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Kamilla
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posted September 18, 2006 10:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone feel some sort of discord between their Sun and Moon signs?

I have Sun in Sagittarius in 5th House and Moon in Libra in 4th House. While these are good placements by itself they don't blend very well. At least, not for me... part of me is diplomatic homebuddy in constant need of secure home and commited partner and the other part is roaming free spirit in never ending search for "sourcerer stones" and intense love affairs.

For some reason I have been feeling this more than ever lately. Probably because I have Sun square Moon in my progressed chart right now. Can anyone relate?

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Azalaksh
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posted September 18, 2006 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
10-4 Good HomeBuddy Me! Me! I can relate!! My nSun in Libra and nMoon in Pisces are exactly quincunx -- less than 20 minutes. Throw in the Leo Asc sextile one and quincunx the other and you have a recipe for..... what?? I don't know yet!! I always feel like my intellectual Libra Sun is always trying to disengage emotional Pisces Moon from the steering wheel (which is often a good thing so I don't drown in the strong emotions of others) -- the Lioness is just along for the ride and to growl at anyone who gets cheeky

But seriously, the natal Sun/Moon quincunx is not an easy one for me. I vacillate. This interp from one report fits quite well:
There is an ongoing, subtle conflict within you, between your conscious attitudes and aspirations, and your deeper emotional and subconscious beliefs, needs, and feelings. This creates considerable inner stress and sometimes paralyzing indecision, mostly due to the fact that you may be trying to follow a path that is at odds with your subconscious desires. Chronic tightness or tension in your body may well be a signal that you are denying or suppressing the messages from your subconscious or emotional self. Ideally, you will learn to accept the two quite different aspects of yourself and to express both of them. If you cannot do this, you're apt to attract many people into your life who reflect your denied or repressed qualities, and who seem to make your life difficult.

You've probably read about Sun sq Moon (your progressed positions) already.....

Just wanted to traipse on in here and give you some warm fuzzies!!

Zala

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astro junkie
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posted September 19, 2006 04:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kamilla -

I was going to say the same thing, cz of what I've been reading recently regarding the Quincunx.

"... The planets and points involved in a quincunx don't understand each other. Unless it's an out-of-sign quincunx, the signs not only are of a different element, they are also of a different modality. For example, take Leo-Pisces. Leo is Fixed Fire, while Pisces is Mutable Water. It's difficult to see common ground between the signs.

Some keywords that describe quincunxes are: redirecting, challenging, requiring adjustments, diverting.

... people with quincunxes tend to compartmentalize the two areas of life indicated by the planets and points involved."


If you don't have that going on in a significant place in your Chart, then look into the comparison you posted "Sun Sag in 5th/Moon Libra in 4th" ...

If you don't at least check to see if the Quincunx applies, you'll overlook it if it does.

I can relate to some of the challenge between Houses.


(Source: www.cafeastrology.com/articles/inconjunctaspects.html

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shirty
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posted September 19, 2006 07:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun Sag Moon Gemini here.. complementary you say? Also opposing ><

I just haven't learned to handle these two yet..

I'm working on it though.. always working..

I feel you!

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Kamilla
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posted September 19, 2006 12:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I made a mistake. My progressed Sun and Moon are 103 degrees apart. Way too much for a square. However, while I don't have any quincunx aspects in my natal chart, there are three in my progressed chart Sun/Pluto, Moon/Venus and Jupiter/Mars. Add Mars/Sun conj. Saturn oppositin and no wonder I am a basket case...

Honestly, I am not quite clear of relation between Natal Chart, Progressions and Transits. And adding Returns to the equation makes thigns even more confusing How to determine which themes are more prominent than others?

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Yang
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posted September 19, 2006 12:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the opposite signs as you Kamilla, but different houses. I have Sun Libra in 2nd house, while my Moon is in Sag in 5th house. I think my wanting of freedom and being a free spirit comes out more often than wanting to stay at "home".

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Dulce Luna
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posted September 19, 2006 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes! My cancer sun/7th and virgo moon/8th most certainly do not go together even though they may be supposedly "harmonious" by sign.


*Never had an easy time expressing my emotions and I swing back and forth between moods. I tend to overanalyze things too instead of listening to my "inner voice". I have that fight between the head and heart thing going on just like most of you have described.

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starflower
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posted September 19, 2006 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes definitely.

Sun in Aqua in 6th
Moon in Cancer in 12th -
Sun oppos Moon 0 degrees 35- The cool logic of Aquarius does constant battle with my emotional, over-sensitive crab moon.
I'm in constant turmoil between my head and my attempts to be rational, and my emotions which are very deep.

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lalalinda
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posted September 19, 2006 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here you go Kamilla
see if this doesn't help a little
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/BookKarmaHouse5.htm

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nove731
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posted September 20, 2006 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sun/Moon combo is honestly so cooperative that I can't tell the difference between my Sun and my Moon! (Sun - Aries; Moon - Sagittarius)

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posted September 20, 2006 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an Aqu sun and Libran moon and its tough, a constant fight between independence and freedom and being with someone. This is despite the harmony supposedly between the two signs.

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ilsgb
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posted September 20, 2006 05:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i feel my sun and moon are not a combo that is complementary. sun virgo in 3rd house and moon gemini in 11th house. both are ruled by mercury which is a good thing but i can be fickle at times in my reaction to things and find it hard to relax.

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Kamilla
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posted September 20, 2006 07:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lalalinda

Great site. Thank you

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firelights
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posted September 20, 2006 11:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
like axalaksh, my sun in libra and moon in pisces are exactly quincunx...and i feel pulled in different directions all the time. and the sag asc is sqaure the moon too...
i have a tough time expressing emotions...
what it does give are two completely different ways of looking at things, and its gift are those rare moments when you're not looking for clarity or direction, just a consciousness of more than one.

