posted November 22, 2006 12:08 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted November 22, 2006 02:18 PM            

religious can mean belief in higher power and divine order.

I believe in a higher power and divine order.

I believe in God.....I am a pantheist and so I believe that the divine is all and that the divine is in all. I definitely believe in karma,reincarnation,pastlives. I believe that karma has to do with divine order.

My religious beliefs are Neopagan,New Age,and Unitarian Univeralism.

My indicators seem to be Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd opposing my retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th square my Moon in Pisces in 6th. That t-square can indicate serious issues involving religion,philosophy,spirituality,belief systems,and ideals as well as things like racism,bigotry......being a multiethnic minority that's part black in USA is no picnic. I know what it's like to be called the n'word by nonblacks and given a hard time by blacks for not acting black enough or acting too white,being a sell out,talking too white,and for being with white women(color or my mother). Like I said before my multiethnic background is one of the main reasons why I believe in Unity and Universal Love which seemed to be lessons of my t-square. I was even kinda naive because of my idealism about interracial harmony and was blind to racism. I learned about it the hard way. Racism really makes me sick. I was born in San Francisco where my parents met. Perfect city for an interracial couple to meet and a multiethnic person to be born in. Maybe my Pisces moon trine 12th house ruler(Sun)helps me understand the unity,universal love concept due to my multiethnic heritage.

My girlfriend is very spiritual,pantheist,into metaphysical things like me,and so I am very content. She and I even both have the mystic cross(cross between heart and head lines under the mount of Saturn)

here is a poem that I wrote in 1997 to express my idealism about Unity,Universal Love. This was before I even got into Astrology.

U N I T Y
Unity is our ultimate goal
for we are the same
underneath our skins
that come in many colors.
Remember our blood
is the same color.
So keep that in mind.
Don't throw away the dream
which is unity.
There are no separate races
for there is only one race,
and that is the Human Race.
We are all created equal
because we are all human beings,
and so we should unite
on our home planet, Earth.
In order for our world to survive,
we have to stop the violence
and eradicate the hate
which will ultimately destroy us all.
Eternal peace will only be achieved
through love and compassion
as we struggle to coexist.
We should love each other
for we are all related
and should be in unity.

here is a youtube video. It's a Eurodance song called Take Away The Colour [1993] by Ice MC. I love this song. It's so catchy with a great message of interracial harmony,unity.

The female singer who sings the chorus "Take away the colour, erase away the pain. Let's all live together, we're all the same
Open up you hearts and open up your minds. Free to be as one, just about that time." is a mixed Black/White woman.

Pretty cool!

posted November 22, 2006 03:40 PM            

Jupiter/9th house represents religion, religous views and beliefs, that sort of thing..

The 12th house is spirituality....

I'm a very spiritual person, however, I'm not religious at all. I don't "believe" (if you will) in the concept of religion. I feel that spirituality and the connection to the divine and a high power(s) loses it's meaning when religion is formed/practice. It just seems more "generalized" and spirituality is more "personal".

ANYWAYS, you get the point. Once again, And that's my personal opinion and views, before anyone on here jumps down my throat and tries to condemn me as a blasphemist.

posted November 22, 2006 03:55 PM            

I am very religious,spiritual, and I don't believe in organized religion.

A lot of New Age beliefs like reincarnation,pastlives,and karma are shared by Hindus,Buddhists, and I think even pagans

Pantheism is a belief in god ...its belief that the divine is in all and that all is divine

Some believe that God is just nature itself. That all natural things is divine.

Pan is the Greek God of Nature. Pan is a word that means "all"

many neopagans,new agers believe in pantheism. Some say hindus believe in pantheism. They believe that all gods is part of Brahma.

Unitarian Univeralism is a religion that even can include agnostics,atheists.

posted November 22, 2006 04:42 PM              

Im both spiritual and religious. I have to marry someone of the same religion because I know it wont work out if my hubby doesnt share the same beliefs.

Ive got a Pisces Moon, and Jupiter conjunct IC, aspects my Sun, Mars and Mercury.

posted November 22, 2006 07:12 PM            

Jup 1st house conj asc, trine Nep, conj chiron.
Venus in 9th house/sag
Neptune 8th house/sag trine asc
9th house ruled by sag
12th house ruled by pisces.

