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astro junkie
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posted August 19, 2006 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personal observation regarding people around me who have a strong Pisces influence. They are much better at molding their ideas, their stances, their opinions based on what others are saying, thinking, feeling. That's no surprise, Mutables, hey .... and it's a Watery Mutable at that ...

If this sounds at all like you, what do you feel are the benefits in being this way? What is at the end of the proverbial rainbow for you, and is the benefit shortlived? Or is it something tangible you can carry around with you always?

Thanks.

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posted August 19, 2006 06:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I know what you mean. Having Neptune in the 12th and 1st, I can describe a few ways I do this.

1. When I go to work on my sewing as a side project I know from what I hear and see in my memory what people really want and I sew accordingly. I hang up models in my house and invite people over.

They see exactly what they wanted but couldn't describe.

2. People I know send me articles and websites on painting techniques. I copy these to my memory, and try these out on canvas. I cover my walls with these experiments when someone comes over I make a sale of at least one and I am confident of the sale because I know it's a popular technique based on the interest of the people who sent me the articles.

3. I am good at figuring out intentions.

4. I know when I need to buckle down, stop playing and work on my real life agenda. I pick up cues from others and stop in the middle of the day to make contact by phone with those friends I need to commit to emotionally to make my life work.

Otherwise I would drift away by distraction and get moved around.

5. I am extremely suggestible to new ideas so I limit my exposure to the possibilities. I stop dreaming and start thinking by picking up sewing, playing chess with a friend, calling someone etc..

6. I exercise to keep myself away from sloth, temptation and chocolate (big with pisces).

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posted August 19, 2006 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, hmmmm.

Honestly I do not know where I get things or how I am influenced. As I have remarked in another thread the term "Piscean relativity" seems to describe me, meaning that I tend to accept things for how they are just cause they are, I need not probe to the depths for reason, it just really does not matter--mutable water at it's finest! I guess this is the reason I have never pondered why I accept things just "cause."

I have used this anaolgy in the past to describe my relativity: I could be driving down the street and come upon a huge tree in the road with a car in the top of the tree and I may remark, "wow", but I really would not care what happened, how it happened, etc. The tree with the car in it, in the middle of the road is there just because it is!

I am extrealmy ok with others' ideas, feelings, etc. I never understood healthy debate and loathe arguing! I live in a world all my own and it suits me quite well!

I go with the flow only to the extent of living and letting live, I do not conform, so to speak, but do not go against either, but this is my high Aqua influence talking.

I have Pisces sun/Venus in the 4th and Saturn in an early degree of Aqua, with Jupiter, Mars and Mercury sitting like ducks in a row in Aqua in the 3rd. Scorpio Asc and you would think a Taurus moon in the 6th would ground me a bit, but not really, it widely opposes Neptune in the 12th!

So in answer to your query, I suppose I am quite the natural at melding others' energies with my own and do not even know I am doing it. It is comfortable enough for me because it is me! But the end of the line probably occurs when someone tries to impress their stuff on me, then all that Aqua influence kicks in and I turn and slap the waters with my fish tail and off I go, to someplace where I can enjoy me relativity!

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posted August 19, 2006 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW

I tend to infuriate people when I say

"WHATEVER!"

that is me

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posted August 19, 2006 11:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Benefits, hmm I never thought of that. Not sure if below abstract thoughts are helpful to you.

In my case (Pisces Sun), I think it is more of not wanting to hurt others (or cross) by opposing it. Maybe opposing it would make others feel bad about me. And acting this way (going with the flow) just comes natural to me (don’t want to generalize to all Pisces, unless most feel this way). Maybe we keep others in front of ourselves – selfless service.

Other reason could be, like I am not sure of myself that I accept what others say (unless I am very sure and confident about something I would accept others view at least in front of them – internally I would be unsure of both). Also I think most things discussed are not important that I need to argue/oppose it. Or maybe internally I feel I am right, so whats the big deal that I need to prove it someone else by crossing others. It makes no difference if other one is right or wrong. What is there to achieve? Just Ego gratification. All things have evolved from one single truth/reality which no one knows, so it makes no difference by such trivial pursuits of life. Nothing to win, nothing to loose – being in harmony. Also, I think, some of the things which we think might be so abstract that we don’t feel comfortable discussing with others. While the other things are not important to us, that we have little significance of it (from spiritual point of view)
Yeah, some cases I would oppose thinking that my thoughts would be beneficial in some way. Still based on reaction of others I would leave the matter as it is as I then feel that people learn by themselves (if at all they are making some mistake).

