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lovegoblin
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posted August 16, 2006 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you can see it on msn news page

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posted August 16, 2006 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The asteroid becomes a planet.
Did they declare that Pluto may have a twin brother too?

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In older texts they refered to Charon being a moon. It doesn't make sense making a moon a planet cause if that is just the case will they also say that our moon is an actual planet too?

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posted August 16, 2006 01:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrologically what would it mean having another 3 planets? Would they involve sign rulerships etc?

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posted August 16, 2006 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good question ID

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posted August 16, 2006 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ceres being classifed as a planet could help Astrology. I see Ceres as like a 2nd Moon because it is the asteroid of nurturing. Because of that,I would always believed that it was another indicator for mother just like Saturn is another indicator for father in Western Astrology. I believe that it should rule Virgo/6th house. Ceres relates to eating and food which is important for health. Without eating food,we would have serious health problems. Virgo/6th house relate to health. Virgo/6th house relate to service and work.I feel that nurturing is a kind of service. It's a way of helping yourself or others. Helping and work are often connected. Therefore, I feel that Virgo and Ceres share service in common. Virgo is an earth sign,and Ceres an earth mother. Ceres was Roman goddess of the harvest. According to Roman Mythology,without her things didn't grow and so Earth suffered.

These are the reasons that I feel Ceres should rule Virgo. I have Virgo Ascendant,and I feel that Ceres would fit as the ruler of my chart. I never believed that Chiron ruled Virgo nor was my chart ruler. I definitely feel that if Astrologers accept Ceres as a planet like astronomers might do,then it's possible that Ceres will get the respect that it lacked it lacked from astrologers who focused more on the minor planet,Chiron.

Of course,we have another female archetype to add to the list of Planets. I welcome Ceres with a warm hug just like the nurturer she is .

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posted August 16, 2006 05:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah - i glanced at it. what the hell is xena?!

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posted August 16, 2006 06:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yay Ceres.. I've always loved Ceres because it's the last point making a grand sextile in my chart and it's right on my IC, so that's way cool!

I see the Ceres/Virgo connection, and guess what? My Ceres/IC *is* in Virgo.. so that would make it dignified, double yay

I'm not sure about Chiron and Taurus and how they would relate.

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posted August 16, 2006 06:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I love Ceres, it has a really good position in my chart, and it was also astronomically proven as the being approximately the size of Texas, yes the State Texas.

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posted August 16, 2006 07:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus, I was just thinking though, if Ceres is like a second moon, it might still go to Taurus. The Moon is exalted in Taurus. But I also feel it fits Virgo. They do nurture people through everything. They also nag sometimes, which is a moon-like/motherly thing to do.

What do you think about the Chiron/Taurus connection? Chiron is the wounded healer, a centaur. Taurus is a bull. I'm not sure how to connect those. Taurus doesn't seem wounded, if anything it is about knowing your own self-worth (2nd house). Maybe Chiron should get it's own individual 13th sign. And Taurus might get a different planet.

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posted August 16, 2006 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I don't think Taurus is a sign that relates to being service and health like Virgo does. Exalted signs just means that planet functions powerfully. Saturn is exalted in Libra, but I wouldn't say that Saturn shares Libra's qualities like aesthetic,balanced,being impartial,social,relationship oriented. I feel that Venus is good fit for sensual Taurus. Heck..the goddess Venus(Aphrodite) was a highly sensual goddess. Even though she was married to Vulcan(Hephaestus), she didn't care about being married to him. She was getting screwed by Mars(Aries) and other male gods as well as mortals. Venus was like the female version of Jupiter(Zeus). Venus(Aphrodite) is the Goddess of Love. Juno(Hera) was the Goddess of Marriage,and boy...did she ever fit the stereotypical faithful jealous wife that was scorned and cheated on by her husband, Jupiter(Zeus)despite her not ever cheating on him. She punished her rivals and their children...especially Hercules(Heracles). I really don't feel Venus fits very well with Libra and 7th house.


I don't believe Chiron rules any signs. It's not even a planet. I never agreed with any connection with Taurus and the moon. So many astrologers have different ideas. I didn't feel right Chiron being thought as ruler of Virgo nor rulership of any other sign. I always felt Ceres was way underrated. It's much larger than Chiron,but Chiron gets a lot more respect from astrologers. Now it seems that astronomoers are considering to give Ceres a lot more respect than Chiron.


very ironic heh

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posted August 16, 2006 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I found something online that seems to support my theory about Ceres being a good fit for Virgo as ruler.

