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neptune5
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posted October 12, 2006 06:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here:

woman has mars in guy's 8th house

woman has pluto conjunct guy's vens

woman has venus trine guy's pluto

woman has (sun conjunct venus) in guy's 2nd house.

woman has pluto opposition guy's jupiter in 7th house.

woman's MC is conjunct guy's Moon

woman's 7th house (DC) contains guy's Pallas.

womans neptune sextile guy's venus

woman's moon trine guy's venus

woman's mercury conjunct guy's mars

woman's mercury trine guy's pluto

woman's ceres conjunct guy's sun


So, from those positions who's more attracted? The Guy, or the Woman?

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posted October 12, 2006 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

You need to show the orbs of the aspects. That would give me a better idea.

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posted October 14, 2006 01:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
okay glaucus (sorry about the delayed reply) I hope this makes enough sense for you to interpret.

here:
woman has mars in guy's 8th house
womans mars is (conjunct) guys 8th house while being "within orb" of 4' degrees

woman has pluto conjunct guy's venus
sign is scorpio with it being conjunct so its "within orb" of about 4' degrees

woman has venus trine guy's pluto
orb: 120 degrees (four signs apart)

woman has (sun conjunct venus) in guy's 2nd house. the conjunct is orb at 6' degrees and within 2 degrees of 2nd house cusp

woman has pluto opposition guy's jupiter in 7th house. This opposition is a direct opposition by sign(taurus & scorpio) and by 180 degrees

woman's MC is conjunct guy's Moon
guys moon is exactly conjunct womans MC within 1 degree

woman's 7th house (DC) contains guy's Pallas. guy's pallas is at 19 degrees and loosely conjunct womans 8th house cusp.

womans neptune sextile guy's venus
60 degrees (capricorn & scorpio)

woman's moon trine guy's venus
(pisces & scorpio) 120 degrees away

woman's mercury conjunct guy's mars
3 degrees (within orb) in sagittarius

woman's mercury trine guy's pluto
120 degrees in leo & sagittarius

woman's ceres conjunct guy's sun
2 degrees in libra

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Nightjar
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posted October 14, 2006 01:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the same discussion we had in the Soul Unions -section (same thread title), I just couldn't be asked to type my opinion all over again, so here you go (some of the discussion):


Neptune5: "and is pluto conjunct his venus, neptune/moon trine his venus, & mars in his 8th enough for sexual obbsession?
i'd like to avoid that, but is it?"

Neptune5:"So which statement measures this relation to a better extent:
"I would really like to have this person and I can't wait for our date".
"I HAVE to have this person no matter who, what, when, why, where, or how."

Night:Actually if it's your mars in his 8th house, it will be you who is sexually aroused by him (especially if there are other factors supporting this). Of course the intensity of the feeling also depends on your natal chart which gives clues of how "sexually receptive" you are.
How do his planets fall into your houses?

Neptune5:"no nightjar, i believe its the other way around:
from cafeastrology.com
Astrological indications for sexual attraction: ..."

Night:"I think CafeAstrology gets it the wrong way around. I'm basing my view on years of personal experience and in every mars/venus in the eighth house case it's been the planet person who has been "interested".
I don't know how old you are or in how many cases you've been able to compare both the charts properly (you've had two very accurate birth times), but I can tell you it's been particularly revealing (who feels what) when the attraction has been one-sided.
Also, have you noticed in "Absolute attractions" (or whatever it was called) and similar threads how people always tell how men/women who bombard their 5th and 7th house with their planets are very attracted to them? For example aqua risers attract leos (unless they're very late aqua risers and attract mostly virgos, but you see what I mean) etc. I for example definitely attract the sign occupying my seventh house, although I can't say I would be particularly attracted to those people myself.
I don't mean to start a fight with anyone (particularly people who haven't had much experience of relationships and/or blindly want to believe in what they read on some website rather than their personal experience, especially if the website states something they want to hear), but I've always been exceptionaly interested in synastry and this is my unswerwing view on the subject "

So this is just my opinion, feel free to disagree, I'm basing it on astrology studies, professional synastry astrologers' (is that what you call them?) views and, above all, personal experience (mine and other people/couples I've studied; I'm only stating this because Neptune completely questioned where I'm coming from in the Soul Unions thread).

