posted August 08, 2006 02:53 PM            

The more challenging aspects can indicate that even more and can end up in aggression,intolerance,hate,and disrespect.

Mars and Saturn are the traditional malefics of Astrology. The hard aspects between those two can be very challenging.

Yeah..I believe that many relationships do have those aspects. However,that doesn't mean that they are harmonious. Many marriages end up in divorce. Many couples don't divorce because they want to be a united unit for their children's sake. Some people get married because they have children. There are many cases of man feeling the need to marry a woman because she's pregnant with his child. Some marriages aren't based on love but convenience. Some don't believe in divorce for religious reasons. Others are too damned scared to leave the marriage out of fear of being harmed in some way,and I am not talking about just physical stuff. I am talking about being harmed financially. A lot of men don't want to pay alimony and child support. Some women stay in marriages so the husband will help raise their children and support them. Some couples last in marriages because they work different hours and hardly see each other. Some couples stay in marriages because they feel obligated in some way. It can be one of them being very sick or has some other special needs,and so the other person takes care of him/her. There are lot of people that stay in abusive relationships because of low self esteem and feel that they can find anybody else as well as believing that they love the abuser and make excuses for his/her abusive actions. There are a lot of relationships that are affected by psychological issues. A person has to have a good relationship with him/herself if he/she is going to have a good relationship with another.

Of course, some couples do persevere and stay in marriage because they do truly love each other and want to stay together.

The good thing about these aspects is that there can be ambition,stability. Saturn person can keep Mars from making rash decisions,actions.

It really depends on the couple as well as harmonious aspects that modify the challenges in the synastry.

posted August 08, 2006 03:03 PM              

If one has Mars conj Saturn in the 8th natally, I would say they can be restricted or reserved or repressed in regard to 8th house things - i.e. sex and/or intense relationships. On a positive note they could also be really focused and structured in regard to these 8th house things as well.
It might seem at times like this person has thier feet on the gas and breaks at the same time so their movement is sort of start-stop.
Also, if it's the boy - Mars rules a guy's sex drive so he may be overly in control of his passions and may not 'let loose' too much.

In synastry girls Saturn conj boys's Mars (my boyfriend and I have this too) this could mean that the girl helps to restructure the boy's actions and/or passions in a positive way. The girl could also restrict his actions and/or passions so awareness is needed.
Since the boy already has this in his own chart I'd think that he would be less phased by this energy in comparison to the girl. Meaning that he won't mind so much that she's trying to restructure/restrict his actions because he already does this to himself!

Do they also have Saturn conjunct Saturn also?

posted August 08, 2006 03:20 PM            

I'll post the synastry interpretation from a book I've (called skymates). This is what it says

MARS MARTIALIZES SATURN
Flowing aspects: These two planets are the bad guys in traditional astrology, buts it's a bum rap. Mars is connected with anger, but also with desire and erotic delight. Poor Saturn is often saddled with notions of frustration and heaviness--but it's also the planet of commitment and maturity. With Mars getting along so well with Saturn, there's wonderful astrological support for this couple's being able to work through personal differences in spirit of respect and reasonableness. Then there's the gravy: Saturn promises to sustain the sexual passion that drew them together in the first place.

So thats it. What do you think?

posted August 08, 2006 03:51 PM            

A matter of fact cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers only use the hard aspects because they viewed as being action,event oriented aspects. They include conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate as hard aspects.

Medical astrologers include conjunctions as hard aspects to in their medical,health interpretations. They find that they can indicate health/medical issues.

Some astrologers consider conjunctions hard or soft based on the planet that is involved. Conjunctions involving Mars and Saturn are considered hard.

With that in mind, here is synastry intepretation from SKYMATES

In the book, Steven and Jodie Forrest strongly suggest to think about the more challenging possibilities of the conjunction,too.

posted August 08, 2006 03:56 PM            

Anyways I'm a big fan of Steven Forrest. You read some of his other books too?

posted August 08, 2006 03:57 PM            

Mars conjunct Saturn

The two of you are able to perform detailed tasks together, and really buckle down to a task at hand and successfully complete any task that you collaborate on. However, there may be too much caution and restraint when good opportunities arise and an unwillingness to take risks. Saturn person is inclined to doubt Mars person's ability to succeed in any kind of risky or speculative endeavor and consequently suggest a conservative approach to achieving goals. In some cases, this caution is unwarranted and very frustrating to Mars person, but at other times Saturn person provides a realistic, clear, focused perspective on how Mars person can achieve goals.

On another level, Saturn may suppress Mars person's natural desires, drives, and physical energy level, which can leave Mars person feeling drained and resentful. Beware of holding in anger and irritation with one another for it can slowly poison your relationship.

posted August 08, 2006 04:07 PM            

On another board, an astrologer said that she never really gets excited when she sees conjunctions, either natally or in synastry. She said that they don't necessarily mean rapport and sympatico--often, they just go to extremes.

I have other books by Steven Forrest

posted August 08, 2006 04:16 PM            

About the Natal dynamics, thats very interesting, I never thought about it that way, but it does make lots of sense. But I suppose these natal dynamics in synastry would be shown by a composite chart, right? Cause that chart is a chart of the couple as together. I'm not really sure on this one, but yeah thats a really good point.

OOh same here, except I don't have Pluto, I've the other two books with me though. He's one of my favorite astrology authors.

posted August 08, 2006 04:21 PM            

I am not sure about the composite chart. It's only a chart that shows the relationship itself. It doesn't show who is doing what.

The thing is that you can compare the composite chart to the natal charts to see how the relationship affects that person.
Liz Greene does that.

posted August 08, 2006 04:36 PM            

She also shows the other-side of the composite chart relationship which is here: http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2006/07/22/composite-charts-vs-synastry-%e2%80%93-a-story-to-illustrate-part-three/

Lemme know your thoughts after you read it. Anyways sugar_buns, sorry for going off-topic.

posted August 08, 2006 05:24 PM            

Venus oppose Saturn can be restricting,limiting, but it can also indicate discipline,structure,responsibilities,loyalty,commitment

It could also be a relationship that has do with distance and delays. There can be challenges because the couple is in a long distance relationship. One of the person is too scared to follow his/her heart. but he/she could end up being together after he/she has time to think things over.
I think that easy planetary aspects to the planets in hard aspects help.

Say if Venus is oppose Saturn, if Neptune sextiles Venus and trines Saturn...then Neptune adds romance,idealism,spirituality to the relationship. Then Venus oppose Saturn is not necessarily a cold,rigid,structured placement.

Uranus squaring Venus can make the relationship exciting,stimulating and so not necessarily boring,overly structured,

Venus square Uranus is interpreted as being unstable,and not a good aspect for commitment. It could just be an unconventional relationship.
This could also be an interracial relationship which are very unusual and challenging. Interracial marriages are not even 10 percent of marriages in USA.

Saturn in hard aspect to Venus square Uranus can stabilize the relationship and help the partners want security,settle down,and be responsible.

Planetary aspects and placements in composite can be manifest in so many ways. Astrologers interpret in so many ways.

An astrologer has to see the big picture. They can't just isolate one aspect nor placement and say...hey..this relationships sucks..this relationship is wonderful. That's not how astrology works. I have that view with all types of charts.

It really depends on the person,couple.

I wouldn't rule out composite as the relationship itself. I definitely don't believe that composite chart determines how our relationships are nor if they will end or not.

posted August 09, 2006 01:50 PM            

The main thing is that it's structured activity .

posted August 09, 2006 02:51 PM              

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say its restriction...n others say sexual endurance...
uhh what is it then...?

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