posted October 22, 2006 04:42 PM            

Subtle doesn't mean unimportant. Astronomers say that planets have too extremely subtle influences to affect us,but they but they have vibrational energy. The planets do affect us regardless of how far they away they are from us
It makes me think of cancer. Cancer is subtle,but it destroys cells in our body that can lead to destruction of tissue,organs,and organ system,and body parts.

We have chromosomes,genes,cells that we can't see. They are very subtle ,but they are so important. The way I see harmonics is like our chromosomes,genes,cells. Just like all those chromosomes and genes combined make up the human body,all the harmonics combined can make up the chart.
Chromosomes and genes are linked to various disorders,condition,and personality characteristic traits. I believe that hits on the harmonics can be linked to specific personality stuff. Therefore I see our natal charts like celestial DNA
Our DNA can be altered very subtly through our environment and interactions with others as their energy fuses with ours reflected by synastry. synastry - biological interactions which is what we call chemistry. It's possible some people can be bad for our health. Maybe their energy can have an adverse effect on our energy. Maybe their presence cause disturbance in our biochemical makeup. Maybe their own conscious and unconscious thoughts can cause disturbance in our biochemical makeup if we are actually transceivors(both transmit and receive).

Who knows...maybe the harmonics in astrology can equate the actual genes in our body. a whole bunch for that matter. Definitely every chromosome and gene is important. One defect can cause problems but they might be hard to detect. I believe in astrogenetics. I believe that that maybe the key to looking at family hereditary is through the harmonics.

People say that just looking at the basic stuff in the chart is the whole picture. I equate that as just examining the person by looking at their body parts and seeing how they move and interact with each other. But the body parts aren't the whole entire person. There is the inside of the human body that contain systems which are responsible for certain functions in our body. Those organ systems consists of organs which consist of tissues which consist of cells. It is these things that help determine how the body functions. It's not just how the body is formed. We definitely can't tell most diseases from looking at the body. We look at the blood and look at the cells in the blood.

Energy particles are just as complexed. Molecules are small particles that make up all living and nonliving things. We have more molecules in our body than our universe has stars. Molecules consist of atoms which consist of protons(positively charged particles)and electrons(negatively charged particles). The electrons and protons make me think of yin and yang which can be in many forms like Moon(yin) and Sun(yang), female(yin)and male(yang),negative integers(yin)and positive integers(yang), water,earth signs(yin)and fire,airsigns(yang),and so on. Yin and Yang energies complement each other even though they are opposing but when together,they become a whole like the northern hemisphere(yin) and southern hemisphere(yang) combine to make up the earth.

You definitely can't underestimate the little stuff. The splitting of the atom lead to atomic fusion which made atom bombs possible. Albert Einstein proved mathematically that atoms exist (in his Brownian motion paper) with the formula, E=mc˛ in which E = Energy, m = Mass, and c = The speed of light (a physical constant). In the 30's, Einstein wrote to President Roosevelt about the possibility of producing a weapon of mass destruction based on this equation.

When I see how powerful nuclear energy is,and that it results from tiny energy particles,it makes me wonder if overlooking the tiniest things in a chart is a good idea. Pluto,a planet that is said to rule nuclear power,is the smallest planet in our solar system. It is incredibly powerful planet despite its size with it being much smaller than our Earth's Moon. The effects of Pluto can transforming to the point of devastating. Pluto has proven to be an underdog now..especially with its demotion from planet to minor planet. I think that the so-called minor harmonic aspects are underdog aspects that actually raise some loud noise inspite of its subtle nature just like little Pluto,nuclear energy,and cancer. BTW...I believe that Albert Einstein's 9 minutes of arc Mercury septile(7th harmonic:mystical or a "beclouding effect,) Pluto helped him into unlocking the mysteries of the universe. It's very interesting that his Mercury was in a subtle aspect to the most subtle planet,and he understood one of the most subtle energy particles.

