posted October 16, 2006 04:35 PM            

I’ve been reading the different posts on this forum for some time now, but this is actually my very first post! My big hope is that maybe with your help I’ll finally be able to clarify some of my questions with reg. to this aqua man I recently met.

Apologies in advance for the loooooong explanations - I guess desperation makes me talkative….

Anyway – would be really grateful for your opinions on how the following planets in a man’s chart might affect/alter his sun in aquarius behaviour when he is interested in a woman.

Sun Aquarius
Moon Gemini
Mercury Capricorn
Venus Capricorn
Mars Gemini
Jupiter Aries
Saturn Cancer

I realize that without birthtime and house placements this is of course anything but an exact science, but I’m still interested in your opinion/guesses.

Do you think it’s likely he would be a flirtatious butterfly and rather fickle (in his romantic interests)?

Or do you believe that if a woman triggers his Venus in Capricorn (opposite Saturn), even though he might still display his lighthearted aquarius/Gemini side on the surface, deep down, his true feelings might be more stable (Capricorn) and quite intense (moon-mars conjunction). By the way, most of my planets and my ascendant aspect his venus.

I’m asking because so much has been written in this forum about aqua men. So much desperation, frustration and confusion ….….

Now that I have just met this Aquarius man and I’m already confused, desperate and frustrated about his behaviour myself - although we are not even involved yet - of course I read up on aquarius men in this forum.

But his behaviour still doesn’t make sense. I’m not at all clingy, on the contrary, but he has still withdrawn. So I’m wondering whether this is the gemini influence (maybe he’s just s.o. who loses interest quickly) or maybe his Capricorn planets make him quite proud.

I met him through work - at a convention. We are the same age, but I’m already in quite a senior position, he on the other hand is just at the start of his career and apparently quite confused about what he really wants.

For me it was definitely love at first sight, what he felt, no idea. He certainly seemed intrigued, whether this was because of my job title or because of me – again, no idea.

In any case, the conversation was amazing, we just clicked. That is - until the end, when, out of the blue, he seemed quite distracted. So I didn’t expect to hear from him again. But a few days later, he sent me an e-mail just thanking me for all the career advice and telling me how wonderful it was to get to know me. No questions, no suggestion to meet up. Again, I took this as an indication that he was just being polite and not interested and responded with a nice but cool, professional e-mail. I think I must have sounded quite schoolmasterly – I even pointed out s.th. he had misunderstood…stupid me!! Not surprisingly I didn’t hear from him again. So I invited him to an event a few weeks later and he responded within a few hours. Unfortunately to tell me he couldn’t come, but explained in detail why not and it sounded sincere. Also, he asked me whether I would like to go for coffee sometime. (The tone of his e-mail however was quite sarcastic, it was apparent how annoyed he had been about my previous e-mail!!) To make a long story short – because of a nightmare at work I could only respond about 5 days later. Explained how busy I was at work at the moment, but that we could definitely go for a coffee and he should let me know when he had time. Although I did pepper my mail with a few ironic remarks (given the tone of his e-mail I didn’t want to sound like a mindless sheep just agreeing), I cant possibly imagine how they could have offended anyone. But he hasn’t responded in almost 3 weeks now!!!

Friends who've read his e-mail tell me his inital interest was quite apparent. (I'm not that sure)

All the more confused I am now. So I’m just attempting the impossible task of figuring out what could have possibly gone wrong. It seems so strange to first suggest coffee and then not even responding. I know he is in the middle of a major project, but 3 weeks of silence seems a bit extreme!!

What is your take on this?.

Is this kind of behaviour in any way typical of aquas? Maybe he wasn’t ‘serious’ about coffee in the first place or changed his mind – maybe the gemini moon and mars influence? Or maybe this doesn’t sound familiar to those of you who have moon and/or mars in gemini and it might be more of a venus in cappy thing.

Would be really, really grateful for any suggestions. Maybe there are people on this forum who either know someone with this kind of makeup in their natal chart or who have it themselves

God this post is a monster, I’ll stop now or it’ll explode. Hope my explanations make sense – sorry, English isn’t my first language.

posted October 16, 2006 04:38 PM            

RUN!!!!

posted October 16, 2006 04:52 PM            

I think I have read some of your posts on aqua men when I was digging through this forum :-) So I assume, from your point of view this qualifies as classic aqua behaviour?

posted October 16, 2006 04:56 PM            

I will say this. Aquarian men can fall inlove with you two ways.

