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AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
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posted November 13, 2006 09:10 PM
  
I've seen so many of these threads lately, and people have been really generous, so I'm gonna post my and my girlfriend's charts for you guys to dissect. I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say. It's a very good connection I'd say, but it seems there's something lacking in the non-verbal communication. We talk easily, but there's a lot of clarification involved when talking about how we perceive one another.Me
December 26, 1972
at 2:34 PM in Orange, CA Sun Capricorn 5°16'40 in house 8 direct
Moon Virgo 29°35'09 in house 5 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 17°17'54 in house 7 direct
Venus Sagittarius 10°10'47 in house 7 direct
Mars Scorpio 27°27'50 in house 6 direct
Jupiter Capricorn 16°38'36 in house 8 direct
Saturn Gemini 15°40'09 in house 1 retrograde
Uranus Libra 22°36'30 in house 6 direct
Neptune Sagittarius 6°04'02 in house 7 direct
Pluto Libra 4°23'45 in house 5 direct
True Node Capricorn 16°51'40 in house 8 direct House positions (Placidus)Ascendant Gemini 2°53'38
2nd House Gemini 27°36'44
3rd House Cancer 19°46'00
Imum Coeli Leo 13°41'56
5th House Virgo 13°23'59
6th House Libra 21°35'25
Descendant Sagittarius 2°53'38
8th House Sagittarius 27°36'44
9th House Capricorn 19°46'00
Medium Coeli Aquarius 13°41'56
11th House Pisces 13°23'59
12th House Aries 21°35'25 Her
December 9, 1965
at 9:11 AM in Wichita Falls, TX Sun Sagittarius 17°20'43 end of house 11 direct
Moon Gemini 29°32'18 in house 6 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 3°44'29 in house 11 retrograde
Venus Aquarius 1°54'17 in house 1 direct
Mars Capricorn 19°23'51 in house 1 direct
Jupiter Gemini 27°25'17 in house 6 retrograde
Saturn Pisces 11°03'23 in house 2 direct
Uranus Virgo 19°31'07 in house 8 direct
Neptune Scorpio 20°43'49 in house 10 direct
Pluto Virgo 18°26'03 in house 8 direct
True Node Gemini 4°41'45 in house 5 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house. House positions (Placidus)Ascendant Capricorn 9°52'56
2nd House Aquarius 17°47'17
3rd House Pisces 26°51'35
Imum Coeli Aries 29°27'53
5th House Taurus 25°15'33
6th House Gemini 17°30'20
Descendant Cancer 9°52'56
8th House Leo 17°47'17
9th House Virgo 26°51'35
Medium Coeli Libra 29°27'53
11th House Scorpio 25°15'33
12th House Sagittarius 17°30'20 IP: Logged |
LuLu
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posted November 13, 2006 09:21 PM
Question...do you find that sometimes the non-verbal communication is misconstrued and thus the verbal clarification ensues? I swear I do have a point with this, I just want to see your answer first...IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 13, 2006 09:24 PM
Yup. Often.Edit to add: Not often as in it's getting on my nerves often. I'm just saying that it's happened more than once. I think with me it's an appearance of superficiality, and with her it's a certain sterness that she doesn't mean to convey. Editted again to add:
And it's been ok, because we do talk and clarify and get back to a place of understanding and empathy for one another. Our lives together aren't all sterness and superficiality by any stretch. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted November 13, 2006 09:29 PM
Do you mean what she THINKS you're saying vs. what you really said??
Like Lulu, a bit more clarification please, Captain 
I think the Moon sq Moon may be part of it.....IP: Logged |
LuLu
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posted November 13, 2006 09:37 PM
From my experience, having a Cap Ascendant, I come off unintentionally as more cold/stern and superficial than I am. More direct and unemotional that I actually am. I think part of it is my Cappy insecurity and a way to protect myself. Kind of an arms length kind of thing. And I often find that my need to observe and watch non-verbal communication of others can be my downfall because I often misinterpret what is being "said". Again...it goes back to the insecurity. I assume that they are "saying" the worst. For me...actions and words have to coincide...they have to say the same thing. And I usually need the words to comfort me and to assure me that I am not misreading the situation.Aside from that, my moon is in Sag. The cheery and positive outlook can often be a mask for my sensitive side underneath. Again, a way to interact and communicate with others and still keep them at arms length to protect myself. With my close friends and family, that isn't the case at all. I am extremely open and vulnerable. But with love relationships, it is hard. It's a different kind of risk and harder to be vulnerable. Hence the cold Cappy mask and the smily Sag. persona. IP: Logged |
lovely*
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posted November 13, 2006 10:05 PM
moon square moon needs to explain itself because misunderstandings are common.(I haven't looked at the rest..) IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 13, 2006 10:47 PM
Well, with her perceptions of me...
