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illusions_fool
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posted October 30, 2006 02:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, a while ago there was a topic about the Aries-Libra interception. Rev. Alice [I believe?] told me if you do it right, I have the interception. Well, I can't figure out how to do it right and visually see the interception. Can someone show me? Cause it's been bugging me for a LONG time.

~Rebekka

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Peri
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posted October 30, 2006 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The differing size of the houses sometimes results in the same sign appearing on the cusp of consecutive houses, since the signs always consist of exactly 30°. This is not unusual at all, and when it occurs on one side of the chart, it must again occur on the opposite side. When a house is very large, i.e. larger than just one sign, it often occurs that a sign is contained within a house without appearing on either cusp line. These signs that are excluded from appearing on any cusp are said to be intercepted (in the house). Some astrologers believe that the sign on the cusp and the intercepted sign are co-rulers of the house....

Which charts have intercepted signs?

Whether or not there are intercepted signs in a chart depends on various factors:
a) the latitude of the birth place: the closer to the poles, the more likely it becomes that there are extremely large houses with intercepted signs.
b) choice of the house system: almost all house systems calculate houses in dependence on the latitude, and have therefore different house sizes, except the equal house system which makes all houses 30 degrees. This makes intercepted signs impossible.
Whether or not, or how one interprets intercepted signs is a matter of taste and of the choice of the individual astrologer...


I am Cappy ASC and my 2nd house starts in Pisces so I've got Aqua intercepted in the 1st and Leo in the 7th house .

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izodesmozina
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posted October 31, 2006 06:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me too! I have Capricorn and Leo intercepted in first and 7th house. Does that mean something?

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izodesmozina
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posted October 31, 2006 06:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uhm... sorry... I meant Aquarius and Leo... Capricorn is my Asc...

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illusions_fool
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posted October 31, 2006 12:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's just it though, when I look at my natal chart, Aries and Libra aren't completely consumed by my first and seventh house. I can't figure it out. ;_;

~Rebekka

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shirty
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posted October 31, 2006 12:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rebekka,

I'll use my chart as an example as I had the same problem trying to figure it out on mine.

Go to Astro.com and click on 'Portrait.' Then go down to the section that labels your houses, like this:

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant (1st) Leo
2nd House Leo
3rd House Virgo
Imum Coeli (4th) Libra
5th House Sagittarius
6th House Capricorn
Descendant (7th) Aquarius
8th House Aquarius
9th House Pisces
Medium Coeli (10th) Aries
11th House Gemini
12th House Cancer

In that list, notice how Scorpio and Taurus are skipped? There are no house cusps in these signs. This indicates a Taurus/Scorpio interception. Do the same for your Houses and post it here, then see if you can figure it out!

Also, here's a visual of my chart. As you'll notice, Taurus is fully contained within the 10th house, while Scorpio is fully contained within the 4th house.


Hopefully this helps

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Azalaksh
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posted October 31, 2006 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Rebekka ~

Here’s some stuff on intercepted signs:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Intercepted_signs.htm
http://www.astrocom.com/articles/infospecials/IIHX.pdf
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/intercepted_sign.html
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/chartreading.htm

I have Cappy/Cancer intercepted in the 5th/11th, with Aqua and Leo repeated on the 6th/7th & 12th/1st…..

And here’s an article – I found this statement intriguing:
You really want to express yourself by the sign on the cusp of the intercepted house. People and events prevent you from doing so.

FEATURE ARTICLE
INTERCEPTED SIGNS
© Marianne E. Payton
Just exactly what are "intercepted signs" and where do they come from? I have had many questions about this, so here's what I have collected over time.

Basically, your time of birth usually has nothing to do with having an intercepted sign in your birth chart. From what I have observed and read, the higher or lower you are in Latitude (i.e. extreme north or extreme south,) the more likely there will be at least one interception. I have seen at least 3 signs intercepted in a birth chart for a child born way, way up north in Newfoundland.

This many interceptions make ones life difficult, to say the least. The needs and/or qualities of the intercepted sign(s) are suppressed in early life. This makes it difficult to express these particular needs/qualities consciously in ones daily life.

It is believed by some that the intercepted signs show qualities which were highly developed in past lives. They are being set aside in this incarnation waiting for other signs to develop on a more equal basis. Then, on the other side of the coin, it is believed that these intercepted signs were not fully developed in past lives so they are hard to express in this lifetime. However, we can all agree that they do create frustration by sign and house. Also, we note that the entire chart is thrown out of sync!

The external environment limits the ability to fully express him/herself in the "house" or department of life where the interception(s) fall. They can also show a conflict between destiny and environment. Traditionally, houses deal with our external life and the signs and planets deal with our individual development and approach to those matters.