The most comfortable way for them to fall inlove intellectually. That comes from lots and lots of mental stimulation and bc he has moon and mars in Gem he is gone needs lots of mental stimualtion to fall inlove that way. This is good for the other person as well they might not be so conflicted acting. It could go well..

Then it is when they fall inlove through their emotions. Seeing that they are air signs I don't think that they are intouch with their emotions and are very frighten of them when they feel them to deeply. When a Aqua falls inlove this way for that other person it could be so crazy and off balance..They like it bc it is new to them but they don't seem to be able to process it. ( I know about this one)..

So my suggestion to you re: this guy is to keep him mentally stimulated..

posted October 16, 2006 05:32 PM              

Although my knowledge of astrology is small, I have experience with an Aqua man. His planets are as follows:
Sun Aquarius 06° 19' 10th House
Moon Aries 01° 13' 11th House
Mercury Capricorn 29° 16' 9th House
Venus Aquarius 05° 44' 10th House
Mars Aquarius 27° 11' 10th House
Jupiter Gemini 21° 50' 1st House
Saturn Pisces 14° 55' 11th House
Uranus Virgo 19° 8' 5th House
Neptune Scorpio 21° 56' 6th House
Pluto Virgo 18° 7' 5th House
I dated him several years ago and it was one of the best experiences of my life. The connection was almost immediate and in fact, he proposed on our third date. He was passionate and loving, always made his feelings for me known (not just to me, but to anyone who would listen)and made me feel beautiful and loved the way no man had to that point. Although I lost him (he passed away)I would not trade the experience for anything. However, it is important to remember that all individuals are shaped by their own experiences and sometimes a guy is great on paper and passive aggressive in person. As women we have a habit of trying to "understand" and justify male behavior that is not appropriate and doesn't make us feel good.As thought if we know what is broken we can fix it or work around it. I have certainly done this in past relationships. I think that it is important to be mindful of the sensitivities of others especially those that are a result of planetary alignments, however, if a man just seems to be passive aggressive or withdraws without reason,apology or explaination, I think you have to ask yourself if perhaps you deserve better. Just my thought.

posted October 16, 2006 05:35 PM            

The only thing I can say is back off stop all contact on your end and if he is truly interested he will reach for you. Rather you see it or not that is mental stimulation bc now it leaves him to wonder whats up with you. They play a hard game but they are fixed and it mostly goes that way..

Again don't take it personal I think that is where ppl make a big mistake with Aqua's we take their behavior personal..

posted October 16, 2006 06:05 PM              

Sun Aquarius
Moon Gemini
Mercury Aquarius retrograde
Venus Capricorn retrograde
Mars Libra
Jupiter Scorpio
Saturn Libra
Uranus Sagittarius

I dont know what to tell you, honestly...I feel bad for you, if you want something solid, and stable and romantic...you wont get it with an aquarius man....take it from the girls with war scars(me, mama mia, etc) we know what we are talking about,....run...run...run

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

posted October 16, 2006 06:08 PM            

Only water is Jup & Chiron in Pisces.

Now as for me, I'm AriSun&Merc/
CanMoon/VirAsc/PisVenus/LeoMars.

I definitely sense the intellectual/mental attraction vibe - I know he was intrigued with me b/c he complimented my intuition, my genuineness and admired my blunt honesty as a quality he likes. Later on, as I was getting ready to leave (like to leave 'em wanting more...) he remarked how surprised he was that he shared so much about himself with me so soon. I did say I had some skills in that area (Pluto conjAsc opp Chiron, 8th House Sun/Merc, 3rd House Nep)and told him I was a mental health practitioner. He invited me to "therapize" him anytime I wanted.

As I got up to leave he told me he'd love to analyze some dreams he's been having. At one point I remember getting the distinct feeling he was somewhat psychic, so I asked him if he was. He said, more so when he knows a person better. So naturally I asked him what his take was on me and he paused then said, "I hope I get to see you again." He didn't ask for my number, nor did I offer it...but both of us know we will see each other again very soon. We know many of the same people.

So here's the rub. I've never found myself attracted to/involved with an AquaMan before. His CapVenus&Merc LibMoon also kind of scare me - I'm soooooo watery! His Venus opposes my Moon but trines my Asc tightly. Gosh, I'm bumming myself out just writing all this, but there is SOMETHING about him! It's probably my compulsive Pluto getting the best of me. I should also say I have n.Venus(6h) tightly opp my n. Uranus(12h).

posted October 16, 2006 06:14 PM            

Hi And -

I did recognize Mama Mia from browsing some of the aqua posts on this forum, but unfortunately it seems I missed yours.

posted October 16, 2006 06:20 PM              

Since his venus was in retrograde, he didnt really have the essence of capricorn traits besides holding back his emotions....

whenever i ignored him, he was there, and when i wanted him, he ignored me, constant games, and i wasnt even playing them at first, but i ended up having to, and I HATE THAT, i cant stand games(aries moon)...so i had to cut the cord that was strangling me...

you might have not noticed my threads coz my old names are shop22much and writesomething.