posted October 23, 2006 08:52 AM            

Thank God for computers. Without them,I would probably wouldn't be doing Astrology. That's the truth. I use Solar Fire and Kepler astrology programs to calculate my charts. Johannes Kepler,an astronomer/astrologer was the one that devised the 5th harmonic aspects and 8th harmonic aspects. He based on musical notes. The 8th harmonic is widely used in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology with midpoints,and the trine and sextile aren't even used. The Uranian Astrologers also use the 16th harmonic aspects. I have been working with Noel Tyl uses the 165 degree aspect,and found it have to do with obsession-compulsion. Vedic Astrologers use the 9th harmonic(navamsha) as the marriage chart and as a 2nd main chart. They also use numerous harmonic charts. For instance,the 7th harmonic chart(septamsha) is used to look at children. The 10th harmonic chart(dashamsha) is used to check out career. The harmonic aspects correspond with numerology too. If you understand numerology..especially Pythagorean theory, you understand the harmonics. Every aspect is based on a harmonic.

I don't think most asteroids are BS. I even found that personal name asteroids work. For instance, I have Cynthia conjunct my IC within 1 degree,and that's my mother's name. I have asteroid,Scotti conjunct my Sun less than 1 degree,and that was my father's last name. I have asteroids with my father's first name and my stepfather's first name conjunct with 4 minutes of arc in my 4th house. My mother didn't meet my stepfather until after I was born. I even found that both my mother and I had asteroid,gunnie in hard aspect to my moon less than 1 degree,and we were victims of gun violence. My mother was shot,and I was with her at the time. She and I somehow got away. The sabian aspect symbol for my Moon quincunx Pluto is 2 guardian angels. My mother believed that it was an angel that saved our lives that night.
I have named asteroids of my girlfriend conjunct and trine my moon. They were even significant placements in my solar return. She even had asteroids conjunct my name. I have asteroids with my last name conjunct my moon within 1 degree. My girlfriend has that same asteroid conjunct her 4th/7th house ruler,Mercury conjunct that asteroid. I found that asteroids work in lunar return too. Even work with transits. Heck...the asteroids of my name and my girlfriend's name were conjunct within 1 degree and conjunct Venus and Ceres within 1 degree on the day that we met which was also the anniversary when my mom told me about my maternal grandfather's suicide which was the catalyst that opened the door to my metaphysical journey and Astrology. I pretty much got into Astrology because I was search for deep meaning of life after my father's suicide. I ended up being an astrologer and doing free readings for others. I have never charged either,and I am very accurate regardless of what system I use. It's probably my Ascendant,Mercury,Mars,Saturn,and Uranus in 11th harmonic pattern which form midpoint configurations are highly valid in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology. I have my Moon in alignment with Fomalhaut which is The Star of Alchemy.I have always thought outside the box,and I have explored stuff and found that stuff worked and even showed others that it worked. That could be my unaspected Uranus which is my oriental planet. I also guess that's my Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd seminovile Jupiter with Sagittarius with 3 minutes of arc. That would appear as Mercury oppose Jupiter in the 9th harmonic chart which Vedic Astrologers would definitely say is valid. After all,they use the 9th harmonic chart as a 2nd main chart. They even use dwads(sign divided into 12 signs)
Asteroids that are named after the mythological characters work too. The key to understanding how they work is to understand the myths. I have read mythology as a kid. That's what helped me understand planetary archetypes on a deep level. After all,the planets are named after deities in Astrology. I had a read a book on Mythical Astrology that helped me too. I got into asteroids in 1999 because I read a book,ASTROLOGY FOR YOURSELF written by Douglas Bloch and Demetra George. I found out about Chiron because it was in my solar fire that I first purchased in 1999. I use Solar fire and Kepler to do my charts. In 2000, I purchased the Astrology Encyclopedia,and it had interpretations for over around 30 asteroids,and I checked them out,and they made sense. I have always been an asteroid astrologer. I guess that I am just naturally attuned to them. I even have the asteroid,Asteraude square my Sun/Moon midpoint less than half a degree orb.

