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geminirising26
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posted September 30, 2006 01:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All!

I was wondering if a person is affected by the following sign on the cusp of their second house if their ascendant is in the last 5 degrees of the sign.

For example my ascendant is on the 26th degree of Gemini, with Cancer on the second house cusp.

Another example is found in the chart of the legendary Cary Grant. According to Astro.com
His ascendant is in Libra at 28 However in some programs (like Astrotheme)his ascendant is in 00 degrees Scorpio. So, would one say that someone with a similar chart would generally have a traits of Libra coupled with Scorpio??

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GeminiLover75
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posted September 30, 2006 01:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No idea... interesting question though! My ascendant is 28 degrees Sagittarius, and I don't particularly view myself as having any Capricorn traits - but who knows, maybe I'm overlooking something!

Edit: Also, just remembered that my boyfriend's ascendant is 28 degrees Aries and I don't see any Taurus traits in him at all... so I'm not sure. I'll ask him if he sees himself that way at all (although I doubt it)!

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posted September 30, 2006 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well your asc falls in the 3rd decanate of Gemini so that means your asc with have an Aquarian feel to it. As for anything else in your first house, eg Cancer, I don't know what the theory says but you'd think it would affect or add to your personality somehow.

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geminirising26
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posted September 30, 2006 01:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I read on Elbert Wade's website about the 3rd decanate. I am the "Aquarius" decanate of Gem rising which apparently, makes me stand out to others....

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posted September 30, 2006 02:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi 26,
usually to say you are on the cusp,3 degrees is about the orb used.the gemini/cancer cusp is one of the most dynamic.to figure out if you are feeling the effects of the cusp,i'd ask one question.do you find yourself atrracted to relationship that are "doomed" at the outset.gemini/cancer cusps are nortorious for seeking devoted sensitive partners[cancer] while not wanting to give up the fredom[gemini].again generally the cusp efect is about 3 degrees before.
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posted September 30, 2006 02:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi geminirising26 ~ I have a 29*Gem rising myself. I think that the ending degrees (as well as the beginning degrees) of any sign do feel, and are aware of the sign next to them. Just like when the seasons change, they do not immediatly cut off and, *poof* we are in the next season. No the changes are gradual, same with the moving into the next sign.

I love Cancers! Most of them, in synastry, do fall in my 1st house. Plus I hae a 4th house Sun.

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posted September 30, 2006 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
heyyyyy geminirising26

me too..i have it 29 degrees gemini, like hexxie..

gonna go check out Elbert Wade's website about the 3rd decanate, thanks

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posted September 30, 2006 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My B-certificate tells me I have Virgo rising @ 0'11 degrees. If I go one minute earlier I have Leo 29'48...Now, most say that you cant ride cusps-> your either one or the other. But in this instance, I feel Leo at times, and Virgo at other. Irregardless- I have affinities to both. It suks in a way because I would like to pin point it with out the see saw. Ya know???

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posted September 30, 2006 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for and     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 30, 2006 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely!!

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geminirising26
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posted September 30, 2006 04:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
William-

That is interesting that you say that about getting into relationships that are doomed. I guess, techinically I do not qualify since I am only 4 not 3 degrees from having a Cancer influence, I do nonetheless find myself attracted to those who are appear to be opposite from me. So those opposite traits that attract repel at the same time-it hardly ever works out. Usually these people are either older, more "mature" and easily less animated than I am.


Hexxie-
I would imagine that you however, definately feel that Cancer influence-you practcally have a Cancer Asc! Have you read what Wade has to say? Do you think it applies to you?

Taurus80-You're welcome!!

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posted October 04, 2006 01:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is something I've brought up too. I have Taurus Asc at 29.50 Degrees. Throughout the years, I've always felt like NONE of the Ascendant interpretations fit me. One never pops out and rings true for me, it's more like a conglomeration of all of them.

Maybe this is the effect of having an "on Cusp" Ascendant. It's hazy, or something.

As time goes on, I can notice the Taurus & Gemini effects on my Ascendant more and more, like I'm becoming more like those than the other interpretions.

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posted October 04, 2006 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have gemini asc in the very last degrees. I fit more the physical attributes of the cancer asc, but I know when people first meet me I come across as gemini. I have all the cancer family first/clingy/nostalgic stuff going on but maybe thats from something else in my chart.

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posted October 06, 2006 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
affected isn't a healthy way to put it, is it?

depends. the sign on the asc is IT. its ruler becomes imp, etc) but

my Asc is at 25AQUA, and the 1st house ends at 16ARI - intercepting the whole Pis in my first. some ppl think i'm a pis, and some other times I even exhibit some aries traits. I do read horoscopes (monthly and yearly) for pis - cos it's accurate (my 2nd is Ari, 3rd tau, etc)

so: how much of the other sign falls into you 1st? there cannot be a rule, but anything less than half a sign shouldn't matter. if more, you get more choices of behaviors. maybe you adjust to situations and ppl

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posted July 30, 2015 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Ascendant is in Gemini 29'4'54" ... I am not sure how I feel about this. Indecisive even now. lol

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posted July 30, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for saggyscorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi! I am investigating this topic myself as well...
I have an Ascendant at 28 Pisces...I have been assured my birth time is accurate (though I did get it from the baby book, not an official document.) I have a hard time deciding whether or not the time is accurate...I identify with some of the Pisces rising traits, but overwhelmingly so with the Aries rising traits. I honestly feel like Aries rising suits me better, but then there are certain qualities that are so Piscean about me, and other than NNode, I don't have anything in Pisces...so...I'm starting to think that if you have your ASC in one sign, but at the very last degrees and the majority of your first house is taken up by the next sign, that it kind of blends the characters of both signs.

