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Belage
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posted November 06, 2006 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anybody else willing to make a fool of himself with me in trying to predict the results of the US elections?

Here are my predictions:
In the morning of November 08, when the results will be official, there will be a grand trine of the Moon in Cancer conjunct the US Sun in Cancer, with Uranus in Pisces, and Mars in Scorpio. To me, Uranus being present means some unexpected shake up. There might be some major changes in the House and in Congress.

Also, since this is a Mercury retrograde time, expect results to be contested and votes to be recounted, fraud accusations, and machine malfunctions etc... It is also possible that some politicians might return to power in places they previously occupied.

Anyone else cares to bite the bullet?

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DayDreamer
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posted November 06, 2006 10:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's one http://www.stariq.com/MarketWeek.htm

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carlfloydfan
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posted November 06, 2006 10:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sounds about right

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Belage
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posted November 07, 2006 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a great site, Daydreamer!! Thanks!

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Glaucus
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posted November 07, 2006 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hopefully the gay republican hypocrites being outed and forced to come out of the closet will hurt the Republican party.

They obviously don't believe in practicing what they preach.

hahahahahaa

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carlfloydfan
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posted November 08, 2006 01:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
democrats have taken control of the house.

as of now the senate looks about deadlocked and could even be 50-50..very realistic.

we have a majority of democrats as far as govenors..almost 66%, currently at 28-18 with 14 more states still up for grabs.

I think this is the best we could have hoped for as of now..and hopefully independents, green party, ect will someday gain momenteum as I like their ideals but people continue to ignore them.

I am tired of this pendulum swinging between two parties..canada has 4 major parties..the netherlands 16! granted it may be confusing and prevent things from happening..but sounds good to me as of now!

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carlfloydfan
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posted November 08, 2006 02:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
deadlocked 49-49 for control of senate..its almost like a game haha. analyzers across the nation say democrats may take the last two seats even though they are tight races, recount worthy in fact.

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teaselbaby
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posted November 08, 2006 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teaselbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*edited, because I'm taking back my little bit of happiness for Lieberman. I've liked a few things about him in the past, and even though I strongly disagreed with some of his choices, I didn't agree that he was Bush's plaything.
That said, he thinks it's okay to run as an Independent himself, while continuing to hold a grudge against Ralph Nader? Lieberman supports the war, but tells people to blame Nader for putting Bush there in the first place? What a hypocrite.

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Belage
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posted November 08, 2006 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Cardfloyddan, I too agree that it would be nice to have more than 2 parties in power in the US.

I was just thinking, since IMO the US is Geminy rising (not Sagg rising), having 2 parties is perhaps part of the duality of our rising sign...

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Belage
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posted November 08, 2006 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes teaselbaby, Joe Lieberman was the comeback story of the election.

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pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Glaucus, that was mighty caustic of you. I suppose that would mean there are no gay Democrat hypocrites either? Who was the New Jersey politican that hid his sexuality while meeting gay men in rest areas- cheating on his wife and lying to everyone? Guess he must have been a Republican in disguise?

~Pidaua

Registered Republican- Voted "No" on amending the AZ constitution banning gay marriage.

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lovegoblin
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posted November 08, 2006 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am from va-its deadlocked.
recount is likely-could take weeks.
send good energy to the webb camp.
(maybe i should post this somewhere else?)
sorry if i offended anyone.candidates from both camps are calling on lawyers all across the state today.the recount is automatic in va if less than one percentage point.

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pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No offense lovegoblin. There is nothing wrong with supporting an ideology and a candidate that mirrors a personal beliefs. I am a Republican but I live in a predominantly Democrat city, as I did in Portland, Or and in the state of Maryland.

It is offensive only when one party condemns the other as Glaucus did or as some people when lumping all Conservatives into the "baby killer" definition purely because they do not advocate war.

The US is wonderful in that we are allowed to vote for those we truly want to represent us. Sometimes our candidate wins and sometimes they lose.

This election was close on all counts. That tells me that people had a hard time choosing. Numerous conservative democrats one and they have a philosophy that is at odds with the severe liberals on the East and West coast. I think we are in for a major split within the Democrat party as extreme leftests counter the Southern / Midwestern Democrats.

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lovegoblin
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posted November 08, 2006 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm glad you were not offended pidua.
there are good things to be said about
all parties. because i am from baltimore i am somewhat genetically programmed to be the bluest of the blue-but i have no problems with conservatives at all.
everyone is different, or a combination of all the party beliefs.

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posted November 08, 2006 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pidua,

I didn't mean it like that.

I didn't even lump all republicans together. I was referring to Foley and that one evangelist that got outed.

I am just tired of the hypocrisy of certain republicans that are soooo into moral American values. It's bullcrap! It really ****** me off. They vehemently condemn homosexual people and are strong opponents of gay marriage, but they are gay themselves. They preach and preach,but they are not practicing it.


I am a heterosexual male who doesnt fit the male stereotype and strong believer in gay rights. I am very liberal. I feel that homosexual couples should have the right to marry. I was born in the city most known for homosexuals and liberalism - San Francisco. Perfect place for me the offspring of a Black/White interracial couple to be born in. I wouldn't be caught dead in the Bible belt states...especially Georgia.