I grew up the Arthurian Legends as a kid,and I am a strong believer in chivalry including had my own "save the damsel from distress" syndrome. I looked at asteroids named after Arthurian Legend Characters. Lancelot is conjunct my Moon with 3 minutes of arc,and he was my favorite character in Arthurian legends. Guinevere is semisextile my Ascendant exact. Galahad is square my Virgo Ascendant with only 10 minutes of arc. Arthur is square my Mercury less than 1 degree,and even my Mercury is conjunct Camelot less than 1 degree. I knew about the synchronicities of the personal name asteroids before I found Jacob Schwartz's site which emphasizes that stuff.

I believe that asteroids work because everything in the universe is connected. After all,everything consist of energy. Energy affects us...but affect us in varying degrees. Just because it's subtle doesn't mean that it doesn't affect us. I feel that we would be talking like the astronomers who say Astrology doesn't work because the planets are too far away. In that sense,I feel that we would be hypocrites or have a double standard if we use the same arguments with asteroids. Another thing,there are so many objects in the kuiper belt region,but we swear by Pluto(classified as a kuiper belt) and believe that it it has powerful astrological influences. Vedic Astrologers don't even use the outerplanets except for neovedic astrologers. They believe that the nodes are powerful shadow planets,and they name them Ketu and Rahu. They even believe that Ketu is like the planet of liberation,moksha,mystical,and detachment. They use 27 lunar mansions called nakshatras that give more insight. The Dasa system is based on the nakshatra that the moon is in. For instance,my Moon is in Satabisha nakshatra which is associated with Astrology. My Dasa system started off with Rahu because Rahu rules Satabisha. They have a different astrological system. Martha Lang-Wescott uses asteroids. I have some of her books. She uses them with uranian astrological methods including the use of the 90 degree dial.

I don't think people should knock stuff until they try it. They could be surprised. I thought Sabian Symbols were BS and dismissed them as mystical nonsense. After reading ASTROLOGY A LANGUAGE OF LIFE Volume 2 - Sabian Aspect Orbs by Robert P Blaschke, my eyes have opened. In his book, every aspect degree has a Sabian Symbol. He uses minor aspects,and he explains them with depth. He has really helped me understand the harmonics and how they work. What I realized is that we tend to overlook the subtle stuff which can be playing a big part...influencing us in the background like our unconscious thoughts can definitely do. Dreams are very important for they are messages in our unconscious life. The unconscious material can affect our conscious. We do recognize the importance of the moon which signifies the unconscious just like signifies the conscious. Some say that Neptune is the collective unconscious or the universal psyche that contains unlimited archetypes which are universal symbolism. Neptune is said to be the planet of the mystic and psychic. Dreams can be mystical and psychic. As a Pisces Moon square Neptune,I definitely had my own experience with mystical and psychic dreams. I have also had numerous lucid dreams which entails being conscious in my unconscious. We can tap into the collective unconscious just like we tap into the personal unconscious...especially when we go through psychoanalysis. I believe that all the heavenly bodies are archetypal energies and that's not just the planets. We don't call Astrology "Planetology" I believe that the asteroids are just as valid as planets. I definitely believe that midpoints are very valid. That's for sure. They are based on geometry just like Astrology is.

There are a lot of things that most astrologers don't use. A lot of astrologers don't use the declinations,but those are coordinates that help determine the seasons. After all, Spring starts when Sun is in 00'00 on the celestial equator and not just in 00'00 Aries in the Tropical Zodiac. Without declinations we wouldn't have seasons. They figure into eclipses. A solar eclipse is Sun conjunct AND parallel Moon. A lunar eclipse Sun oppose AND contraparallel Moon. When planets are conjunct and parallel or oppose and contraparallel, they are considered occultations. I have a few. My Mercury is conjunct AND parallel Venus. My Saturn is oppose AND contraparallel Neptune. I even have occultation with a fixed star. My Moon is conjunct AND parallel Ancha,fixed star in Aquarius. My Moon happens to be in Aquarius even though it's in Pisces in the tropical zodiac. I don't rule out the actual constellations affect our planets. I believe in using fixed stars in Astrology. I even have fixed star paran program created by Bernadette Brady. It's a visual-based astrological system that entails the use of rotation parans(star and planet are simultaneously on angles)based on the horizon coordinate system which means that the paran method system is location-sensitive. So the parans drastically change with location.