Hippichik,
Yep, accept the things (rather people) as just they are. Things happen.
Interesting about the car on top of tree. Recently one colleague in my office fainted. When someone told me about that in front of that person. My reaction was nothing, neither facial expression nor any thoughts in mind. And the person who told me seeing this exclaims, no reaction its like, for you people faint everyday. I just smiled. My reasoning is like whats the point, some cause would be there which I have already thought about like she is weak and that caused the event. Maybe we just understand things better (maybe right/wrong) that we don’t require to go about making a fuss about it.
(Sometimes I feel is it due to my slowlessness of grasping of things. I sometimes take time to digest what others say, like having something else in mind and the things said is lost at that moment)

And as you see I have used ‘maybe’ in above thoughts – again maybe ( ) this comes from my thoughts that I can never be sure of certain things, as no one other than the Creator knows the reality/truth. If we can’t understand the source of all the things in life, we are unsure of everything.

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posted August 19, 2006 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't so much have a strong Pisces influence (only have Vertex and Venus there) as I do a strong Mutable influence (Moon, Venus, Vertex, and angles all in mutable signs).

I tend to pick things up from people (like a way of speaking, certain words, etc.) without really thinking about it. It's not so much that I look for it to be validated as I just mimic it without thinking.

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posted August 19, 2006 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Villy

I like your story about the person fainting. I would have reacted the same way (and I am a RN!)

I think the non-reaction we convey is that we intuit things and do not have to act or think or do.

And sometimes I get darn tired of people questioning my lack of response. It does not mean we do not care, we just operate at a different level.

I sure am gald there are others here who "get this!"

Thanks AJ for starting this thread!

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Miss Saturn
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posted August 20, 2006 03:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have a lot of water in my chart - I have Sun, Moon, Mercury and South Node all in Pisces.

My Moon/Mercury conjunction in Pisces squares my Neptune in 4th.

I am excellent at reading people, and lately I feel I have returned a lot more to my feeling energies again sensing things a bit more. I had closed them off for a long time. Although still very sensitive and emotional I kind of shut off my intuition. A little in fear of it.

It was only yesterday morning when I went to the shops with my baby. I was standing behind a woman while I was waiting to be served. I picked up energy from her I immediately felt uncomfortable with.

Well the woman got served left and came back a couple of minutes later accusing me of robbing her purse. She pulled my coat open and was putting her hands into my pockets. I told her I had not been near her, and I certainly had not robbed her.

I didn't want trouble because I was out by myself with my son. I personally think if I had my purse on me she would have robbed me seeing me as an easy victim. Probably pulling a scam. I must give off this aura or something, easy target this may have to with the strong Neptune in my chart.

I definately felt something was going to happen before it happened. I am not psychic in that I can predict things happening, I just feel it, something hits the pit of my stomach. I can look at people and feel what type of person they are. I feel I have absorbed their whole energy and it takes me a good hour or so trying to shake this feeling off.

I can mould myself to different situations without realizing it. I act differently with whoever I am relating to. I sort of get a feel of how they are and merge with them.

I am not saying I don't have my own opinions because I do, I am certainly not a weak liitle fish. Although yes I go with the flow a lot, go wherever the water takes me.

I feel like I am completely in another world sometimes, my mind lives up in the sky somewhere while my body is walking around down here. Sometimes people catch me out when I haven't been listening to them, and have been daydreaming and then I feel really bad, for not paying attention.

But overall I am a very kind sensitive person who feels the pain of others and I try to offer the best comfort I can. I can be the best friend/girlfriend but if you hurt me deeply I will eventually swim away and not look back. I need my sensitivity handled with care.

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Jan_A
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posted August 20, 2006 03:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libras go with the flow and not Pisces.

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Miss Saturn
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posted August 20, 2006 04:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

oops forgot to answer the question Astro Junkie posed. See head in the air again.

I would say the benefits of being so Mutable/Watery is the ability to mould to other people and knowing where they are coming from. Giving a sympathetic ear.

You can also put ideas to people and relate to them which suits their energy so I feel ideas are better received.

