posted November 07, 2006 02:16 PM              

There is a guy I know (aries sun, sag moon, unknown rising) who seems to have low self-esteem...I'm not sure, though! I'm having a difficult time figuring him out. He shouldn't have low confidence in himself, because he is very muscular and attractive, but it's just a feeling I get from him.

I'm just curious though in general if there are certain aspects in a chart that could trigger this.

posted November 07, 2006 02:31 PM            

I would definitely say that it's the hard aspects involving Saturn. Saturn's bad stuff is limitations,restrictions,inadequacies as well as being too serious.

also...hard aspects involving Sun because that's ego,self expression.
also...hard aspects involving Venus because that relates to selfworth ...Venus is ruler of 2nd house.........so hard aspects involving 2nd house should be looked at too. also hard aspects involving Moon because that has to do with emotional security.

look at conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,
sesquiquadrate,quincunx,parallel,contraparallel
as well as quindecile(165 degree aspect)

in my chart:
retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th
Saturn conjunct Midheaven
Sun quincunx Saturn in 2nd

Moon square Saturn
Moon square Jupiter
Moon square Neptune
Jupiter oppose Saturn
Jupiter oppose Saturn
(t-square of Moon square the opposition of Jupiter-Neptune conjunction and Saturn)

Moon quincunx Pluto

Mercury contraparallel Saturn
Venus quindecile Saturn
Venus contraparallel Saturn

look at Neptune too....hard aspects can indicate distortions,false perceptions of self linked to being confused with one's self as well as feeling misunderstood. It is also high sensitivity...especially high sensitivity in males can be challenging because sensitivity is not seen as typical male trait and can get them mistakened for being weak or gay. I would also look at strong water influence too.

I have Moon square Neptune,Mercury parallel Neptune,Venus parallel Neptune,Mars square Neptune,Saturn oppose Neptune,Saturn contraparallel Neptune
as well as strong water influence of Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio along with Moon in Pisces. I know what it's like to be so very sensitive that I don't fit the male stereotypes and so I got mistakened for being weak and gay.

look at any significant Virgo. Virgo is a sign that is associated with being critical..even self-critical. They are often hate mistakes. They can be such perfectionists. They can be obsessed with imperfections in themselves. I do have a Virgo Ascendant myself,and I know this personally. Look at Michael Jackson,..he has Sun in Virgo,and he hated the way that he looked that he got plastic surgery to improve his appearance but it actually ruined it. Dysmorphia is a condition that involves distorted perception of body image so that they see flaws that aren't there or they magnify small flaws into something big. It's a psychiatric disorder.

A lot of highly attractive people suffer from this disorder. A lot of highly attractive people are obsessed with how bad they look and want to improve. You will find a lot of highly attractive people with low confidence. A lot of them are very insecure. Social anxiety is connected to all this. All of this is often rooted in pain,wounds in the past.

Oh yeah...look at hard Chiron aspects too. Chiron has to do with wounded healer, and so it has to do with wounds,pain,and inadequacies. I have Chiron quincunx Ascendant myself

as you see, there are numerous possible factors to indicate low self esteem,insecurity.

I hope that your friend ends up feeling better about him. Low self esteem can be a huge problem that ruin a person's life and cause problems in relationships. I know about that personally. I can empathize with him easily because of my own similar experiences.

posted November 07, 2006 04:19 PM              

Chiron in Aries or the first house

In Aries or the first house, the sense of self has been violated in some way, manifesting in feelings of worthlessness, and/or that nothing is ever quite good enough. The lessons of Chiron here are in learning to assert yourself and to take appropriate action or initiative to remedy the situation - appreciate yourself and others for who they are. Easier said than done, as you can tend to be self sabotaging in your thought patterns. Remember your thoughts are powerful - you reap what you put out.

Make a list of areas in your life in which you do feel worthy. Identify your true value and how that value serves you and others. Don't stop listing until your heart opens to loving yourself. Also list the ways in which other's "bad" treatment of you has helped you to learn how to assert yourself and to value yourself more. Again, keep listing until your heart opens to them, and to yourself, for experiencing the lesson.