I believe that there are a lot of astrological methods and techniques that people can use. If others don't like them and think that they are BS, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are BS. After all,many scientists..especially astronomers believe that Astrology is BS,but we all know that Astrology isn't BS. Carl Jung defintely knew that,and he was like the first psychological astrologer. He was the one that came up with introversion,extraversion,collective unconscious,persona,anima,and animus. A lot of astrologers see the planets in those ways.
He came up with the term,sychronicity. I believe that synchronicity is the basis of Astrology,Numerology,Tarot,I-Ching,Runes,Palmistry and other divinational systems. They all connected through synchronicity.

bottom line

to each, his or her own.

Here are sites about asteroids,minor planets

Jacob Schwartz http://www.asteroids.com/

Martha Lang-Wescott http://www.treehousemountain.com/

Zane Stein http://www.zanestein.com/chiron.htm

Harmonics

This is the book that I bought and read..I am going to type up the aspects with Sabian symbols and post on this board...I want to share them with everybody.. http://www.earthwalkastrology.com/volIItoc.htm

NTRODUCTION -
Planetary Phases and Aspects http://www.khaldea.com/eon/eonintro.shtml

http://groups.msn.com/HOROSCOPESCHAT/aspects1.msnw
http://www.adze.com/Classroom/aspects.html
http://accessnewage.com/articles/astro/ha_intro.htm
http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/__EdGillam.htm
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/Aspects.html

This is the harmonic report that I have in Kepler program http://www.patterns.com/HarmonicHighlight.htm

Here is an article on the harmonics by the one that created Kepler http://www.astrologyhome.com/Articles/advanced/Minor_aspects.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/journal/GregoryJdeMontfort/AspectPatternsConfigurations.htm

Vedic Astrology harmonic charts
http://www.astrojyoti.com/lesson5.htm
http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/Topics/Varga_divisional.htm#The%20logic%20of%20divisional%20or%20harmonic%20charts

http://www.saravali.de/maitreya/doc/varga.html
http://jyotishvidya.com/

Varga - the divisional charts

The term Varga means Division and refers to the various divisions of a sign, based on which Divisional Charts (or simply D-Charts) is constructed. Divisional charts (Vargas or Amsas) are very peculiar to Jyotish, and they are not found in other systems of astrology. Ancient Indian Mentor and Expert, Maharishi Parashara describes 16 divisional charts which are as follows;

* Rasi D-1: Body, Phyiscal Matters and All Generall Maters
* Hora D-2: Wealth, Family
* Drekkana D-3: Siblings, Nature
* Chaturthamsa D-4: Fortune and Property
* Saptamsa D-7: Children/Progeny
* Navamsa D-9: Wife, Dharma and Relationships
* Dasamsa D-10: Actions in Society, Profession
* Dwadasamsa D-12: Parents
* Shodasamsa D-16: Vehicles, Travelling and Comforts
* Vimsamsa D-20: Spiritual Pursuits
* ChaturVimsamsa D-24: Education, Learning and Knowledge
* SaptaVimsamsa D-27: Strengths and Weakness
* Trimsamsa: D-30 Evils, Failure, Bad Luck
* KhaVedamsa D-40: Maternal Legacy
* AkshaVedamsa D-45: Paternal Legacy
* Shastiamsa D-60: Past birth/Karma

Maharishi Jaimini explaines 4 more divisional charts. They include;

* Panchamsa D-5: Fame & Power
* Shasthamsa D-6: Health
* Ashtamsa D8: Unexpected Troubles
* EkaDasamsa/Rudramsa D-11: Death and Destruction

posted October 23, 2006 01:14 PM              

DD

posted October 23, 2006 01:22 PM            

His book definitely has the wheels turning in my head.