And Neptune5, I know this just the internet and I might have a completely wrong idea, but to me it sounds like you're the one really drooling after this guy and trying to get confirmation on it being mutual. I don't mean to be offensive, that's just what it seems like. Or maybe we're both just dead wrong.


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posted October 14, 2006 02:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Nightjar, your jumping to conclusions, someone I know very well on here named glaucus if you even paid attention to my 1st reply, asked me to give the orbs of the aspects, and since this does have to do with astrology and soul unions I decided to put it in both. What is your problem? Like really? We were having a discussion in soul unions, and you jumped to the same thread on another bored where you interupted a conversation i was having with someone I know better than you, glaucus. Now i'm not judgemental, but you really need to settle yourself. And something must obviously be wrong because I asked you for help and all your giving me is negative feedback.

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neptune5
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posted October 14, 2006 02:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you sound ridiculous because I didn't completely question you, I gave you my side of the story. You can't just have everything your way and be right about everything, and if you read my messages from our previous conversations, understand it, and stop reading 1 line a jumping to conlusions than you would have realized that I was welcoming your ideas not excluding them. If you do these type of things all the time you have a lot to learn about people and places. I'm only being honest, not to be offensive.

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Nightjar
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posted October 14, 2006 02:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not giving negative feedback, I'm just not saying what you want to hear. And I believe this board is open to all of us (am I wrong?)
Calm down.

And I only copied my writings from the Soul Unions so that people reading mainly this board can have a read and share their views on the issue. I'm genuinely interested and find it a shame that you can't handle my opinions. I have personally nothing against you, but I am interested in hearing from other people's experience, that's what this message board is very much about anyway.

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posted October 14, 2006 02:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And lastly nightjar, before you start accusing someone, especially another woman (i'm not sure if your a woman yourself) of "drooling" over a man, make sure you take those aspects and those charts into consideration; my pluto conjunct his venus, my venus trine his pluto, moon trine venus, jupiter trine mars, his pluto in my 12th, my pluto in his AC, composite sun in scorpio, AC Libra, Moon Aries, Venus Scorpio, etc. because not looking at a 360 degree circle at all sides is a fault of yours, thats ashame that I know that and I don't even know you.

I hope you never know how much you have frustrated and irritated me by simply not looking before you leap, thats foolish. This: "A lot of professional astrologers also agree with my view, if you haven't noticed." Is such a selfish statement, because i had made a point that proved my theory logically, realisticly, and without thinking you divert attention right back to yourself. That is extremely disrespectful, and I shame myself for tolerating such rude behaviour.

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neptune5
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posted October 14, 2006 02:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason why i'm a bit upset, is because you made some false statements. I never questioned where you were coming from, i was trying to make you look at things from all sides, i was busy proving a point logically, and you call that questioning you. And maybe another reason why i was a little upset is because i was talking to glaucus in my reply on the orbs of the aspects, and you put a block through that, you never gave him a chance to reply, and that hurt me a tiny bit. But as people who have known me on this board, and people that know me throughout my life know I dramatize & nitpick about the details and the tiniest things about life. And I apologize for my lack of understanding.

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Nightjar
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posted October 14, 2006 03:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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neptune5
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posted October 14, 2006 03:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everythings fine nightjar, glaucus will reply, glaucus and i also share the same moon and rising sign, and i do tend to jump to conclusions and get upset often, I have 7 squares to my moon and 6 squares to my AC, but it makes life interesting, and thanks for your honesty. ( and I do have a way with words, (3rd house cusp libra with pluto in 3rd, mars in gemini). But i still did have a little question for you NJ, you can answer this if you agree if you don't you don't have too, some astrologers consider the first house in the composite to be the house of when two persons meet, what does this say about our meeting? AC Libra 6 degrees, uranus, lilith, chiron in libra in 1st house, uranus conjunct both lilith & chiron, with pluto in 12th of virgo but conjunct AC, with uranus conjunct pluto?