Chiron's gift is the acknowledgement of your true worth, loved for who you are inside. The Universe loves you just for being who you are. Strive to live truly.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating these feelings are: Frankincense, sandalwood, cedarwood, clove, ormenis flower, neroli, juniper, roman chamomile, geranium.

Chiron in Taurus or the 2nd house

With Chiron in this placement, values and security are prominent issues in your life. You may feel that you have never been given enough - materially, emotionally, mentally or spiritually. Ultimately, your heart may feel neglected and undernourished leading to poor self-esteem. You may over-compensate this inner wound by accruing money and possessions, or clinging to people in the hopes that they can provide you with that missing sense of security. With Chiron here, you may also mistrust your body, feeling that it will let you down, or you may perceive that your body is not beautiful. There may be an injury or physical trauma that you find difficult to come to terms with, or you may have suffered pain through financial loss or financial insecurity.

Make a list of what you have received in your life, particularly from your parents and loved ones. Keep listing until you can acknowledge the abundance that the Universe has provided for you with sincere gratitude and love. Where you feel you have not been given your due, list the ways in which not receiving has helped you to acknowledge the true abundance that lies inside you - in your heart. Also, list out in two columns what you do and don't like about your body and for each list why. For each answer of 'why' look deeper and list the why of that, you will soon find that appearances are truly only skin deep -- your strength and beauty lie inside - -- in your heart.

The Gift of Chiron in Taurus or the 2nd house lies in the acknowledgement of the abundance of love that lies within your own heart................... the Universe provides. You were created in love to express love, and there is no end to that love.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Hyacinth, sandalwood, vetiver, ylang ylang, rose maroc, jasmine, carnation, bergamot, geranium, ormenis flower, cedarwood, tuberose.

Chiron in Gemini or the Third House

A Gemini or third house placement of Chiron often signposts a deep wound of feeling somehow less intelligent, and feelings of being unable to communicate clearly or effectively with others may dominate your thoughts at times. You may have suffered communication problems as a child, making memories of your early schooling painful. You seem to strive to 'know' with ceaseless fervour. Something inside you is wishing to be heard and understood by others. With Chiron here, the mind can function quite naturally in an intuitive or associative manner - the childhood communication and learning 'problems' are often a mismatch of teaching methods to the student's needs.

Sit down and make a list of the areas in which you have great or deep knowledge. Do not accept 'I don't know' for an answer. Keep searching within, to find where your knowledge lies. Also, list those people from whom you learn. How does your knowledge in any given area serve others?

The Gift of Chiron in this placement is the deep pursuit of knowledge and the ability to impart that wisdom to others. The acknowledgement of your own 'Knowing' lies in your heart, beyond words. Deeds communicate more.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Clary sage, ylang ylang, cypress, geranium, pine, sandalwood, bay, ormenis flower, jasmine, clove, pimento berry, mandarin, coriander, angelica seed, sage, cistus, myrtle.

Chiron in Cancer or the Fourth House

In Cancer, the wound is connected with our early mothering and basic security needs. We feel as if it is a bottomless pit that no amount of love can fill. The feeling of being unwanted, unloved, not nurtured or not looked after. You are constantly trying to rescue the unloved within you and because you are very sensitive to other's pain, in the world at large.

There is an inner 'need to be needed' with Chiron here.

Make a list of those people who love you. For each, list the ways in which they show that love. Where you feel a lack of love, list the ways that this has helped you turn inward to your own love deep in your heart. The wellspring of love is in your own heart not outside you. For those whom you try to rescue, list the predicament that is serving them to awaken their own hearts.

The Gift of Chiron in Cancer or the forth house lies in the discovery of the infinite love that lies within your own heart, the needy child within waiting for you to acknowledge and care for it. You as a sentient entity in this Universe are love. The gradual understanding that all things in life serve to turn you back to that love within.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Basil, lemon, cedarwood, grapefruit, pine, vetiver, patchouli, juniper, myrrh, cypress, cardamon, petigrain, geranium, frankincense, rosemary, pimento berry, bay.

Chiron in Leo and the Fifth House

A fifth house or Leo placement of Chiron often suggests that the ability to be spontaneous and carefree may be wounded. You may feel deep down that you cannot express the things that are within you.