The doors leading into our various departments of life are represented by the house cusps. The planets ruling the cusp are the keys to open these doors. We act according to the planet, which causes a reaction to the other planets. This creates feedback which gives us objectivity (ralistic views on what we are doing.) Each action causes a reaction that teaches us to be objective about life. When a house is intercepted, our objectivity regarding those matters related to this house is stifled. We are not objective in that area of life. A lack of objectivity causes a certain lack of direction in the affairs of that house.

One would express the needs and attitudes of the two signs occupying the house cusps where the interception occurs. You will receive the type of feedback necessary to be objective. However, you do not follow through and investigate the needs of the sign(s) that is intercepted. Instead, you will be required to develop in the other areas (duplicated signs) having no apparent bearing on the activities of the house that is intercepted. This delays the development of the interception. It delays the objectivity you need in those house matters as you will see.

So, what comes next? The environment you live in and function in does not give you the experience or structure you need to develop the qualities of the intercepted sign, as well as, any planet falling in the intercepted sign. The same applies to the planet ruling the intercepted sign. This leaves you with a need (intercepted sign) in a particular area of your life (house) that is in an environment which does not allow you to express the energies shown by the signs intercepted or the planets (if any)in the intercepted houses.

Your intercepted sign does try to express itself, but it comes out in an imbalanced fashion. The feedback you get - and you do get feedback on your actions - but it is the wrong kind of feedback you need - or the wrong kind of encouragement you need in order to express the energies (traits) of the intercepted signs and the house matters.

A Progression or major Transit passing through the intercepted signs will give you the opportunity to rebel against the environment and people who limit the energies (how the planet should respond) of the intercepted signs and then you will be able to handle the affairs of that house with objectivity.

An intercepted sign likens to an Opposition. There are actually two signs intercepted when you have a sign intercepted. The intercepted sign and the sign that opposes it. Thus the interception is a kind of opposition and oppositions are called polarities. Remember, each sign must look to its opposite for balance and objectivity. As an example, Aries is egotistical and self-centered and must look to the opposite sign, Libra, for balance of the ego... Libra being harmony and sharing in relationships.

In interceptions, the environment does not allow us to see the traits and use them in the opposite sign. Therefore, the environment does not encourage us to develop the traits of the opposite sign. So, the reactions we get from others only confuse or irritate us. They do not encourage us to balance ourselves through the opposite sign. Aries intercepted should reach for the Libran balance to become less egotistical, but the people and events we meet in that area of life prevent our reaching for the Libran balance of our ego. Thus we get irritated, confused, and unfulfilled. So the circle comes around and be become more egotistical and self-centered (Aries.) We do not balance ourselves through the opposite intercepted sign in those house matters. We don't balance ourselves through the polarity of the opposite sign. Thus you are expressing the qualities of one of the intercepted signs at the expense of the other at all times. If yu started at the Libra interception you wuld act exactly opposite in those house matters...relating so much you lost your Aries ego in the process.

This is what happens in intercepted house matters:

You really want to express yourself by the sign on the cusp of the intercepted house. People and events prevent you from doing so.

This makes you turn to the sign that is intercepted. You try to express yourself by this sign since people and events are preventing you from expressing the sign on the cusp of the house. Again, the people, and events in your environment prevent you from doing so. You rebel eventually, or give up. If you do decide to rebel you will express the negative traits of the intercepted sign. You will be an egotistical, argumentative Aries rotten bum. You will not try to balance yourself through your polarity (the sign opposite Aries - Libra.)

You can eventually learn to express the sign on the cusp of the intercepted house. This is what you want to do when acting on matters of that house. You can do this after you have learned to solve the problem of the duplicated signs in your chart.

Next month we will explore the polarity interpretation beginning with the Aries-Libra interception.

This article may be reprinted in it's entirety with all credits included.
All Rights Reserved © October 2001

Zala

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illusions_fool
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posted October 31, 2006 06:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the resources Zala!
However, my portrait doesn't skip any signs ...

House positions (Placidus)Ascendant Pisces 13°51'02
2nd House Aries 25°20'00
3rd House Taurus 25°52'19
Imum Coeli Gemini 20°05'50
5th House Cancer 12°52'50
6th House Leo 8°43'12
Descendant Virgo 13°51'02
8th House Libra 25°20'00
9th House Scorpio 25°52'19
Medium Coeli Sagittarius 20°05'50
11th House Capricorn 12°52'50
12th House Aquarius 8°43'12

See? *so confused*

~Rebekka

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Azalaksh
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posted October 31, 2006 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Rebekka ~

I tried all the different house systems with your chart and NONE of them show an intercepted house.....

Rev Alice, are you around??

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illusions_fool
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posted October 31, 2006 10:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I'm NOT crazy! Ok! That's somewhat reassuring. =p

~Rebekka

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