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Salisa
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posted October 14, 2006 04:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I've read if your planet is in your partners house, your partner feels the feeling more than you do.I'm not say there is no inpact on the planet person just a good deal more inpact on the house person.(planet i.e. you has impact on house i.e. partner)
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/synastrysuninhouses.html
http://www.elysian.co.uk/askastrologerarchives4.htm#In%20my%20synastry%20comparison
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Your Sun in your partner's 5th house is a lovely, fun, joyful link. It indicates that you bring joy to his or her life, enhance his or her creativity, and generally bring an air of child-like enjoyment to the relationship.

again (planet i.e. you has impact on house i.e. partner)
http://www.astrologysoftwareshop.com/compatibility/choosing-compatibility.htm
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Synastry - Planets in houses

How does each of your partner's planets affect each area of your life?

Looking at how each of your partner's planets lines up with the houses in your natal chart will tell you how each area is affected. Each planet shines a particular type of energy and each house describes a department of your life.

For example, wherever your partner's Jupiter lands in your chart you will feel extra energy and enthusiasm. His or her Jupiter in your second house may give you material support - or promises that can't be kept. Alternately, you may feel channeled or restrained in the area of your life where your partner's Saturn lands.



again (planet i.e. you has impact on house i.e. partner)
http://www.artcharts.com/catalog/samples/sample_synastry.html
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Sun in House 8
This placement often indicates intense contacts that swing between harmony and discord. The Sun person can have a powerful effect on the eighth house person's emotions and sexuality. There is, however, the potential for manipulation, secretiveness, jealousy and emotional flare-ups. There can be a greater than usual focus in this relationship on joint resources, inheritances, taxes, insurance and other money matters. The Sun person can gain from eighth house person's assets or may control the joint resources of both partners. The above comments apply most strongly when both Sun and house cusp are in the same sign.

again (planet i.e. you has impact on house i.e. partner)
http://www.indigoray.net/samplesynastry.html
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Part Two -- Planets in Houses

This section is concerned with where the planets of one partner fall in the houses of the other, also known as comparative house placement. For instance, if you have 12 degrees Cancer rising (also known as Cancer Ascendant or Cancer on the first house cusp) and your partner has Moon in 15 degrees Cancer, your partner’s Moon falls in your first house. Your experience of your partner’s emotions, family and moods (Moon) will influence how you see yourself (Ascendant). In comparative house placement analysis, the planets generally have a greater impact on the houses than the houses do on the planets. In other words, where your partner’s planets fall in your houses is a better indication of how you experience him or her than vice-versa. And where your planets fall in his or her houses will tell more about how he or she experiences you.



again (planet i.e. you has impact on house i.e. partner)
http://www.astroresources.com/oct98.htm
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Let's say that Jack's sun falls in Jill's fourth house and her sun falls in his third house. The sun solarizes, vitalizes or "lights up" the house where it is found.
With Jack's sun in Jill's fourth house his presence in her life is going to affect her home or domestic circumstances and her sense of "rootedness." With Jill's sun in Jack's third house he's likely to feel a greater willingness to talk things out with Jill and he'll be mentally stimulated by her.

I really could keep adding more and more web sites but I think I've gotten my point across
Its not just one astrologer nor one website the thinks "the planets generally have a greater impact on the houses than the houses do on the planets"

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posted October 14, 2006 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have a synastry book that says that the person whose planet is in that house is more affected like..if A's Venus was in B's 8th house that A would be sexually attracted to the B person. Venus is said to be like caught up in the web of the 8th house and is captured and devoured by the 8th person figuratively speaking. So A could be more attracted to B because A's Venus is caught up in the sexuality of the B person and B person knows this and can use this information for his/her own use.


That's another way of looking at it.

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posted October 14, 2006 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Planet i.e. you has impact on house i.e. partner makes more sense to me than the other way round.