Virgo is sometimes identified as Ceres, the Goddess of Fields and Growing Crops and in general all agricultural activity. Sometimes, however, Ceres is personified as Proserpina, Ceres' beautiful daughter, the Wheat Bearing Maiden, who was also Jupiter's daughter. It was this beauty which brought trouble to Proserpina. One day the God of the Underworld, Pluto (Hades), was having a ride in his black chariot, pulled by black horses, to have a look at the fields of Springtime as they gradually started to come into bud. It so happened that Proserpina was gathering flowers with her friends in the fields, and when Pluto noticed her he was so impressed by her tender beauty that he swiftly abducted her in his chariot and hurried back to the dark place, the world of the wraiths and the dead. Ceres was in utter despair and vainly sought her daughter, over all lands and over all seas, never relaxing her search, and she decided to have nothing further to do with the crops until she found Proserpina. So it happened that everything died, nothing would grow, and the Earth was threatened with a worldwide famine. This Jupiter could not tolerate. He ordained that Pluto should allow Proserpina to be with Ceres for six months of each year in the Upperworld and that she could spend the other six months with Pluto in the Underworld. This is why we can see the constellation of Virgo from March until August, during the months when the grain and other crops grow, ripen and are harvested. From August to the following March, Virgo is invisible; at that time the fields lie barren because Ceres weeps when separated from her daughter Proserpina. [NPS p.157].
http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/Virgo.html

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posted August 16, 2006 10:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only planet for me in Aquarius:>

What about other Knowflakes Ceres placements?

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posted August 16, 2006 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Call me crazy but I always thought of Ceres as having that moon/venus theme-so I would assign it to Taurus-if it were me (maybe I'm wrong). Chiron is the one I'm not too sure about.

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posted August 16, 2006 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought of Ceres as being earthy. It is the goddess of the harvest. Ceres was considered an earth mother goddess. I never thought of her as anything to do with a watersign. Virgo can be very helpful and caring. It's the sign associated with service. I feel that Ceres is also practical too. With those things in mind,I believe that Virgo is a good fit for Ceres. I believe that Cancer would be a good fit for Ceres' placement of exaltation.

Another thing to keep mind is that Saturn was said to be an agricultural god. He was pictured holding a sickle. This was a parent who was so controlling that he devoured his children because he wanted remain lord of the Universe. He overthrew his father Uranus and cut off his gonads. He in turn was overthrown by his children led by his son,Jupiter. Talk about having control issues! Of course,you see the karma in that story.

It would make sense for Ceres to be fall in Capricorn,the sign ruled by Saturn who was a poor parent.

hahahahahaa!

Virgo is said to be a worrier...right?

Don't you think Ceres was worried sick over losing her daughter, Proserpina after Pluto abducted her?

hahahahaa!

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posted August 16, 2006 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason I think of Ceres as being lunar/venusian-ish is because I always thought of Ceres as being nurturing; a trait associated with both Taurus and Cancer (in different ways though). I don't think I can diagree with the Virgo theory either though. I think that Virgo is probably a very responsible placement for Ceres (plus, mom's a virgo ). And, the Madonna is often associated with the sign Virgo (Jesus with Pisces).

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posted August 16, 2006 11:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what is said about Ceres,having a Virgo asc, it makes sense to me. I am a pup when it comes to the planets.

Where can I get a chart that contains Ceres?

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posted August 16, 2006 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another thing

My Sun is in Scorpio in the tropical zodiac, but it is in the constellation of Virgo even though it is in Libra in the Sidereal
Zodiac. after all, Scorpio is actually a very small constellation,and Virgo is actually the largest of the zodiac constellations.

I find it interesting that my Sun is in the constellation of Virgo that is connected to Ceres/Persephone story and is in the tropical zodiac sign,Scorpio and disposited by Pluto the husband of Persephone.

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posted August 17, 2006 12:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a good point. When Hades/Pluto abducts Persephone, it is her mum that does the hard work to get her back and stunts agriculture. She basically blackmails Zeus into getting Persephone back so he sends Hermes to convince Hades to give her back.. but he still has a trick up his sleave and gets her to eat while in the underworld, so she's bound to it for a third of the year I think it was. But she lives with her mum (Ceres) the rest of the year, on Mt. Olympus. I guess, it's almost as if Ceres and Hades have a contract over Persephone. They each have her for a certain part of the year.

Though I'm not sure Ceres would've liked Hades much, considering the circumstances. She wanted he daughter back. He was the kidnapper. It wouldn't be a smooth relationship.. though I don't think they ever actually meet in mythology. But there is definitely a connection there. I wonder what this is going to mean for Ceres/Pluto synastry lol It’d be an interesting aspect to have.

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About the Taurus/Venus thing.. I'm divided because on the one hand I agree completely with Taurus being sensual and very Venusian. I see Taurus as Aphrodite. But I can't see Venus as Taurean in her relationship with Ares/Mars. It seems as though they almost *should* be opposites.. the way Scorpio/Taurus are. Scorpio was ruled by Mars up until Pluto was found and now Pluto is considered a higher octave of Mars. Maybe there is a higher octave of Venus out there for Taurus (Scorpio's opposite). That way the Venus/Mars thing would go to Libra/Aries (with an opposite undertone)..and the Pluto/other planet would go to a higher deeper (spiritual) octave of the more physical Mars/Venus interaction.

I'm not sure though, just theorizing.. what do you think Glaucus?

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posted August 17, 2006 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here is more information about the constellation of Virgo.