The benefit of a strong Piscean will come if you use your energy and ground it. Amazing potential when you are able to achieve this. Otherwise the downfall to this is just going with the flow, and never finding real direction.

What's at the end of the rainbow for us water babies - I hope for me a sensitive young woman who cares deeply and will reach out a helping hand to those in need. But to help constructively without being pulled under into the troubled waters with whoever I am trying to help.

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posted August 20, 2006 05:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Jan_A

I'm a Libra and would love if you could expand on your statement that "Libra's go with the flow and Pisces don't" ...

sthenri -

You sound like you have a much more "thinking" and "problem-solving" influence balanced out with your Neptune influences.

hippichick -

The analogy about the car in the tree is amazing. It all at the same time drives me crazy AND relaxes me to know your reaction. I'm thinking "why does it drive me crazy"? I'm really trying to find a good reason to follow-up with, but I can't. Only that it would not be the same as ME. Other than that, your vibe would just relax me! It seems I used to be more like that when I was younger, and I keep being reminded of that lately and wonder if I could ever go back to being quieter, for my mind to be quieter and more open to my creative hopes. I think Pisces & Libra have something in common, in that they can sort of sit back sometimes while others quack about, knowing there is no sense in the majority of the ruckus. That whether we interject or don't interject, things will fall in their natural place.

But of course, I have "adult" facets to my Chart which needed to be honed in on, and now I want back in!!!

What do you think of that? Can we ever really go back once we let the "adult" in us get just one day of reckoning?

villy -

EXCELLENT portrayal of this Piscean facet! Thank you.


Miss Saturn -

I cannot believe what you said happened to you while standing in line!! What the f*k city did THAT happen in? The lady would NEVER have gotten close enough to me to TOUCH my coat, much less put her hands in my pocket! That's rape! GAWD! that story just bugs me to no end! Guess that's why I'm reaching for some of that Piscean flow ...

I like what you said about being so sympathetic, just not to your detriment, right? Right ....

And I love what you said about

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You can also put ideas to people and relate to them which suits their energy so I feel ideas are better received.


As a writer who still struggles with casual verbal communication, I'm going to take it to heart. Thank you. I know that those times when I allow myself to be in that zone, at some point, I feel I need to assert myself so I'm not picked on.


Question To all --

The other thing I often wonder is, if there is a someone with strong Piscean traits in a position of power, WHO cleans up after their loose ends, and WHY should anyone have to do so? Especially if their "relativity" has created a huge disaster in their wake? How would you with Piscean influences even begin to address that?

Soooooo much wanting to understand.

THANK YOU

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posted August 20, 2006 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AJ

We HAVE to go back, to 4get--somewhat-- the "adult" to honor the "inner child" to let go.

The term "adult" in today's society (atleast in the USA) comes with all kinds of expectations and implications. Not to say to regress to a more immature frame of mind, quite the contrary, just to go back to more simplicity, more of a connection to whatever it is out there that we all feel SO connected to but yet so disconnected.

WE clean up after our loose ends... OMG I expereince this each and every day in my life. Liz Greene addresses the "shadow" of Pisces very well, the exact contex escapes me as of present, but I will re-read as soon as I get off line and relate more to come! It has something to do with "power" and Pisceans employing others to do their "bidding."

So you are a Libra? My late husband was a Libra who took his own life while we were going through a divorce. Again, Piscean relativity, it was his choice and I have never much pondered the whys and wherefores, does not really matter, he just did it---am I really driving you crazy now? Anyway, maybe you can help me to understand what he was thinking about my lack of thinking!!!

In my experience Libras and Pisces get along quite well and I have always been quite smitten with the Scales, but I have a real soft spot for the Air signs anyway with my great Aqua influence!

And I will note here that in my experience Air and Water in the natal chart as well as in synastry is AWESOME!!!!! (HSC will attest to that!) Or maybe I am being partial since I am so much of both. But I would rather think that it is a reflection of The Age Of Pisces transition into the Age OF Aquarius! Hmmm another topic!!!

Sending Peace, LOVE and Light

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posted August 20, 2006 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AJ

As promised

Food 4 thought.......