You may have been prevented from expressing yourself creatively as a young child, and subsequently suppressed this aspect of yourself, giving rise later in life to a difficulty in overcoming feelings of inadequacy. Many times this manifests as a vacillation between wanting to be the star of the moment and such a fear of failure that you are unable to just 'let it go'. Your essence, your creativity and joie-de-vivre remain captive within. Perhaps you feel that the opportunity has never been given to you, or that others do not recognise your gifts and talents.

To help in letting go, list the ways in which you do shine in your life. List your creations and how they have served you and others. List the ways in which you do express what is inside of you. Where you might feel that you have been thwarted from expressing what is inside you, list the ways in which this has helped you to acknowledge and seek to express this.

Chiron's gift here is your acknowledgement of the special ways that you contribute to the world, and the realisation that no matter what others did or did not do, no matter what you did or did not do, you can not help but shine.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Hyancinth, jasmine, frankincense, ylang ylang, cedarwood, pine, patchouli, vetiver, juniper.

Chiron in Virgo or in the Sixth House

I believe that this is the natural placement of Chiron and as such manifests most powerfully.

Here, there is usually a deep need for healing and integration of the self due to a nagging sense of lack of wholeness. You may feel as though things are wrong with you that can never be fixed, never healed...that you are somehow imperfectly made. The link between emotions and physical health is unusually strong. Control and an inability to feel secure in delegation of responsibility is another issue to be dealt with. Exercise and dietary regimes may be rigidly ordered and adhered to, but no matter what seems to get fixed, you are not satisfied. Health and healing will be important matters, and in your search for self-healing you will be drawn to help others, and teach them to help themselves with what you have learned.

By honestly and sincerely listing the areas of yourself and your life in which you feel you are whole, healed, and integrated, and then listing the things that you think are not right with you, then, for each item on the list, note the ways in which it is helping you to evolve, grow and heal, you will come to realise a profound connection with all life.

Chiron's gift to you here lies in a deep understanding of healing. The acknowledgement of a Universal plan that goes beyond the limited earthly view - the unveiling of the perfection of existence that all things serve the divine plan.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Rose maroc, ylang ylang, patchouli, vetiver, galbanum, cypress, frankincense, Rose otto.

Chiron in Libra and in the Seventh House

In Libra or the seventh house there is usually a feeling that you cannot relate to others properly - relationships seem to go wrong no matter how hard you try. Blame, or projection, mirroring and defensiveness are important issues for you to deal with, and the harmony and peace that you ardently desire seems to be constantly disrupted by others or yourself. You may fear that you will never find the 'right' person.

You will learn much through your relationships, and most particularly, the fact that your sense of individuality does not depend upon whether or not others like it. Your trials and tribulations will lead you to develop good counselling and arbiting skills.

To realise your own potentials here, try making a list - an honest appraisal if you will - of the 'positive' things that you have given others in relationships. Keep listing until your heart opens. For each of the perceived 'failures', list the benefits, lessons, gifts that resulted from them, for others and for yourself. For all the times when peace was disrupted, list the benefits to you and others when this was so. Also, make a short list of attributes of a perfect partner for you. Then, for each one, list the ways in which you have these attributes in you.

Chiron's gift here lies in the realisation that you are whole as you are, and an appreciation that independence and dependence are inseparable and always equally balanced.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Rose otto, coriander, bergamot, frankincense, ylang ylang, basil, sweet fennel, coriander, grapefruit, neroli.

Chiron in Scorpio or in the Eighth House

Personal transformation and themes of birth/death, sexuality loss through separateness, abandonment, emotional destructiveness are all possible scenarios with Chiron here. It may be that you suffered a deep wound through the loss or death of someone quite early in your life. There may be fears that what you do have could be taken from you at any moment, and emotional control may be used to hold on. In people with this Chiron placement often there is deep pain associated with birth trauma. There may be feelings of sexual inadequacy, and sensitivity to painful undercurrents, causing you pain.

List out the things that you miss in the person or thing that has died or been lost. For each one, list the ways in which what it is that you miss is still present in your life. The form that it takes my be different from what you would expect. Then list the ways in which the sense of 'missing' has driven you to the acknowledgement and expression of your special gifts.