General:

Virgo is the 6th sign of the zodiac; the sun passes through this constellation from late september to the end of october. It is the second largest constellation in the sky (the largest is Hydra). The most outstanding Virgo Supercluster of galaxies is located on the northern border of Virgo reaching into the neighbouring constellation of Coma Berenices. The brightest galaxies can be located with small telescopes as faintly glowing patches of light. This supercluster is about 65 million lightyears away. (Because its lying half in Coma Berenices it is often referred as Virgo-Coma Supercluster.)

http://www.seds.org/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/virgo.html

Virgo is the only female constellation of the zodiac and was seen as a deity for many centuries by many cultures. She was seen by the Romans as Astraea the goddess of justice, by the Babylonians as the fertility goddess of Ishtar, and by the Greeks as Demeter, goddess of the harvest. Virgo is pictured in drawings holding an ear of wheat, or carrying a scale (the adjoining constellation of Libra).
http://ring.mithec.com/sarir/virgo.html

The Maiden.
Named for the Greek goddess Demeter, the Earth-goddess, and is associated with the arrival of spring and bringer of the growing season. Hades, the God of the Underground, fell in love with Demeter's daughter, Persephone. He promised himself that he would marry Persephone, making her his queen. Demeter would not stand for this. One day Hades, in a black chariot drawn by four great black horses in golden harness and reins, rode up to Persephone and carried the girl off with him back to the Underworld. Demeter became worried when her daughter did not return home. She sent out to search for her daughter. Demeter searched with out food or sleep. When Zeus pleaded with her to return to Olympus and accept Persephone's marriage to Hades, she refused and continued her search. People everywhere were starving and could not understand how their Earth-goddess could be so cruel. Zeus sent Hermes, Messenger of the gods, to visit Hades and tell him that Persephone must return with him. Hades, knowing that the gods of heaven were stronger than he, agreed to let Persephone go. There was a happy reunion, but Persephone told her mother that she loved her husband Hades. Zeus solved the problem by saying that Persephone would spend half of her time in the Underworld with Hades and the other half on Olympus with her mother. In this way, winter comes when Persephone goes down to the Underworld to be with Hades. When Persephone returns to Olympus, the winter cloak of death melts and there is a rebirth of life over the land and the crops begin to grow.
bullet Virgo usually is shown carrying two sheaves of wheat, one of which is marked by the bright star Spica, whose name comes form the Latin and means ear of wheat, or corn.
Known as Ishtar by the Babylonians. And also was known to the Sumerians.
The Egyptians knew Virgo as Isis, the Goddess of Fertility.
The Hindus looked at Virgo as Kauni, or "the Maiden."
The Persians called her Khosha, or "the Ear of Wheat."
The Hebrews called her Bethulah, meaning "Abundance in Harvest."
http://www.coldwater.k12.mi.us/lms/planetarium/myth/virgo.html


Virgo is the second largest constellation (after Hydra). As a member of the Zodiac, Virgo has a number of ancient myths and tales. The Sun passes through Virgo in mid-September, and is therefore the constellation that announces the harvest.

Virgo is often represented as a "maiden" (as its name indicates). In antiquity, she may have been Isis, the Egyptian protectress of the living and the dead and the principal mother goddess.

She was also Ishtar of the Sumerian-Chaldean civilisations, or "Inanna", meaning Queen of Heaven. Inanna is described by Kramer (The Sumerians) as an ambitious, aggressive, and demanding goddess of love.

In Roman times the goddess Ceres was depicted: the goddess of the growth of food plants and harvests, and particularly corn. Her festival was in the second week of April, the same time that the constellation appears in the Spring skies.

The Romans had simply adopted an earlier Greek goddess, Demeter. This goddess of agriculture was of the highest birth: born to Cronus and Rhea, she was the sister of Zeus. As evidence of her antiquity in Greek lore, her name has been found on a tablet from Pylos dating to the thirteenth century B.C.

Demeter was said by Homer to have "lain with Iasion in a thrice-plowed field", the result of which was the birth of Plutus, whose name translates as "riches from the soil" (perhaps "cornucopia" would be an appropriate description).

The goddess was depicted then, as now, as carrying a sheaf of wheat. But her influence carried not only to cereal crops, but to all kinds of food crops. Not surprisingly, perhaps, she was also the goddess of health, and of births and marriages.

A ceremony held in her honour in ancient Greece was called Proarktouria, which possibly indicates that the festivities were held just before the rising of Arcturus. However the name may instead make reference to the constellation Virgo, which in fact rises just before the star Arcturus.

http://www.dibonsmith.com/vir_con.htm


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posted August 17, 2006 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teaselbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What about other Knowflakes Ceres placements?

I have Ceres in Aries, conjunct my Chiron/Sun and Mercury in the sixth house.

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Call me crazy but I always thought of Ceres as having that moon/venus theme-so I would assign it to Taurus-if it were me (maybe I'm wrong). Chiron is the one I'm not too sure about.

Dulce, Moses at Astrology For The Soul once said in his newsletter that he thinks of Ceres as Moon, Venus and Jupiter all rolled into one. (at least I think it was him).

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posted August 17, 2006 01:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmmmm, honestly I never did pay much atention to Ceres in my chart - She is in my 12th house conj Saturn in Taurus. I'm not sure what a Taurus Ceres does......lol..the energies seem hidden on mine

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