For instance, yesterday after watching Stranger Than Fiction (new movie with Will Ferrell) she wondered aloud at how I can get so easily emotional watching movies, but when she's feeling down I try to keep things positive. So it appears I feel empathy alongside these characters I'm watching, but I don't do that in my personal life as much. It's true, and in the end I told her I'd probe her more when she's feeling down. She's not real forthright about the things she's feeling, though, because she knows her feelings are temporary. Because she's said as much I've been figuring that she's trying to protect me by not letting me in on her depressing times.With my perceptions of her...
She comes across kinda dry, and one of the first misunderstandings on my part is the way she appears to be a health food nut. I basically voiced a concern over being judged on what I eat to which she asked that she not be judged by what or how she eats. It made things much easier knowing that I wasn't under scrutiny everytime we were together. I've come to find out that she's actually fairly contradictory with her eating habits, and I don't know if I'll ever figure out what that's about. IP: Logged |
LuLu
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posted November 13, 2006 10:56 PM
I tend to keep things to myself too about how I am feeling. It's hard to let anyone in. On that note...it's a good sign that she made the comment about you not probing her when she is down. It's her way of letting you know that she wants to let you in. You should know though that she is never going to be forthright on her own without you asking the questions. In my mind, if the person is taking the time to ask the questions then it means they care enough to want to really know me. If they don't ask...I assume they don't care (whether that is the truth or not). My feelings then end up getting hurt because I assume i feel more than they do. It's hard to be vulnerable. Even if what i am feeling is fleeting or temporary.On the note about the eating habits...I know that i am the same way. My eating habits are a daily changing thing. It only makes sense in my mind. I know I should eat better, and i go through bouts of be a health food nut. But then those crazy cheeseburgers call my name  But I would never judge anyone else for that. Everyone is their own person. Unless it's a question of morality...I enjoy knowing a person has their own mind and own likes/dislikes. I could mesh with just about anyone given the right opportunity. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 13, 2006 11:09 PM
She's really easy to get along with as well. That's one of the things I really like about her. It's nice to go out with a Mutable person.IP: Logged |
LuLu
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posted November 13, 2006 11:13 PM
It sounds like she is a really great person. And I love the getting to still know each other feeling that you have going on. It's really sweet to see how much you care about her and your relationship with her. I wish you the best of luck.IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted November 14, 2006 12:13 AM
Saggies with gemini moon DO tend to come off kinda dry, it's a very detached an changeable sort of energy. Typically high strung and often hard to reach. Fortunately her asc goes will with your sun, that match alwasy helps to increase understanding. Also your asc goes well with her moon. That direct square on your moons is probably the source of the problem, moon squares alwasy leave you both feeling so differently to any oncoming stimulus into the environment, that you might feel you're in one of those "never on the same page" relationships. It's going to take a lot of empathy and open communication. You do have some tough aspects but I think you can work it out, you're both verbal and probably tend to intellectualize your emotions, so someone is going to have to bring things more to a water level, not sure who that will be IP: Logged |
Arnicka
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posted November 14, 2006 01:17 AM
Hi AG, I looked at your Moon Mercuries first but since theres no real harsh aspect between them [just somewhat discordant signs] and then I saw the Moon Moon sq. Personally I just ended a friendship that had that aspect, we definitely didnt have enough love or patience with each other to handle it [meaning our seemingly continuous mistunderstandings of each other]. But I think the fact that theyre in Mutable signs counts for something [ours were in cardinal] meaning that you have more fluidity in dealing with it. But I also saw a Mars square Uranus between you too. Maybe this adds to it?    IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 14, 2006 12:23 PM
Gratuitous bump!IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted November 14, 2006 01:18 PM
Can you plz post the composite data? My astro.com info bank is fullIP: Logged |
wilsontc
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posted November 14, 2006 01:23 PM