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In order to get a clear understanding of the effects of house overlays (or transposed houses as they are often called), I have found it easiest to think about it this way: When somebody's Sun or Moon (or other planet) falls in a particular house in my natal chart, it is much like that person has the effect of a permanent transit to that house in my natal chart! If your Sun falls in my eighth house, for example, when I interact with you, it is somewhat like the Sun is transiting my eighth house, highlighting and illuminating 8th house issues for me. Similarly, if my Sun falls in your third house, I have a similar effect on your life as the Sun transiting your third house. http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry_house_overlays.html


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Nightjar
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posted October 14, 2006 05:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Salisa!
Yes, I know the viewpoint you presented is very popular, especially on different websites.
As I've explained in some old thread, I thought synastry (descriptions of planets' effect in houses) was useless and just waste of time when trying to estimate how both parties were affected, until I read opposite descriptions (by professional astrologers) and noticed how astonishingly accurate they were. And of course I'm very eager to promote this contrary point of view because it has never failed me and I think everyone's own personal experience is the real test to all different theories found in books, internet etc.

So rather than checking out websites I would be intersted in hearing from personal experiences (especially if attraction has been somewhat one-sided and you know both of your accurate birth times and can show how the planets were placed)

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posted October 14, 2006 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nightjar,

Could you please post a link where you found those 'opposite' descriptions, I think it would be interesting to read them too.

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Salisa
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posted October 14, 2006 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought you view on the planets in house was very interesting the only problem I had with it was saying that it was blindly beliving because it was something you wanted to hear.
Trying to get information from as many places as possible and coming to a conclusion in my eye is not being blind.

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posted October 14, 2006 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crabplanet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus:

I agree with you! This is exactly what I am experiencing! I am living this example! My Sun and my Venus fall in the 8th house of this other person...and I'm the one feeling this attraction soooo intense, he is not the one feeling it, that I'm sure, it is me who feels this powerful eroticism, intense energy,intense emotions like compulsion and obsession, I'm trying to save myself, trying to be no longer in the grip of this obsessive feeling...I have to use Pluto to free myself of Pluto. I can only kill the dragon with a knife made from the dragon; I can only cure obsession with obsession!

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posted October 15, 2006 07:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With that "blindly beliving because it was something you wanted to hear" comment I was referring to people who stick with one view without weighting it properly to see how it matches with reality, just because it is something they like to hear.

Here's a rigid example: a girl has a huge crush on someone, then goes and checks the synastry (let's say that she had her love interest's birth date and time), and if she sees that her planets fall beautifully on the other's chart, but the other person's planets fall into her more impersonal houses, she still insists her planets in the other person's chart describe how that other person sees her although it's clearly vice versa.
Silly, exaggerated example, but you see what I mean. And the same goes with planetary aspects; the effect of mars-venus etc. aspects depends also on which houses they occupy.

I haven't searched the web thoroughly, because I personally prefer books to websites when looking for information. Many astrology websites seem to copy ideas and descriptions (not just synastry) from other sites and they also offer their information in a cookbook form (that's what you call it?) rather than trying to explain how to build a big picture of all the small pieces. Interestingly though (I'm slowly getting back to the subject) many sites that promote the "house person feels the vibes" theory do mention that it is not quite clear which way around it actually is.
In my and my friends'(etc)case it has always been the planets person who gets sucked into the other's houses, and that's why I'm so enthusiatic about swapping the roles of who feels what.
(and oh no, it hasn't always been what I've "wanted to hear", but it has always matched with the reality)

One excellent book comes to mind (also because it's in English; I don't know which languages you guys master), it's Neville's Planets in synastry. In his(?) examples it is mainly the planet person who gets affected; the descriptions aren't just opposite versions of the popular website stuff, but he's actually put some thought into them So far he's been scarily accurate when it comes to my experiences, so I definitely recommend you consider his viewpoint if you're interested in studying differing explanations.
The book also has descriptions of planetary aspects in between two charts that are no way near as sugary as the ones found on many websites, but I mainly recommend the book for its view on planets' effect in different houses.

I'm starting to sound like a preacher, I'll take a break now...

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posted October 15, 2006 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

That's the book that I have! That's the one that I was referring to! Neville's book!

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