posted October 27, 2006 08:17 PM              

I already know that the 8th house = transformation & death and Saturn = restriction & firmness. But when these go together, I almost feel like I'm going into a painful spiral. People are encouraging me to lighten up and embrace the taboo-like status quo, but how can I (or anyone else) can embrace something that should be sealed off from the public eye?

I'm scared stiffless about death and it has already scared me just by thinking about it. When loved ones die on TV, it has an powerful effect on my psyche. I know it did the same to you. And just looking at it enhances my fear...

I know you're going to say that I'm being paranoid (or just scary), but can this 8th house Saturn understand that sometimes trying to encourage to go to the taboo realm is like going to prison for crimes committed for being scared?

Feel free to tell me your side of this 8th House Saturn ordeal.

posted October 27, 2006 08:59 PM              

I'm a hardcore saturn in 8th house (and I say hardcore b/c it's intensified by scorpio), and I do have that "What the hell is wrong with you? That's wrong and I'm not doing it." I'm the traditional type of gal w/ my own eccentric spin on things...but I think because of my jupiter in 11th (and in Aqua)...I go off in my own beat and not have a care in the world what people think of me. Just be confident that ur doing the right thing, u can't please the crowd, and I definitely know that you would not debase urself in ur own eyes, knowing fully that the things that going on r wrong, and yet u follow b/c of stupid "peer pressure" (that's my leo moon talking...my pride is important...lol)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking u, I'm trying to be logical and fierce in defense of all saturn 8 housers [ha ha, virgo sun, merc, mars (all in 6th house)...and a dose of scorpio sat and pluto...(8 and 7th house, respectively)]

...all I'm trying to say is that if u follow the crowd, and ur not u anymore. U've dissolved ur values to the values of whoever is around u. And to be honest, no one is worth dissolving ur values for...they can bang their heads against the wall, burn themselves, or even dig their own graves and bury themselves alive........but never given to the crazy taboo-ed status quo. In the end, they will mock u for giving up who u r and what ur values r, and never respect u the way u want to be respected again.

What u mean that loved ones died on TV? Did that really happen to u......or r u talking about those lil romantic parts of movies?

Either of those...well, u would have to accept it one way or another. Take ur time though, don't try rationalizing it...let it come to u that it is ok and with every death, there is another birth going on somewhere. Everything has to end if something else going to be born. Take death as an opportunity for the new to come into being. It was hard accepting that part...but gradually u would have to take it in or u'll be miserable the rest of ur life. Put ur faith in God (if ur not an atheist) and let Him handle things for u. He is the only one who knows u for who u r, He is the one who created all of us (so He's the most experienced on human "things"), and He is the one who will be there all the time when ur fellow humans r not. When u know that u won't be alone and that God is always there with u, u won't fear death as much anymore...(unless u've been a bad grl)...and u fear the Judgement day......then that's a whole other story altogether.

posted October 27, 2006 09:02 PM            

_ Meditate positively on death: Ask yourself, if I were to die tomorrow, what is it that I would regret not have done? Then go out and do it! In other words, use death to live more fully.

_ Do volunteer work with people who are dying.

_ Make a list of all the wonderful people who have passed on and contemplate it. Know that when you die, you will be in great company.

posted October 27, 2006 09:32 PM              

Another thing, always remember that people might have had it worse than u have.

I'm only 21...but I remember talking to this grl who is 21, but already had experienced death (her husband died), and living in the US all alone for her studies. Yet she's doing well. And in my head, I was like.....my God! She had it worse, and I'm all scared about something that didn't even happen yet (my family, etc..)

posted October 29, 2006 05:54 AM            

that pisces moon is like the most sensitive, even psychic emotional nature there is. it resonates deeply at the world around.

the cancer mars is also a sensitive energy, emotional and somewhat deep. the 6th mars is an workaholic position.

on the other side, there's that leo pack - more concerned with appearences, needing not only to fit in but be admired.

the leo saturn talks about a lesson in trusting yourself enough to express yourself fully, with no fear of being rejected. the pisces moon and the leo sun don't help, as they add in sensitivity and fear of being not good enough. but that's why they call it a 'lesson'.

there's no need to go that deep and dark with the 8th interpretation. it being a leo house, it could simply be about you taking responsability and assuming leadership for others/ in other's behalf, and for your own desire for self-expression.

that 'ppl encouraging me...' comment proves your lack of confidence in yourself, your insecurity and tendancy to forsake your own beliefs just to be accepted, to be like everyone else - hoping that would bring you the respect and apprecition you crave for (that's also Saturn, and Sun in leo).

but the way to get it is to learn to stand firmly on your own feet, and not give in to others.

posted October 30, 2006 03:40 PM            

i imagine the virgo saturn as a hair-splitter: critical and perfectinositic at the same time. saturn is also the principle of management.

in the 8th - it would focus on other's resources & values (other's money / self-esteem/psychological issues).

posted November 05, 2006 11:39 PM              

i am not totally sure what that means, but have a gut feeling about its significance- because of that dreamy Neptune in my 1st house.

but... My Virgo Sun wants to start researching, and my Libra moon wants to talk about it.

Haha! this is kind of fun!!

posted November 09, 2006 08:18 PM              

Personal note to cristiname -> I'm not fully accustomed to be taking the leadership (although I've often been dreaming/meditating about it) because I want to continue being the man who likes being independent rather than be overwelmed by so many people that my mental/psychic sensitivity gets chaotic. I love being alone. I love being a loner. I'm not depressed about it. And I've already lived my life the way it should be. My way.

I don't need to be accepted. My big brother, and the Adult Home (it is where I live and it's like a supporting residential home) caseworkers & staffers have already accepted me for who I am. They may hate me, but I don't care. I just love being me who loves to be independent and carefree. That's all

posted November 10, 2006 07:56 AM            

listen, hank

"dreaming/meditating about it" is a clue that you might like it but are too afraid to do it - fear of being overwhlemed with responsability... RIGHT!

that's what I said - this is what Leo Saturn is all about. about conquering THAT fear (if it was easy, it wouldn't be a lesson for you)

there's a big diff between "liking to" be independent and "not liking to" take care of others. when you do stuff to stau away from X, X defines you and your actions. X is in charge, not you.

"I love being alone. I love being a loner. I'm not depressed about it." this is text-book excuse for leo saturn karma.

"have already accepted me for who I am ... They may hate me, but I don't care."
am I the only one who spots a gap in this argument? ppl DON'T hate you when they accept you. this is denial.

one more thing. the fear of death is one powerful clue that there's something missing in your life. that deep down you may not be that content with how you've lived ur life.

DON't write back saying you're fine. of course you are! yet... if you could be better... would you be willing to try?