I don't agree with some church doctrines, eg I believe in gay rights etc. Must be Aqu sun squ ura

posted November 22, 2006 07:37 PM            

I think what it all comes down to is what religious and spiritual means to the individual. It seems that both religious and spiritual are hard to pinned down and hard to describe and grasp fully...that's how Neptune,Pisces,12th house can be. It can also be expansive too....so fits with Jupiter,Sagittarius,12th house.

Unitarian Univeralism is a more of an alternative religion with no creed.

General Beliefs of UUs

Unitarian Universalists (UUs) believe in complete but responsible freedom of speech, thought, belief, faith, and disposition. They believe that each person is free to search for his or her own personal truth on issues like the existence, nature, and meaning of life, deities, creation, and afterlife. UUs can come from any heritage, have any sexual orientation, and hold beliefs from other cultures and religions.

Concepts about deity are quite diverse among UUs. Some believe that there is no god; others believe in many gods. Some believe that God is everything. Some believe in a female God (Goddess), a passive God, or that god is found in nature. Some UUs reject the idea of deities and instead speak of "universal spirit" or "reverence of life". Unitarian Universalists believe that individuals should be supported by their community in their personal searches for truth about deity.

Principles and Purposes

Although lacking an official creed or dogma, Unitarian Universalist congregations typically respect the Principles and Purposes of the Unitarian Universalist Association. As with most actions in Unitarian Universalism, these were created in committee, and affirmed democratically by a vote of member congregations, proportional to their membership, taken at an annual General Assembly (a meeting of delegates from member congregations). The full Principles, Purposes and Sources can be found in the article on the Unitarian Universalist Association. The Principles are as follows:

To affirm and promote:

1. The inherent worth and dignity of every person
2. Justice, equity and compassion in human relations
3. Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations
4. A free and responsible search for truth and meaning
5. The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large
6. The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all
7. Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

In a survey [1] not sponsored by the UUA, Unitarian Universalists in the United States were asked which provided term or set of terms best describe their belief. Many respondents chose more than one term to describe their beliefs. The top choices were:

* Humanist - 54%
* Agnostic - 33%
* Earth-centered - 31%
* Atheist - 18%
* Buddhist - 16.5%
* Christian - 13.1%
* Pagan - 13.1%

There is great variety among Unitarian Universalist congregations, with some favoring particular religious beliefs or forms of worship over others, with many more home to an eclectic mix of beliefs. Regardless of their orientation, most congregations are fairly open to differing beliefs, though not always with various faith traditions represented to the same degree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism#Beliefs

I consider myself Unitarian Universalist Neopagan myself. I am not sure about the New Age label...that's more like a eclectic mix of beliefs.

Unitarian Universalists don't believe in right or wrong spiritual/religious beliefs

it's pretty much

to each, his/her own

posted November 23, 2006 12:01 AM              

I just realized I basically said what Dulce Luna already posted and then Alanabelle agreed with...about Jupiter relating to religion, and Neptune, spirituality.

posted November 23, 2006 05:22 AM            

Also the ruler of my partner's 9th house, the sun, is opposed retro nep in 12th - a personal opposition to spirituality and inward looking humanist approach or something?

posted November 23, 2006 10:46 AM              

~Rebekka

posted November 23, 2006 11:46 AM            

12th house is the house related institutions as well as selfless service. Institutions can be like organizations. I was in the US Navy,and I feel that the military service organizations are institutions. So are hospitals. Prisons are also institutions as well. Both are very highly organized institutions. Organized religions with their routine practices,rituals,and hiearchies would seem to fit the 12th house.
12th house has to do with being part of a unit in which you can lose your identity. Uniformity can be part of that. Like how the monks,nuns,and priests dress alike. The same with military and their uniforms. Prisoners all dress alike. In the military,being part of a team or unit is far more important than being an individual. In organized religion, some people do sorta lose their identity because the their faith can sometimes swallow them whole because they can get so into it or they give up everything to live a completely religious life which is what monks,nuns,and priests do. Cults are like that because cult followers can lose themselves in their cult leader. I see the 12th house as the house of Unity in which it involves a whole bunch of people being part of a greater whole. A belief in God can be that way. For instance, some people believe that all is in God and that God is all in all,and that is panentheism. Some people believe that God is in all and that God is in all,and that is pantheism. Believing in a power that is greater than you also fits the 12th house.