His book shows that there is a sabian symbol for every aspect in the zodiac. His concepts are very insightful. I don't agree with the orbs. I think his orbs are too wide and too narrow for some aspects. He gives a wider orb for separating aspects,and I don't agree with that. I do like his methods overall. I did my sabian aspect orbs,and they really made sense to me. I have Moon quincunx Pluto,and the sabian symbol said Guardian angel. My mother believed that angel saved us from getting killed by the schizophrenic that broke into our home and shot her. I find that guardian angel stuff linked to my emotional trauma aspect to be very interesting.

posted October 23, 2006 03:14 PM              

My favorite part of what you said, (and I said this to you on another thread one upon a time but don't know if you saw it) was this:
"I grew up the Arthurian Legends as a kid, and I am a strong believer in chivalry including had my own 'save the damsel from distress' syndrome. I looked at asteroids named after Arthurian Legend Characters. Lancelot is conjunct my Moon with 3 minutes of arc,and he was my favorite character in Arthurian legends. Guinevere is semisextile my Ascendant exact. Galahad is square my Virgo Ascendant with only 10 minutes of arc. Arthur is square my Mercury less than 1 degree,and even my Mercury is conjunct Camelot less than 1 degree. I knew about the synchronicities of the personal name asteroids before I found Jacob Schwartz's site which emphasizes that stuff."

I also grew up absolutly loving these legends too! I actually find myself excaping into this 'world' quite often, it's my 'happy place'. I did my chart with all of these asteroids too and was amazed to find that my favorite character, Merlin, is conjunct my Asc 1* orb!! I have always been into 'the occult' and magic, and movies / books of the like. I also have Tristan conjunct my Asc, exactly conjunct Merlin.
I have sort of a stellium of these asteroids in my 12th house. It goes: Galahad14*Gem (he makes a grand trine with my sun & moon), Gawain16*Gem(he also makes a g trine w/ sun & moon), Knight26*Gem, Tristan28*Gem,Merlin28*Gem, Asc29*Gem! So cool! I also have Guinevere conjunct my MC. The more i'm looking the more aspects (by sign AND degree) i'm finding. I am very excited to be able to see this!!! I cannot thank you enough for this tidbit

posted October 23, 2006 10:26 PM            

I have Sun biquintile Midheaven with 6 minutes of arc interpreted as talents and abilities play a part in emerging ego-consciousness by providing for concrete expression according CHARTING YOUR CAREER by Stephanie Clement
My Sun does biquintile my Aries Pt which is a point that uranian astrologers use. My midheaven is quintile Aries Pt. Therefore my Sun oppose Aries Pt/Midheaven midpoint with 17 minutes of arc which is recognized in Uranian Astrology

Sun septile Ascendant with 28 minutes of arc..that could be my drawn to mysticism and poetry..I feel that having a septile between the 2 of the big 3 is significant. Robert Hand pointed that septile is sigificant in the charts of mysticism and poetry. He says that it has a Uranus-Neptune flavor,energy linkings not entirely of this world,creative inspiration,but also mental and emotional difficulties and tenuous connectedness with the physical universe;religion. My girlfriend's Sun triseptiles my Sun with 23 minutes of arc and triseptiles my Ascendant with 4 minutes of arc,and so her Sun forms a 7th harmonic triangle with my Sun septile Ascendant. It also means that her Sun opposes my Sun/Ascendant midpoint with 10 minutes of arc which is a significant relationship connection in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology.