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

posted October 16, 2006 06:22 PM              

Would have made a great friend, but shouldnt have entered into a romantic thing with him or definatley not to have married him. He pushed and pulled me so much, it almost sent me over the edge....

He blew hot and cold...when I was hot he got cold. When I grew cold he got hot....too many headgames and totally and utterly exhausting...NEVER AGAIN!!!!!

posted October 16, 2006 07:06 PM            

There seem to be more similarities with your guy. Although he doesnt have a retrograde venus, it is opposite saturn. So poor venus feels probably also quite restricted and emotions will just be brutally supressed.

I would have hoped that his moon conjunct mars would make his emotions more intense, more like a moon in aries or moon in first house. But maybe that's wishful thinking. Or maybe, yes it will make them more intense, but more intensely gemini....Dont know anything abut moon conjunct mars in gemini. Maybe somebody else?

On the topic of game playing - not sure whether his behaviour is just a way of playing games or whether he is basically just not interested...Initially at least he didnt seem to play games. When I had invited him to this event, yes he did make these sarcastic remarks, obviously my criticism had hurt his pride, but at the same time he sounded so excited to hear from me.
Anyway, I am already so so exhausted, I can completely relate to what you and sueg are saying. My moon in virgo obviously doesnt help. To feel healthy and happy I need to analyse and understand which is of course plain impossible in this kind of situation....

posted October 17, 2006 12:05 AM            

A man I was involved with and lived with is an Aquarius, with a Gemini Moon and Mars, and Pisces Venus and Mercury. Talk about a man who has a way with women! This man has more women friends (and has been involved with every single one of them) than he does men friends.

The Gemini Moon and Mars can be difficult because he can change his interests frequently, but he's well-educated and knows what he wants, still can be a little flighty and hard to pin down if he doesn't want to be. But that's also his Aquarius influence there too.

This Aqua has Pisces Merc and with my Merc in Scorpio, we had a strong psychic connection going and he could read me like a book and pick things up out of the air about me, but I could do the same about him too. Strong psychic tie.

I would say stay all business with him and don't show an inkling of what's in your heart unless you get some clear signals from him that it could be anything but a work relationship.

posted October 17, 2006 07:03 AM              

Since this guy of yours has alot of gemini influence it might be that he lost interest. My experience with geminis is that they dont take things so seriously about doing this or that. Whether or not if its meeting a girl and go on date. Its like the same as drinking a glass of milk or having a beer or meeting any other friend or visit mom.
But anyway, his aqua sun should be a big part of his personality.
And its so common that they detach themselves. but you should already have a card on your hand now after hearing alot about aqua men, and that is that you know what you have coming from them, and its not personal, and you should rather think like I recently have done with my aqua, that its quite hilarious to see how they act.
I have decided to not waste any more thought on "oh why is he doing that?" " what? he avoids me?? oh my"
and feel so so bad about it. because the reality of it is they are not even close to feeling like that at all. in fact, if they are lacking that empathy and compassion of thinking "maybe i should talk to her since i have been a bit weird for detaching myself over and over", then they are the ones who needs to adjust to you, not you to him.
My guess is that when he is ignoring you, thats a good sign. Means something is going in in his head and emotions.
I think he wants you to feel insecure. They love to do that to people. To see where he really got you.
I can just give you some advice from my own experience with my aqua, and that is,
if you dont hear from him again for a while, send him an email where you are sarcastic and insult him somehow.
I have done that quite a few times to him, and he gets so angry, but then, he comes back to me and gets so causy and sweet.
After I was so very rude to him
Sounds stupid maybe, but I believe it works.
But just dont get personal. Get a bit weird or funny.

Good luck!!

posted October 17, 2006 10:11 AM            

Yes these Aqua guys are a hot mess..BUT I can say that I am finally at peace and moooooving on. It feels so good too, bc I have been caught up with my guy for over two years. I gain control of things I lose control of things.

I explained above how Aqua men fall inlove and I totally can see that by my situation and from others that I know about. My Aqua fell for me emotinally which was so scarey for him. That and the way that his nature is and we all know how that is..Anyway I love one way and want a man that can love me back the same way..

