart says our suns are trine. How are Aqua and Scorp trine in this case? The only way I can figure, is because his sun is interpreted as being in Pisces because it is near the end of the house

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The whole interpretation in the next house thing, does not apply to signs at all. I have no idea where this theory - that a planet late in a house will be expressed in both houses – came from.. or why.. it does work sometimes though, or so I’ve noticed in my chart. But the 5 degree house rule is not applied to signs, so no his Sun is not interpreted as being in Pisces.. His sun is still in Aquarius and the aspect with your Sun is there due to the distance in degrees. Different degrees cause a different magnetism between the planets.. the degrees that form a trine – 120 - cause a very smooth/nice interaction.. regardless of the signs.

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If Aqua and Scorp can be trine, what element would that be exactly? Water? Air? Plasma?? lol Would it matter?

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Aquarius is still air.. and Scorpio is still water.. and they are still squared signs.. The trine is there by aspect only due to the distance in degrees.. so it isn’t a trine in the same element.

To sum it up, there are a two different situations:

1. Negative or non-existent connection by sign, but (positive) connection by aspect - (example: Venus at 29 Aries conjunct Jupiter at 0 Taurus.. or .. Sun at 29 Pisces trine Mars at 1 Sag) - In this case the planets work in different ways but they can reason with each other and find common ground

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posted July 12, 2006 06:46 AM              

It's like if I took out a lighter..and someone went screaming "Fireeeee Fireeee".. bit strange.. awell

posted July 12, 2006 11:10 AM              

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My Ascendant is at 25 degrees Scorpio and I also have Neptune at 25 degrees Scorpio. It is listed as being in my 12th house but interpreted as the first, but you are saying to read the interpretations for BOTH houses, correct?
Since the explanations are quite different for the 12th and first houses, how do you balance it for something meaningful?

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That is correct! I don't think of it as a matter of "balancing" as it is a matter of "combining". This question, actually, is easy for me, because I have a stellium (collection of energy) right on the Ascendant, so the stellium is in the 12th house (spirituality) and the 1rst house (being), as you describe. Energies in the 12th house are "dissolved" into everything around them (creating "spirituality") and energies in the 1rst house are highly personal.

The way this works for me is I am a spiritual being: I identify personally with spirituality and very easily "dissolve" my energies into the world around me. This helps to make me understand the outer world directly, since the energy of the outer world is "dissolved" into me personally.

Solving and dissolving,

Tim