Mercury biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc seems to be my stirring crap when I communicate about certain things as well as multidimensional thinking and strong visual spatial skills that's part of my Dyslexia.
Astrologer Adze said that quintiles,biquintiles figure into engineering. The neuropsychologist told me that I can be an engineer because of my very strong visual spatial skills and very good problem solving skills. Of course,those same skills can be good for Massage therapy and Astrology.

Because of my studies in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology, I routinely use 45 degree and 135 degree aspect in my readings. The cosmobiologists use those aspects with routinely as well. They don't even use the soft aspects in their systems. The Uranian astrologers use the 22.5 degree aspect routinely with their midpoints.

Cosmobiologists use a 1 degree orb for all midpoints(conjunctions,oppositions,squares,semisquares,and sesquiquadrates).

Uranian astrologers use a 1 degree orb for all midpoints too including the 22.5 degree series.

I have Neptune 22.5 Moon/Neptune = '04
my history of insomnia,also my AD/HD traits,sensitivity,intuition
I do have Moon square Neptune,Uranus semisquare Neptune,and Moon sesquiquadrate Uranus,and so they form an 8th harmonic syndrome.

Jupiter conjunct Moon/Ascendant - '02
Jupiter oppose Saturn/Midheaven - '06
Pluto square Sun/Mars - '14
Pluto square Venus/Node - '17
Jupiter 22.5 Pluto - '04
Pluto 22.5 Moon/Ascendant - '04
Jupiter 22.5 Sun/Mars - 10
Pluto 22.5 Saturn/Midheaven - '10

so I have Jupiter = Pluto = Sun/Mars = Moon/Ascendant = Saturn/Midheaven as a planetary picture that Uranian Astrologers would say is significant for potential willpower,success,determination,and perseverance as well as emotional problems,anger issues,and problems with relationships but have the ability to overcome those problems.

another planetary picture is:

Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune - '14
Mercury square Mars/Node - '09
Midheaven sesquiquadrate Venus/Pluto - '05
Midheaven sesiquiquadrate Jupiter/Asc - '22
Mercury 22.5 Midheaven
Mercury 22.5 Jupiter/Ascendant - '01
Mercury 22.5 Aries Pt/Venus - '03
Midheaven 22.5 Aries Pt/Venus

Mercury = Midheaven = Sun/Neptune = Mars/Node = Venus/Pluto = Jupiter/Asc = Aries Pt/Venus
is a significant planetary configuration in Astrology...I feel that this could be one of my Dyslexia/Dyspraxia history that involved anger issues,obsessiveness,love issues,heartbreak but also my luck to get early help for my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia and my recognition as a highly intelligent person.

a very important planetary picture is:

Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune - '17
Moon sesiquadrate Sun/Pluto - '05
Moon semisquare Mars/Midheaven - '23
Moon 22.5 North Node - '11

Moon = Saturn/Neptune = Sun/Pluto = Mars/Midheaven = North Node is a significant planetary configuration that indicates emotional suffering,trauma,anger as well as my brain issues(Dyslexia,Dyspraxia),misdiagnoses,emotional intensity,emotional sensitivity,willpower,assertiveness,strong desire to connect with others,and interested in health issues.....all these are my mother as well.

Those are just some of my planetary pictures.

I prefer to use less than 1 degree orb for the 22.5 degree series.

With Kepler,I look at Declination midpoints too. I use an orb of 15 minutes of arc.
My own most exact declination midpoint configuration is Sun parallel Jupiter/Uranus with 1 minute of arc.

posted March 02, 2008 12:44 AM            

I empathize with what you are saying and doing with astrology. I think there are prolly other planets or asteroids that are even faster moving that determine precise things in who we are and what happens every day.

and the minor aspects to hold a key in who we are. and I can easily relate to my semi-squares, and quintiles.. and noviles.

but sometimes I feel i would rather just take life as it is and just live rather then analyzing everything all the time.. and making the most subtle connections.. it is true if you look at something long enough it will start to speak to you and you will see things you didnt see before..