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posted July 30, 2015 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for saggyscorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To add...
Then again, I am relatively new at this (have been deep into studying Astrology for about a year and half now)...So I may just be confusing other aspects of my chart with Piscean or Arian qualities...

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posted August 01, 2015 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by geminirising26:
Hi All!

I was wondering if a person is affected by the following sign on the cusp of their second house if their ascendant is in the last 5 degrees of the sign.


Yes. Think of it this way ... The entire 1st house represents the persona as it is embodied in the form of a human being. If we take each house as averaging 30 degrees, and you see that a confirmed accurate chart has 29 degrees Virgo on the Asc, you know the other 29 degrees of that 1st house will be in Libra. Too much to ignore, isn't it?

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For example my ascendant is on the 26th degree of Gemini, with Cancer on the second house cusp.

Another example is found in the chart of the legendary Cary Grant. According to Astro.com
His ascendant is in Libra at 28 However in some programs (like Astrotheme)his ascendant is in 00 degrees Scorpio. So, would one say that someone with a similar chart would generally have a traits of Libra coupled with Scorpio??


Astrotheme has updated his chart to match that showed at ADB. Astrotheme is a follower, not a leader on these things. Notice, however, that this is a B-rated time quote from Grant's biography. No source document or other person is quoted, leaving it with minimal authority. However, if you check the transits for his first marriage (10 Feb 1934, to Virginia Cherrill), you will see quite clearly that 24 Libra is indicated: Jupiter 23 Libra; Pluto 23 Cancer; Uranus 24 Aries, just into the 7th house of partnership. So past about 3 degrees maximum there isn't really this 'cusp' relationship on the Asc.

I can state what the principles are which apply hypothetically to individual's charts as described here. The problem is that most charts are not as accurate on the Asc as people assume. Therefore a quick survey of one's own chart and those close to them will reveal nothing on the matter.

saggyscorp, your story shows your self awareness regarding your personality seen against the backdrop of the rising sign of your chart. Most often, when there is doubt or when there is little or no identification with the rising sign suggested by the given birth time, it is the previous rising sign where the correct Asc will be found. For some, it will be just over into the following rising sign (for some whose b.t. suggests Asc past 20* or so of a sign).

The exact Asc degree of your correct birth horoscope is verifiable, because anything that can be asserted relative to facts and human beings or human's doings CAN be tested. I do it all the time.

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posted August 02, 2015 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well-said.

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posted August 03, 2015 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon's posts usually are.

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posted July 22, 2017 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kewf1988     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Astrotheme has updated his chart to match that showed at ADB. Astrotheme is a follower, not a leader on these things. Notice, however, that this is a B-rated time quote from Grant's biography. No source document or other person is quoted, leaving it with minimal authority. However, if you check the transits for his first marriage (10 Feb 1934, to Virginia Cherrill), you will see quite clearly that 24 Libra is indicated: Jupiter 23 Libra; Pluto 23 Cancer; Uranus 24 Aries, just into the 7th house of partnership. So past about 3 degrees maximum there isn't really this 'cusp' relationship on the Asc.

I can state what the principles are which apply hypothetically to individual's charts as described here. The problem is that most charts are not as accurate on the Asc as people assume. Therefore a quick survey of one's own chart and those close to them will reveal nothing on the matter.

[b]saggyscorp, your story shows your self awareness regarding your personality seen against the backdrop of the rising sign of your chart. Most often, when there is doubt or when there is little or no identification with the rising sign suggested by the given birth time, it is the previous rising sign where the correct Asc will be found. For some, it will be just over into the following rising sign (for some whose b.t. suggests Asc past 20* or so of a sign).

The exact Asc degree of your correct birth horoscope is verifiable, because anything that can be asserted relative to facts and human beings or human's doings CAN be tested. I do it all the time.

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"Cusps" are around 28 and 29 degrees of the sign, while early degrees are purely that sign (the first 10 degrees of Gemini is the Gemini decanate for example). My best friend's mom is a Sagittarius at 27 degrees, and is very obviously a Sagittarius in the way she acts, even with her Moon and Venus in Capricorn (for outer planets she has Pluto at 1 degree Libra and is NOTHING like a Virgo Pluto in any way, and same for my cousin with 27 degrees Libra, as I never felt any Pluto in Scorpio in her). One of my high school classmates is a Taurus at 0 degrees, and has all the Taurus traits, especially the love of the "good life", and one of my college professors is a Leo at 0 degrees and has all the Leo traits, even with Venus in Cancer. A reference:
http://www.astrologyetal.com/changing.html

As for Cancer being nostalgic? Always associated that with Saturn and Neptune in Capricorn, but Venus at 29 degrees Gemini and progressed Sun in Cancer may explain why I've been watching old commercials from the 80s and early 90s on YouTube a lot lately... still don't feel the stereotypical "milk and cookies" Cancer traits at all.

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posted July 23, 2017 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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Gemini plays the role of clever communicator. My sister has this Asc and I enjoy our back/forth whatsapp banter a lot. I also see that it comes across in her Facebook posts i.e. play on words.

Gemini loves to express itself ime with puns,clever qoutes mimicry and the like. Comic relief is usually their forte.

If Mercury opp the Asc , they may be self conscious about expressing themselves. Saturn in opp to Asc may also have them be self critical or shy -seeking approval from others(usually older /"wiser" than they are)

I find that afflictions or conjunctions to the Asc can modify the expression.

Opp from Pluto has one be fearful/suspicious. Usually fearing being taken advantage of or being bullied. Detest any form of control or size intimidation.

The square from Pluto has one become touchy & respond defensively towards criticism. These guys can become the fire starters

The conjunction to Pluto is the empowered one ,she who feels invincible. Can be very intimidating and can bulldoze over others.

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posted August 04, 2017 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Aries!

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