I wish church and state was completely separate.

I don't believe that religious beliefs should influence politics....especially when it infringes on the rights of other people. Not everybody here is a Christian. My own religious beliefs are mainly Neopagan,New Age,and Unitarian Universalism. I am a believer in reincarnation that includes the belief that all of us have incarnated as both genders. This belief could correlate with homosexual couples who might actually have been heterosexual couples in pastlives or one of them has been the opposite gender in pastlives and strongly relates to that gender. This means that ban on homosexual marriages violate the religious rights of others. Why can't homosexual couples argue the reincarnation concept to support their rights to marriage like fundamentalist christians argue the bible to support their stance against gay marriage? It seems highly logical. I will be glad when a homosexual strong reincarnation believer fights for homosexuals rights to marriage and succeeds. To me, it's no different from Reverend Martin Luther King Jr,who was black, fighting for civil rights for nonwhites..especially blacks.


I am sorry if I offended you in any way. I was only referring to the hypocrisy.

I think that I get misunderstood a lot.
Mercury is retrograde right now. I have an afflicted Neptune in 3rd house as well as Mercury parallel Neptune,and Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint in my natal chart. Transiting Neptune is squaring my Mercury in 3rd right now. My Dyslexia has often gets me misunderstood,and I need to express my thoughts better. I received my neuropsychological testing report yesterday. I finally got my Dyslexic,Dyspraxic issues confirmed. My neurological testing showed that I definitely have those issues too. My scores ranged from high average to impaired. That's typical of many highly intelligent learning disabled people.

BTW...I feel that Democratic party would handle learning disability issues better than republican party.

I hope all the neocons get thrown out of office.

I apologize for coming across caustic.


Peace.

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CrankyCap
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posted November 08, 2006 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrankyCap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here here Glaucus! Good for you! I completely agree with you. But you know what...debates are good! Hahaha! Really though, I mean c'mon repubs, let us "dirty liberals" gloat a bit! It's been a LONG time since we've had an election to cheer about, and I was literally depressed and in tears after the last presidential election, so I'm going to be HAPPY!!!

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pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First off- people are using the term Neoconservative inappropriately and it is getting old. The Neoconservative movement only represents those that defected from the Liberal / Socialist party. Mainstream conservatives like myself, Bush et.. do not support Neoconservatives. The term has been used by the left to describe the people they hate- the actual word NeoCon conjures up something evil.

Neoconservative:

An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s: “The neo-conservatism of the 1980s is a replay of the New Conservatism of the 1950s, which was itself a replay of the New Era philosophy of the 1920s” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).

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As far as hypocracy, I would love to see it abolished, but I doubt that will happen. Now the Democrats are put into a "put up or shut up" position. They only won by a minority and the races were close. A majority of the Dems are conservative democrats that have nothing in common with the radical views of Pelosi, Dean and others. They will end up aligning with more moderate Conservatives.


Lovegoblin,

I worked in DT Baltimore / Prince Georges' Co and lived in Anne Arundel from 1997 to 2004. I think that there is too much corruption in government and my political leanings were solidified when Glendening stole the race from Sauerbrey. That doesn't even take into consideration the rampant corruption in Baltimore under the likes of Donald 'I like young boys" Schaeffer - what was it he called the Eastern Shore? 'The Sh1thouse of Maryland". In fact Mr. S wouldn't even go to the capitial to reside, but allowed the taxpayers to foot his lodging in Baltimore.

O'Malley is no different. What saddens me is that Ehrlich had over a 60% approval rating and made a huge difference in that state (I voted for him in the last election), yet he didn't win this election because of a knee jerk reaction. O'Malley is bought and paid for by special interest groups so it will be interesting watching how his Governorship plays out. Maryland is still one of those rare states where the Gov has an incredible amount of power.

I fear that the saying with Spendening "He'll do for MD what he did to Prince George's County" is going to apply to O'Malley. Spendening got us into numerous bad deals, put the state into the red and left a HUGE mess for Ehrlich to clean up, which he did, and now O'Malley will run it back into the ground.

MD politics is still important to me and I tracked the elections as though I was still there. I miss MD, but I don't miss some of the politics.


Glaucus,

Sorry I misunderstood what you meant. I am sorry if I upset you, I do not think of you as a bad person in any way, shape or form. I suppose I am a bit sensitive as so many Liberals put all Republicans into the "racists, gay bashing" box.


~Pidaua

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posted November 08, 2006 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pidaua,

It's all good.


I am sure that there are a lot of good republicans like there are a lot of bad democrats.

the mayor of New York seems pretty cool. Guilani

I lost of a lot respect for Bill Clinton for cheating on his wife and lying to the whole nation about it. He's been doing it for years,but he got caught and was revealed to the world.

I also felt John Kerry was a bit on the flaky side...really flip flopped. His wife had a big mouth too and that might have also costed him.

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Cranky Cap, I think a lot of us were crying after the last presidential elections, and yesterday's elections showed, now, that a whole goob-gobb of us are crying these days, because of the last presidential election. Even those that were rejoicing after the last presidential election.