Not all that backwards stuff. So no matter how mych I loved him and he loved me and I know that he did/does I decided to wait for something more realistic and stable.

But we are cool I see him in the gym on Wednesday and he was still trying to touch on me and all that I guess still trying to mark his territory but I put a screeching hault to that. Nope keep your hands off me buddy. He does not like it he always has to be in control, but I do not care nothing about that. He ran into my mom and sister last week and my Gemini mom asked him what was up with us and he says to her oh Mia has her own agenda.. I text him later on in the week and in the nicest way possible I tell him you damn right I have my own agenda..YOur time is up..

So here is where I am with this and I feel pretty damn good and not looking back..
It was a process for me but I have arrived.

P.s And- I would'nt really say that I have war scars not for myself..There was lessons there for me and I could never be mad about growth. Not only that I can safely say that this was just a challenge for him as it was for me. I got the lesson and will take it to the next relationship. I am free to move on without any bitterness or anger. Gotta be happy about that.. :-)

posted October 17, 2006 02:12 PM              

you are great..i am in the middle of the game witn an aqua man...god help me!!!

posted October 17, 2006 04:40 PM            

Blue Topaz,
so your guy had a moon mars conjunction in gemini then. How did this guy initially flirt with you - maybe lots of provocotive, off the wall comments?

You said something about they know what they want but are hard to pin down, change interests frequently etc.
So from your experience you probably would second Anita41 in that he could lose interest in having coffee with someone at the drop of a hat because they can say it but not mean it even if it sounds sincere?

Did you feel that the moon mars conjunction made his emotions in any way more intense?

Also thanks for the advice to stay 'all business'. I think that's unfortunately not the problem - if anything I have been far too businesslike with him. Friends who have read my e-mails have just been rolling their eyes at how aloof I sound, in fact everybody agreed on only one point - he sounds annoyed, and pokes fun at me, for being so businesslike. Maybe he just got bored of that -

Yes, you are probably right about the 'bees buzzing'.... but I guess it's not always that clear cut. I was quite surprised at his confident e-mail tone, because face to face he didnt seem to have that much self-confidence, at least he seemed intimidated.

And in any case there is also synastry - although, as I said earlier, my planets aspect his venus very strongly, lots of conjunctions etc, we also have venus opposite saturn - both ways!!!

posted October 18, 2006 07:36 PM            

That’s great!! Yes you are right about his birthday!Only just read your answer, so I keep my fingers crossed you’ll have another look at this poste.

You mention that any sign of interest is significant, but also that he’ll like to flirt. So of course my question is whether asking someone to go out for coffee is a sign of interest for you? Or do you easily suggest it without meaning it and quickly lose interest anyway (as some of the others commented reg.moon and mars in gemini). In fact, it would be great to know, if you can relate to his behaviour i.e. ask s.o. out for coffee and then not even respond to their mail?

However I have to admit that my perspective on his behaviour has slightly changed today. Although I showed the e-mails to several female friends, only today I actually got an opinion from a male friend. Admittingly, he’s quite a different type (all water and earth), but it still offered food for thought.

posted October 18, 2006 10:39 PM            

I think what I'm trying to say is spare yourself and just don't get overly involved or get your hopes up if he's not going to throw the ball back in your court, kwim?

Try flirting and dropping that ball in his court, see how he responds. He might surprise you. Find out if anyone knows anything about him (whether he's dating someone, etc.,) that way you will know if he's 100% free and clear. All the Aquarius men I've observed will do exactly what others have mentioned and that is do something right in front of you to amp up the jealousy in you to see how you will react. They are excellent at obtaining information (asking pointed questions) about a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g their heart desires that they want to know about you this very moment.

As for the Gemini influences, my Aqua guy is mature and will be 48 next Feb, so he's more stable and knows what he wants. A younger guy might be a lot harder to pin down on anything if he's nowhere near ready to be. I think his (my Aqua) Gemini influences helps sharpen his intellect (like he really needs it lol, this man has two masters degrees in engineering), but he also has a lighter, fun approach. You can count on him to keep a date, but again, if he's not 100% into the relationship will cancel out at the last minute.

My aqua never failed to shock lil ole Sagittarius me (who loves to shock people myself on a regular basis) and on our second date passed by me and kissed me on the neck after leaving the restaurant for dinner and were in the parking lot when we hadn't even kissed on the lips yet. Not even close to what I was expecting, I had no idea at all what direction anything was going. So he is good at keeping his cards close to his chest and surprising...