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BlueEyes24
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posted September 20, 2006 12:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my sun in Virgo (9th house) & moon in Scorpio (11th house). Even though those signs are sextile, it's a hard combo to have. I always had trouble expressing my emotions as I was growing up.

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Leopricorn
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posted September 20, 2006 08:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sun and Moon are exactly Quincunx. I'm not too sure I know what it means though.

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DayDreamer
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posted September 22, 2006 01:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sun is in Aqua, and Moon in Pisces, and I think these two work well together...feeling more comfortable with the Pisces side...was too much for me to handle when I was young.

What's your experience with Sun opposite Moon.

I know three boys with this configuration, and have noticed they're much more emotionally dependent than most...or maybe it's just something else in their charts?

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Kamilla
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posted September 22, 2006 07:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is some info on Sun-Moon opposition that might be helpful

Karen Hamaker-Zondag:
The uncertainty generated by the square arises from the fact that the conscious behavior (Sun) conflicts with the behavior needed to give a sense of security (Moon). Therefore a square between Sun and Moon can make the native very unsettled, especially if the background of the elements is tense.
In the opposition, the kind of uncertainty is different. This opposition makes us painfully aware of our duality. Conscious behavior and unconscious reaction patterns clash with one another, yet always have something in common because the signs in which they are posited lie on the same axis. Therefore, when they are in opposition, the Sun and Moon can complement one another well once they make common cause. Until such time as they do (and this may take quite a while), the native will suffer from a nagging sense of discomfort and insecurity.
In either case, the native is inclined to adopt a certain form of behavior to the virtual exclusion of its alternative, and so the latter seeks to express itself indirectly. But if he does give both forms of behavior a chance, he generally ends up feeling like 'two individuals rolled into one' with first one, then the other in the forefront. Those around him never know what to expect, and the native feels plagued by inner instability. Usually he has an identiy problem and often wonders which character is the real him, to which the answer is 'both of you'.
The uncertainty can result in many things being left half done, or in perpetual changes of opinion, or in general dissatisfaction with one's performance; in short, a great deal of energy has to be expended on tackling inner insecurity before the native can begin to solve external problems.
Nevertheless, hard Sun-Moon aspects do have considerable energy at their disposal. The uncertainties and the obstacles produced by their tension compel the native, sooner or later, to start sorting things out. The tension between the Sun and Moon send him in search of answers to such questions as 'Who am I?', 'What is really implied by the difference between male and female?' and 'What is significant in a relationship?'
It is not uncommon for conflicts between the Sun and Moon to present problems with the life partner. Since, among other things, the Moon represents what a man is looking for in a woman, and the Sun represents what a woman is looking for in a man, the native tends to fall in love with somebody who jars him or her in some way. At the same time, the hard aspects provide sufficient energy to deal with any problems that may arise. The latter are usually caught in time because, being so insecure, the native is quite sensitive to them and is prepared to work hard to stop them escalating. Therefore it is entirely possible for people with a square between the Sun and the Moon to make happy marriages.

Betty Lundsted:
When a child is born with a square or opposition between the Sun and Moon, some kind of hostility or grief is indicated between the mother and father because the relationship isn't what the parents expected it to be. Whatever the cause, the child picks up the unrest, and it seems to the child that fathers and mothers have conflict. Because emotional responsibility develops in each of us as a result of the parental influence, the person with afflictions between sun and Moon often has more self-doubt regarding relationships than other people. This makes it difficult for the individual to find a comfortable place in the universe. The nurtuting qualities of the Moon are in conflict with the creative self. The person is at odds over what to be and what to feel. When this is exacmined in terms of modes, the conflict may be understood.
When the self responds to life one way and the emotional nature responds to life another, the tug of war between the two often forces a lessening of self-expression as well as an apprehension about expressing feelings. Because we can't ignore either part of the personality, we tend to suppress one side until it bursts forth in some kind of explosion. We then compensate by 'behaving well' until the energy releases again. If we understand that both energies are valid, we can learn a way to express both, and the personality is then at peace with itself.
The conflict between the Sun and Moon indicates a life-long search for identity. Many people who have the square are unhappy. They look for answers by getting into therapy, by looking into religion or philosophy, or use some other means that may help them to understand why they are here in this universe. Although the aspect doesn't bestow happiness, it can lead to a very interesting and spiritually developed life.

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Juno
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posted September 22, 2006 07:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone with a square between sun and moon, it definetly effects his needs verses his desires, It seems to come out mainly in his romantic relationships.Sag sun and Virgo moon.

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posted September 22, 2006 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crabplanet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Cancer Sun and a Capri Moon in opposition: divorced parents from two very different countries. Somehow i managed to blend these two signs and these two cultures. Most of the time, i am in control of my emotions. I can be nurturing, receptive, and very distant, saturnish at the same time. But it took me years to find a balance between these two energies inside of me...

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jenfullmoon
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posted September 22, 2006 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jenfullmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taurus Sun and Sag Moon doesn't really work too well together, I think... the sun wants to be mated and the moon wants freedom, and you just can't get both at once!

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neptune5
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posted September 23, 2006 07:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well yea i'm sun square moon, Sun in sagittarius 3'29 and moon in pisces 8'22, it just makes me oversensitive to any rebuff, but i still feel its a special combination, with any bad there is good.

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DayDreamer
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posted September 24, 2006 11:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Kamilla for posting this info

This is interesting...

None of the people I know with sun-moon opposition have parents that are hostile to one another...I guess it could be subjective and it may appear that way to the person with this in their chart.

Hmmm...I definitely sense some uncertainties, and insecurities...who doesnt have those tho.

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