Another thing too is that religion often has a source based on the mystical insights of other people whether it was Muhammad's divine revelation led him to write the Koran,Siddartha Guatama's intense meditations

Religion often has its roots in the founder having a mystical revelation.

According to ASTROLOGY FOR YOURSELF A Workbook for Personal Transformation by Douglas Bloch and Demetra George:

12TH HOUSE

Mutable Water,Yin,Universall
Relates to Neptune
Correponds to the sign,Pisces

Transcendence: the end of the cycle where you must take care of unfinished business and resolve past karma,and come to terms with unresolved issues.
The accumulated results of all the previous house activities and experiences.
"Ghosts" from the past,restraints,restrictions,places of confinement,prison,hospitals,asylum,psychological blocks,aloneness,isolation,
OR
Freeing yourself from past restrictions,transcending karma through grace,attaining inner peace,rendering compassionate service to humanity.
Retreats from the world,monasteries,seclusion,secret affairs,secret societies and mystical associations,institutions in general.
Inner realities,universal visions,introspection,self examination,fantasies and dreams,sleep patterns,spiritual bliss,
OR
Psychological escapism,self-undoing,troubles,worries,sorrow,pain,
bereavement,loss,and suffering.
That aspect of yourself most hidden from conscious awareness and from others,the shadow.

9TH HOUSE

Mutable Fire,Yang,Universal
Related to Jupiter
Corresponds to the sign, Sagittarius

Expansion of Awareness: the search for meaning,the "higher" or superconscious mind, collective thinking,abstractions,philosophy,metaphysics,
religion, ecclesiastics,clergymen, religious rituals, philanthropic,philosophic and spiritual tendencies,your belief system,ethics and morals.
Travel to distant lands,interests in foreign countries and people,long journeys,voyages,exploration,distant discoveries,far-reaching communications,higher education,law,publishing,prophetic dreams,consciousness-expanding travels,"trips,",teachers,gurus,places far removed from the place of birth.

I have Saturn in 9th quincunx 12th house ruler Sun,and that's probably indicates my not separating religion from spirituality. I would say the same with my T-square Jupiter-Neptune conjunction in Sagittarius in 3rd opposing my Saturn in 9th and squaring my Pisces Moon in 6th.

Any way...those are my reasons why I feel religion fits the 12th house.

A lot of people in religions do consider themselves to be spiritual. I know that my Roman Catholic mother does,and I am nobody to doubt her spirituality. I am content with my own Neopagan Unitarian Universalist religious beliefs.

My mom is a bit on the closeminded side in regards to religion. She has no planets in her 9th,Sagittarius. My mother has a minor grand trine of Sun in Gemini in 12th,Pluto in Leo in 3rd,and Neptune in Libra in 5th. I think it all comes down to what you believe. Keyword for Pisces is I BELIEVE. Belief is a major part of religion,and so is faith.

posted November 23, 2006 09:34 PM            

I refer to the dictionary to describe religion/religiousness...

that definition is : a system (organized) of faith in and worship of a deity.

though there are sub-definitions like a "dedication to a holy life", and a "doctrine or custom of accepted faith"

of course, words are only words and the true definition is what you make it/believe it to be so ill back off

posted November 24, 2006 12:06 AM            

I agree with you 100 percent.

I don't think that it's religion that is bad. I feel that it's just some people in religions that are bad. I wouldn't want to judge a whole tree by a few bad apples.

posted November 24, 2006 06:13 AM            

MY opinion comes from MY upbringing. My mother was a strict Muslim, my father a hard, conservative southern Baptist...they hardly agree on any level of religion. They stay away from the topic. And so, they raised us to "just believe in something". But still my confusion, growing up...and feeling like I had to pick sides, with both of them raging mad at each other has had a deep impact that's made me avoidant of stuff like this.

i also have a scientists mind so the evolution theory sounds better to me than anything else, to be honest. but that could ALSO come from not having any answers growing up..or having them but not having them answered or even attempted to be answered because the topic was censored in my home...

anyway, people have their own opinions based on experience...we shouldn't be bashing something like this...especially if it's based on people's personal choices/preferences...

i think its fine to say if you dont like it, but we shouldn't be going off and unleashing hell upon the concept..in my opinion...of course, you can do what you want...

posted November 24, 2006 08:15 AM            

And Glaucus, you brought up a good point that 99% percent of the time, its usually some corrupt people high up in the religious chain of command. The sad part is that alot of people in the past have ended up turning away from the religion as a result.