And, now, we'ere left to wonder if in the next year, our current happiness will turn to bitter sobs because of the Democrats. I certainly hope not.... but a politician is a politician. I mean, what I learned about deregulation and Clinton's position in that, and I am a Clinton fan. But, believe me, in the end, these people are motivated by power and money, and will exploit EVERY AVENUE to get it.

However, I will say that, a deep look into the Republican parties mindset and behavior have disgusted me over the years. It's a very selfish mindset, and will exploit any issue to further it's interests. Issues of Religion, Race and Privacy. While the Democrats have enough sense to remain silent "enough" on these issues. Basically, the don't look so "constituent hungry". SO, that's why of the two demons, I choose the less scariest monster, but a monster indeed.

But Republicans, calm down, because you're still in control where it counts. Corporate Capitalism! Exploiting our bank accounts, controlling our beliefs by choosing what will and will not be viewed on TV, be it news, sitcom, drama, documentary..... And TV is the most powerful medium in the world. It got Arnold re-elected and Props 1A-1E approved. And Arnold is Corporations golden boy, and if the voters would've read 1A-1E, then they would've seen that those measures, as good as they sound, will put the people in debt, basically the state, WHILE putting billions of dollars into the pockets of the corporations that they're going to pay to "HELP BUILD CAL -E _ FOR -NA" That's Arnold speaking. Cunning. Very cunning indeed.

Okay, I'll stop now, because I'm on a roll....

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lovegoblin
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posted November 08, 2006 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pid-thanks for that posting that info.
since i have been living in va i am more exposed to conservatives and i realize all are not evil. my bro still lives in the city of bmore and was very happy about o'malley-he was mayor of bmore for a long time.i do hope o'malley does a good job for bmore and maryland. maryland is the bluest of the blue. it is a stronghold-like mass-
it is interesting you got to view md politics from your perspective.

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well looking back on my last post I was a little to caught up in all of this last night and made an ignorant statement when comparing these elections to a game, which was flat out wrong.

when its all said and done we have to remember both the dems and republicans are usually backed by the same exact corporations and lobbyiests and regardless of party, tend to cater to that demographic. Just remember a win for the dems is not going to mean a win for us in the long run. A change in direction does not mean a change in plans. just a change in how they are implented. people need to start realizing 3rd party canidates more.

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pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have come to the conclusion that most people always want someone or something to blame. They blame the government, they blame rich people, they blame poor people, they blame corporations.

It is now politically correct to blame anything for our deficiencies as long as we stay away from blaming certain racial, gender or sexual orientation populations.

People forget that the government and corporations are made of people like us. People working their butts off in order to live a good life.

It is sickening how we look at our own lives and when things don't go well, damn it's the big pharmaceuticals fault. Blame Walmart because they pushed out the overpriced mom and pop stores- yet ya can't stop shopping there because the prices are too damn good.

Working here and in Maryland I am suprised at the number of people on welfare that stay on it because it pays more than working and to be on it they only have to report every other week and say they are TRYING to get a job.

I worked for one of those "evil" corporations and loved it.. It was made up of PEOPLE. I also worked for a well known university that lied on research proposals to milk the tax-payers.

I think it is time for people to take responsibility for their own lives. If my father could work out in the fields and sleep in a rail car as a poor child, work his way through the Military and Law enforcement, so can many of these disgruntled trust fund babies that need a cause to b1tch about.

While I am on that subject - I wonder how many people here are actually from well to do families but they "need" a cause to rally around? I have come across more than a few disgruntled kids of too rich parents that don't want to go to school or work, so they join a cause (instead of having to produce LOL).

Where did this sense of entitlement come from? How is it so many people today feel they DESERVE the big office, big salary, yet they did nothing to educate themselves to get to that point?

Screaming about it does nothing... if people want to make a change, they need better themselves and join in the fight. Picketing doesn't mean crap anymore- neither does setting free infected research animals or burning down housing developments.

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lovegoblin
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posted November 08, 2006 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i need to amend a previous post.

in va-a recount can be requested if one half a point of less between candidates.
it is not automatic. va is the last place to watch. it has been a very interesting evening and day. my goodness.recount is likely. unless one camp concedes.

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Belage
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posted November 08, 2006 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Pidaua, that was a long rant. But if it makes you feel better, go head.

I am feeling a lil bit better myself, after waking up to a more balanced sharing of power in the US.

The republican party has been spoiled these past 12 years, being granted so much power by the American voters. The question that begs to be answered is, has all this power been used for the good of the nation? Obviously, you think it has. But, the majority of Americans don't seem to think so. The results of the elections are more than a "knee jerk reaction."


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pidaua
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posted November 08, 2006 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Belage, thank you for granting me permission. I would expect as much from someone from Northern California. I, myself, am a Native of Southern California -Laguna Hills to be exact.

I won't even get into the historical abuse inflicted by the No Cal liberals and the degradation of the state that lead to Gray Davis being shoved out and replaced with a hulking actor.

The Beautiful thing about America (like Lindaland) is the freedom of speech we are afforded to rant or not to rant

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