Liz Greene says "Outward passivity is a dangerous animal, since the will has to go someplace. And so every so often you see it break out, and encounter strange Pisceans like Attaturk and Julius Caesar, who, unlimited as always, must conquer the world........"If a sensitive Pisces is brutalized enough--and they often are, for people tend to see in them the reflections of their own feared weakensses and vunlerability--then he may turn to cruelty for an outlet..."

Like I said, food for thought, I will ponder some more. I have experienced this in my personal life.......and I do not like it....

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posted August 20, 2006 10:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me and Libras, same here:>

I learned to express myself through a Libra who was my first long term relationship.

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posted August 20, 2006 10:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoooooo ....

That was so awesome hippichick. Thank you. The Liz Greene

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Food 4 thought.......

Liz Greene says "Outward passivity is a dangerous animal, since the will has to go someplace. And so every so often you see it break out, and encounter strange Pisceans like Attaturk and Julius Caesar, who, unlimited as always, must conquer the world........"If a sensitive Pisces is brutalized enough--and they often are, for people tend to see in them the reflections of their own feared weakensses and vunlerability--then he may turn to cruelty for an outlet..."



This may be the crux of the grail ...

And YES! you really ARE driving me crazy with regards to your Libran husband! Not that I question your love for each other for one New York second, but well, I'm resigned to say it is either my Scorpio Stellium in the 6th, or my Venus/Pluto Conjunction in Virgo giving me ulcers over here ...

What you said about Air going well with Water is so true, probably because after Water, Air seems to carry around a lot of sensitivity. I'll agree the Age transition you speak of might give us a well-needed shove, but if not in public, then in private.

I'm getting there ...

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posted August 20, 2006 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AJ,

Not sure if I understood your query "WHO cleans up after their loose ends". It wud be good to have some example or a context.

Do you mean - acting indifferently after behaving in certain manner... as recently after confronting a female of my feelings and getting a negative response from her, I have been keeping myself at a distance from her. The reason being if someone doesn't have anything for you, I think, I shouldn't be troubling her anymore (and also encouraging my own feelings).
Besides that I would still be having feelings for her being in proximity to her; and if it is not going to go anywhere why to keep hurting myself with my own feelings.
Another reason being its like a feeling of falling down in front of someone. So getting away is better option without causing trouble to others (though I would always have to courage to face her and not run away, if things don't work out.)

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posted August 21, 2006 01:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AJ,

I'm not sure I know what you mean when you asked "The other thing I often wonder is, if there is a someone with strong Piscean traits in a position of power, WHO cleans up after their loose ends, and WHY should anyone have to do so? Especially if their "relativity" has created a huge disaster in their wake? How would you with Piscean influences even begin to address that?"

But as far as being mutable, I find that I have more freedom to move around, e.g. When my mom was dying I was able to give my son the lease on my apartment, move in with my parents, and care for her til she passed.

I have the abiliity to put any crisis on the back burner emotionally, so I can deal with the situation at hand. When my grand daughter needed stitches I was the one who had to hold her legs down & comfort her. My daughter couldn't deal with being in the room.

As far as "molding" myself to others, I guess I see it more as taking in things of other people & then it becomes a part of me. Music is a good example. I love most forms of music. Some came from friends & family. As I heard more, I began to listen to it on my own.

I can say that I am a (Jeff Foxworthy) redneck, a geek, a homegirl & a lady. All because I can incorporate diversity into my soul. Home is where I hang my hat.

I am able to see many sides of a situation, and then choose what works for me. I can also put myself in other ppls shoes & empathize in most cases.

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posted August 21, 2006 02:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, astro junkie!
You know, Libras tend to "agree" with everybody,everytime and everywhere. I think,Libras don't have their own opinion pretty often ,so, they go with the flow. I'm not a professor of psychology, but to my mind you have described yourself and not Pisces in your statement.
P.S. I have Mercury and Venus in Aries plus Moon in Capricorn, so, i am not a big fan of Libras , but thank you for welcome anyhow, astro junkie.

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Ah! ... there seems to be confusion over the "who cleans up after their loose ends" stuff.

Well, it's my confusion, you see. I'm never fully sure if the Pisces overlooked something. That kind of thing. If it helps to see it from a Virgo perspective, go ahead, cz you'd think with the ton of Water in my Chart wouldn't be struggling with this. But it's something my meticulous Virgo'ish qualities just cannot help but notice ... any loose ends.