AG,In looking at relationships, it helps to look at the people in the relationship and see how each person approaches relationships (looking at Libra, Venus, and 7th house). In your chart you have Libra modifying Uranus (friends), indicating you may like to have "friendly relationships". You have Libra modifying Pluto (transformation, also control), indicating you may have a "control or be controlled" attitude toward relationships. You have Sagittarius (expansion) modifying Venus, indicating you may be "expansive" in your relationships. Saturn (duty, also restriction, authority) opposes (energy is over-excited by) Venus, indicating you may feel restricted in your relationships and may be interested in having relationships with older, more "authoritative" people. You have Neptune (spirituality, also idealization) conjunct (energy is combined with) Venus, so you may idealize relationships in some way. You also have a lot of energy in the 7th house indicating you tend to have relationships for the sake of having relationships. Your girlfriend has no planets in Libra. She has Aquarius (friends) modifying Venus, indicating she also may like "friendly relationships". Her Venus is focused in the 1rst house (being, also action), indicating she may like to "conquer" in relationships. Venus is also "least aspected" indicating she may have a problem "connecting in" to relationships energy. There are no planets in the 7th house indicating she does not have relationships for the sake of having relationships. Looking at the synastry chart of the relationship, there are challenging connections between your Sun and Moon, indicating there is a challenging "connection" between you. Most of the personal planet (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars) connections are challenging. The challenging connections are mostly conjunctions (energy is combined with), which can be exciting in the short term but challenging in the long term as you continually "bump up against" each other. Looking at the rest of the planets, there are challenging Saturn (duty, also restriction, authority) connections between you, indicating you both may try to be the "authority" in the relationship. Her Saturn square (energy needs to be combined with) your Mercury (thinking, also talking) could indicate she cuts you off in your speaking in some way. In addition you have Uranus (friends, also rebellion) square (energy needs to be combined with) Mars (being, also action) bewteen you so there could be some "blowups"...be careful how you interact to avoid this possibility. There are a lot of challenges in this synastry, but with those challenges comes an opportunity to work TOGETHER to develop your relationship. Allow each other some "space" in the relationship, agree that you BOTH are the "boss" (take turns at this role), and avoid violent arguments. Do just these things and any issues between you should clear up pretty quickly! Relating, Tim IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 14, 2006 01:31 PM
Violence certainly shouldn't be an issue, especially on my part. (I believe it's the air signs that convey a non-violent disposition on me.)I can agree that there may be a certain degree of us both being the boss. BlueRoamer, The composite is interesting. Sun Sagittarius 26°18'42 in house 10
Moon Leo 14°33'44 in house 5
Mercury Sagittarius 10°31'12 in house 9
Venus Capricorn 6°02'32 in house 10
Mars Sagittarius 23°25'51 in house 10
Jupiter Aries 7°01'57 in house 1
Saturn Aries 28°21'46 in house 2
Uranus Libra 6°03'48 in house 7
Neptune Scorpio 28°23'56 in house 9
Pluto Virgo 26°24'54 in house 7
True Node Pisces 25°46'43 in house 1 HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)Ascendant Pisces 21°23'17
2nd House Aries 22°42'00
3rd House Taurus 23°18'48
Imum Coeli Gemini 21°34'54
5th House Cancer 19°19'46
6th House Leo 19°32'53
Descendant Virgo 21°23'17
8th House Libra 22°42'00
9th House Scorpio 23°18'48
Medium Coeli Sagittarius 21°34'54
11th House Capricorn 19°19'46
12th House Aquarius 19°32'53 Notice Uranus and Pluto hanging out in the 7th squaring Sun and Mars. IP: Logged |
CrankyCap
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posted November 14, 2006 01:50 PM
AG - One of my best friends is a Sag/Gem. The top three words that come to mind when I think of her are: restless, social, and independent...HIGHLY independent. I'm not sure how long you've been dating this girl, but I've been friends with this Saggy for 16 years. She's a wonderful, wonderful friend. She makes new friends very easily, she's active in many social circles, LOVES to travel, and has absolutely no fear of getting up and moving to a new city even if she doesn't know anyone. That's an adventure to her. Every time I talk to her she's got some new trip scheduled.She was always very good at staying level headed and calming me down when I would get overly emotional over boyfriends and things. She would always make me see things from the other side. The biggest flaw(s) I can think of that you might want to watch out for is a slight detachment emotionally, and a somewhat general lack of warmth. There won't be much that will shake her up, and she probably wouldn't do well with a sappy, sentimental type of man. My friend is also a big flirt...not sure if your girl is like that, but if you're the jealous type you might want to watch out for that. I know this isn't really a "synastry" type response, but I figured I'd try and help you figure her out a little if I could. Good Luck! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 14, 2006 02:02 PM
With the Capricorn Ascendant she doesn't seem as social as your friend. I hope to make our relationship fairly social, though. Especially being in a new area it would be good for her to be out meeting people. Being a Sag, she has lots of energy, so it would be good to get out and join a gym or take classes together or something.Her and I are similar in our emotional natures I'd say. I think people would see us both as fairly stable, and not emotionally expressive, though we both are privately. I think I can enjoy that aspect of her to be honest. I've had the more watery types, and the practical part of me thinks this is a little easier to relate with. IP: Logged |
CrankyCap