Chiron's special gift here is the expansion of your understanding of yourself. The bringing out of unacknowledged gifts of understanding, compassion and counselling. The eventual realisation that nothing truly dies, only the form changes... spirit and love is eternal and always available to the open heart.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Sandalwood, vetiver, cedarwood, narcissus, clary sage, orange, lemon, rose otto, frankincense, geranium, cedarwood, bay.

Chiron in Sagittarius or in the Ninth House

Religion and philosophy and the feeling that you have no wisdom or deep understanding are Chironic themes here. There is usually a longing to apply what we feel as a deeply devotional sense or passionate zeal that can be easily misdirected, and this can create insecurity in our beliefs. There is the possibility that solace is found in travels to holy shrines, experiencing other cultures, their religions and mythology. Sometimes with this Chiron placement, there is difficulty in finding meaning in anything at all, and disillusionment and despair may set in.

List all of the ways in which you are wise and have deep understanding, and the ways in which others benefit from that wisdom. Open your heart and listen, they are there.

Chiron's gift here is in the discovery and acknowledgement of the great wisdom that lies within your heart. The realisation that adventure and joy of life is to be had, no matter where you are, or what you are doing. It is inside you, given to you by the Universe to share.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Cardamon, ginger, juniper, pine, geranium, linden blossom, orange, ylang ylang, rose maroc, rosemary, peppermint, neroli.

Chiron in Capricorn or in the Tenth House

A 10th house or Capricorn placement of Chiron often manifests in a difficulty in setting and achieving goals, or finding our niche in society. There is also the possibility that we may be living up to parental expectations to achieve where they have failed - carrying other's burdens is often a theme, particularly that of the mother. Feelings of inadequacy and that you are not acknowledged for your true worth can also be issues.

If these themes are manifesting in your life, try listing the ways in which you are acknowledged and appreciated by others. Also, make a list of what you believe your value is. Acknowledge your value. Then for each instance where you feel that you are not valued, recognised or heard, list the ways in which this has helped you to value, recognise and hear yourself.

Chiron's special gift here is the acknowledgement of your own value. To recognise yourself and where your gifts lie. To listen and hear the messages of your own heart, see your special place in the Universe, and to help others do the same.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Cardamon, lemon, ginger, black pepper, bergamot, orange, jasmine, rose otto, ormenis flower, basil, peppermint, linden blossom, vetiver, jasmine, clary sage.

Chiron in Aquarius or in the Eleventh House

Placement of Chiron here often gives deep connection to the psyche and the collective unconscious, but there are usually blocks to overcome. Here the wound is usually a sense of disconnection, distance, isolation and alieation from the world and from the Universe. This feeling of being unable to fit in may make us reject the tenets of groups or society, but the longing to belong remains.

Often, due to the sensitivity to the collective, people with this Chiron placement will be forward thinking and may be rejected by groups and society simply because they are ahead of their time - shades of 'discovery' here.

Try listing the special ways in which you are connected to life, to others, to the world and to the Universe. List the benefits and gifts of feeling alone, isolated and alienated. Also list the ways in which your 'differentness' is a gift and blessing to you and others. Write your thoughts and dreams in a journal.

Chiron's special gift to you is the development of an objective and original viewpoint towards life, and the realisation of the interconnectedness of all things. The acknowledgement of your unique gifts and individuality. Your right to be you.

Essential oils which will assist in dissipating and coming to terms with these feelings are: Frankincense, sweet fennel, sandalwood, neroli, rose maroc, jasmine, hyacinth, benzoin, carnation, cedarwood, bay, tuberose, violet leaf, marjoram.

Chiron in Pisces or in the Twelfth House

With this Chiron placement, we can be at odds with ourselves. The sign of the fishes depicts two fish (dualism) yoked together and swimming in opposite directions. Deception, emotional manipulation and genuine transcendental experiences can potentially weave together in confusion. Piscean sensitivity to undercurrents is an issue, and as a result, we can lose our individuality and can experience a wound of grief through a loss of faith in the Universe.

List the ways in which you feel that the Universe has betrayed you and then for each one list the ways in which these events or circumstances have served you or others. What lessons of love were given by it and learned through it? Everything in the Universe is an act of love - it is just that sometimes you don't recognise the form that love takes. Also, look at what you are doing in your life now, and list the ways in which the past 'betrayals' of the Universe have helped you to get there. There are no 'accidents' in life.