I'm really wanting to know how from a Pisces perspective, you deal with such a situation from a fellow Piscean. OK, so it's obvious how I'm attempting to deal with it, but how does one Pisces deal with the other Pisces. Or you just never notice loose ends, period?

Still searching for more if it's there... Thanks.

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Hi Astrojunkie,

I think with this "lady" who assaulted me while I was waiting in line at the shops probably represents to me what weak boundaries I do have. She should never have laid her hands on me. It is really pointing out to me that I need to create my personal boundaries where a line should not be crossed.

The night before the lady assaulted me, there was a nasty attack outside my front door, a gang of boys were beating an older man. They also had a dog pinning the man down, during this attack.

I was disgusted at what I had seen and quite shaken for a while. I am currently having transiting Pluto square my Mercury (Mercury is my chart Ruler) at the moment - I am being exposed to the underworld of society.

One good thing has come out of this, I have decided I shall move out of this area. If this is the reflection of my world I don't want it anymore.

I have Neptune in the 4th squaring my Moon/Mercury. And where I have lived for the past 6yrs is full of junkies. Talk about spaced out Neptune in my 4th house. I may be wrong about Neptune in the 4th receiving squares reflecting this home environment. But I do feel I don't belong here anymore. It is not the most positive place to live. Pluto is showing me what needs to be transformed in my life.

So this Pisces can no longer go with the flow anymore, it is not doing me any good or getting me anywhere. My indecisiveness will have to go too, because I have a child to think about. I will gain the strength to change my life find direction and stand on my own two feet. My boundaries will no longer be crossed like this again. I know the journey to where I want to be will take a lot of hard work (Saturn in 1st) but I will at least take the first step and carry on from there.

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JAN: Libras tend to agree with everyone and everything???
I beg to differ. I live with a LIbra and they are VEry opinionated people. They cant seem to make up there minds but they sure love to debate and DISagree with everyone and everything quite often. !!
ANYONE ELSE AGREE WITH ME?

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Well, I think each person can overlook certain things (nothing to do with Pisces I guess)

I think most times I would notice most of the things, however that may not result in response due to either lack of interest or I would assume certain things and keep it inside me or would feel that it is not of significant to ponder upon/discuss. In fact I don’t have any planets in Virgo and I feel I try to strive for perfection (giving importance to minor points n all) and most times I feel others way of working doesn’t live upto my expectations.

On the other hand if someone does a mistake, I don’t openly convey that the person has done a mistake, I convey it in passive manner (trying to not make the other person bad that I am pointing out mistakes). One of the reason could be that I feel, I find small mistakes that I am not sure if the other person gives importance to such pointing of small mistakes.

And if a fellow Piscean overlooks something, it would hardly matter to me. If it is something which still needs to be conveyed, I will convey it once and if he is not interested leave it over there (everyone has his own likes-dislikes, that’s my philosophy … probably Piscean nature).

Hope you find what you are searching for.

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I always have this inner struggle between my Piscean side and my Virgoan side. There is a major tug of war inside me.

Like I have said sitting on the right of my chart in Pisces is my Sun, Moon, Mercury and South Node in 7th house. With my Moon/Mercury square Neptune in 4th just to add even more water to me. My Neptune also squares my South Node.

On the left I have my Ascendant Virgo with Saturn sitting conjunct my Virgo Ascendant. My North Node in Virgo but also squaring my Neptune.

It is a whole life lesson for me to balance my water with some order and organization. And maybe learn to complete a task for once in my life. I drive myself mad with all this inner tension. I have even been thinking about writing out a list of all the things I need to do through the week. I have done this before but end up bored with it and give up and go back to my old ways.

What does make things worse is I do have this perfectionism within me and I shall start a task and take ages doing it just trying to perfect it, and then not really getting much else done. And then I feel it is not perfect enough and drop the task altogether.

I think I will have to examine myself and read up more on my challenge of integrating the Virgo and Pisces within me.

It is hard to keep it up in the long run. I suppose it is because the Virgo energy is very new to me and my Pisces energy has been associated with me for so long. I will have to learn new ways of doing things and continually do them until they become more internalised and natural for me.

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Wow Miss Saturn -- just remember that Opposites have many things in common, and with Virgo/Pisces, one of those things is being a perfectionist. That's why I'm still struggling with what has turned out to be the "loose ends" thread.

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