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posted November 14, 2006 02:25 PM
I think taking some kind of class together is an excellent idea. When my friend moved to St. Louis a couple of years ago she joined a bowling league, and a choral group almost immediately. She met a lot of friends that way and eventually took a trip to Mexico with the girls from the bowling league. That's a great idea...meeting new people and expanding her horizons will probably be therapeutic for her.IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted November 14, 2006 06:25 PM
AG... I am a visual person and need to actually look at the synastry wheel before I make too many comments.What I will say is this... about eating habits - I used to drive my friends crazy because I would like something one day and just think it was ick the next day. Somedays I only wanted things healthy, then the next a Cheeseburger meal was just what the doc ordered. Taste is similar to our moods as a Sag- we like it or feel it one day.... then it's onto something new. I will post back once I look at the wheel IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted November 14, 2006 06:42 PM
I have to agree with what Wilson TC has to say... I think there are going to be some major challenges, but as long as you two can keep up the communication you'll be better off than other couples.Keep in mind that as a Sag, we are a contradiction in terms. We are social, but not always. We are highly energetic yet we are also prone to long down times where we just want to be alone. We can stress ourselves out by trying to please everyone - yet the people in our lives are not asking to be pleased or even trying to exert pressure on us. Your Sag is a full moon baby, which brings about it's own bag of happiness. She can be cool as a cucumber and then fly into a tirade about wigets.. she doesn't feel it is a tirade but others not used to the expansive Saggie may think it is. Saggies can get depressed, but our bouts are shorter than most people- still we feel it deeply. The Saturn aspects are harsh - Your Saturn in Gemini opposes her Sun and slightly her Venus. Her Saturn in Pisces squares your Saturn, Venus and Neptune. At times you may feel that she is a wet blanket on your dreams / love nature, while she may think you are a control freak that doesn't understand her basic nature. Although there are some soft aspects and nice house positions- her Sun / Mercury fall into your 7th house, there are some "uneasy" house positions as well. Your Sun falls into her 12th house - she may feel that you are looking at her short-comings and you may instinctively know her fears- that is scary to her- especially for someone with a Gemini moon (they like their privacy and they aren't incredibly emotional). Her Mercury conjuncts your Neptune and HONESTY is going to be paramount in this relationship. Neither of you will be able to lie to each other and once one does... the other will find out and it will all blow up - better to just follow the honest path and not deal with that. There is a definite connect though that cannot be broken. Her Venus trines your Pluto and Moon. That is found in Karmic charts- BUT that could be Karma to learn with lessons being more Plutonian or as a reward - thus being more Venusian. I'll post more tomorrow if you would like. I hope I didn't impose IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 14, 2006 07:24 PM
It's cool. I posted it for comment. All are welcome. I mean it's almost bad to do this in a way. Not sure I should color my perceptions like this.IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted November 15, 2006 03:42 AM
You being a Cappy. I am applauding your willigness to share~I'll be back to post my thoughts. ------------------
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted November 15, 2006 02:35 PM
Hi AG, I wouldn't worry about it clouding your perceptions as long as you keep a level head (which is pretty much a sure thing for a Cappy). I have always looked at synastry as a tool but not as an absolute. Bear and I have a few stressful aspects, not many but enough to make it interesting. I look at them as a way to understand where he is coming from and how to deal with an issue. For example, he has a Pisces Moon and it squares my Sun / Venus in Sag. There are times when he is more sentimental than I am or I feel like my basic fiery nature has trampled his sensitive moon on certain issues. Knowing we have that aspect, I will think before I speak on various subjects and then approach them in a way that his moon will better understand. Then again, his Sun / Mercury being in Leo makes us understand each other on a deeper level (this planets trine my Sun / Moon / Venus). A negative way to use it is similar to what my ex did to me. In our chart we had Moon in Virgo (his) conjunct Pluto in Virgo (mine). The interpretation was such that we had a "push me - pull you" type of control issue going on between us. Each one fighting for dear life not being controlled, but karmically it was said to be indicative of a past life where one alienated the other - or possible used violence against the other. The ex would always say "You need to listen to me because like that chart said - you alienated me in the past and most likely killed me" It was absurd... but that is how synastry can be used in a negative way. How does she feel about astrology? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 15, 2006 04:41 PM
She's ok with it... thankfully. Lord knows I'd have probably gotten on her nerves by now if she wasn't. I'm always coming out with oddball astrological stuff.IP: Logged |
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