Chiron's gift here lies in your ability to acknowledge and re-embrace the of divinity, the guiding hand, the Master Plan. To open your heart once more to love and the Creator. To see that all things that happen in life serve to teach compassion and love.

posted November 07, 2006 04:58 PM            

I would never say that's irrelevant. T-Square is a very challenging aspect pattern. It is highly relevant. Aspect patterns indicate strong themes in a person's life. A very challenging aspect pattern like t-square indicates a very challenging theme. T-Square involves high degree of friction,stresses,pressures,balance,opposing issues. They can push you hard and make you driven to action. They can help you grow,learn,and build strong character like lifting weights help you build muscle. You can learn things the hard way,and you use those experiences to be successful. You resist against weight of life and persevere so you can succeed. That's why t-squares are common in very successful people. Chiron is a minor planet and one of 40 centaur bodies in our solar system,and so it doesn't even compare to a t-square..especially involving Saturn. That's bigtime insecurity. Chiron and other minor planets are more like like refinement or finetuning indicators. I would always consider the major planets and aspects first.

An astrology should never dismiss nor underestimate a t-square. To ignore a t-square is to overlook dominant themes. Just by looking at aspect patterns, you can easily see the big picture in the chart. It's all in the geometry. Astrology is mainly geometry.

This type of configuration occurs when two planets oppose each other and both are squared by a third planet. The T-square is a difficult combination of aspects as it indicates the need to overcome many obstacles, but at the same time, it produces a strong driving ambition to do so. The tension and awareness created by the two planets in opposition must be resolved by the planet receiving the double square. This third planet becomes a focal point of much importance in your chart.The T-square causes a lot of difficulty in the life but they also spark action and the drive necessary to achieve. Living with the demands of a T-square can be very challenging, but when the energy of this configuration is well-directed by a mature individual, it often leads to significant accomplishments. The T-square is an impetus to success that many famous people have.

I have a t-square,and I know that my Chiron aspects don't even compare to it.

posted November 07, 2006 05:05 PM              

A few others:

Personal planets falling in the 12th house weaken the ego so these are definitely bad.

posted November 07, 2006 05:44 PM            

I have sun opp sat and squ ura. This was very difficult to deal with as a youngster and still is.
Also I have chiron in the first.

posted November 07, 2006 06:10 PM            

My girlfriend has an unaspected Venus in Taurus in 2nd,and she has a history of relationship issues including being hurt by others in relationships as well as had self esteem issues. She's fine now.

She and I are both lucky to have each other.

posted November 07, 2006 08:11 PM              

He has Capricorn Saturn squaring his Aries sun at 25 deg.

& Saturn squaring Mars at 25 deg.
His moon and mercury are in Sag. and Tau. in terrible aspect.

His Venus is at 8 deg. Pisces, if that could mean something.

posted November 07, 2006 09:39 PM              

I have a T-square:
Moon/12th squared by Sun/10th and Saturn/Pluto/4th.

My moon is conj my Asc, so my Asc is T-squared too.

Finally, Mercury is conj Chiron.

My moon/Asc. in Leo don't help either. Deep down, I desire attention, but Saturn/Chiron influences shut me up and make me feel guilty. It's like rotten tomatoes every time.

posted November 08, 2006 12:18 AM              

moon in gemini in 2nd house

sun conj saturn

jupiter in virgo in 6th house..

posted November 08, 2006 03:27 AM              

Fascinating topic! Thanks izodesmozina for the great info about chiron!

posted November 08, 2006 03:49 AM              

It really depends... What is the nature of your relationship? If you're just acquented, it's weird getting that personal with him. Do you want a romantic relationship with this guy? Just make sure you're in for the right reasons. He won't appreciate if you pity him (being a proud Aries, I imagine). The most important thing I could tell you is to be cautios (he might get hurt by just one single word that triggers something), be patient (he'll confess when he is ready, don't pressure him) and be subtle (drop a compliment every now and then). Just try to be understanding (having low-esteem usually means some kind of psychological drama and even if he tries to hide it, he might have some fobias or other strange behaviors) and always on his side (these people seek aproval more than anything else).
Hope this helps and everything works out!
Take care!