posted November 22, 2006 01:38 PM            

I must say this is true..

posted November 22, 2006 01:47 PM              

half half?

I have issues explaining what I think - prolly why academically I wasn’t too hot at English

posted November 22, 2006 01:59 PM            

not necessarily bad

that could also indicate alternative learning/thinking style. It can be holistic thinking. A maverick in thinking and communications.

posted November 22, 2006 02:29 PM              

quote:

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but yeah..Chiron in 3rd house and hard aspects to Mercury can indicate possible learning disabilities that requires special education therapies.

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Luckily, I don’t have a learning disability - no matter how stupid I may seem. I studied Physics for 4 years in uni. But I have to admit, I did it because it was the only subject I could succeed in. as my memory’s weak, and math & physics are all about understanding - no memory required really...so yay

posted November 22, 2006 02:34 PM            

learning disability doesn't meant stupid.

learning disability means having a learning difference and problems processing information that causes problems with learning in a mainstream educational environment. It's different way of processing information. Therefore an alternative learning,thinking style. There can be success in alternative educational environment like Montessori School,Charter School,Waldorf,and technical schools. I barely graduated from high school, but I got a B average in 720 hr Massage Therapy certification course. I did much better on practical exams than written exams.

FYI...learning disabled often have poor short term memories and very good long term memories. Heck...my immediate visual memory is in the impaired range and my immediate verbal memory is in the borderline impaired range.

I am learning disabled myself with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia. I am very intelligent. I am not stupid.

unfortunately, a lot of ignorant people mistake learning disabilities for stupidity.

I think my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia helps me be a very good astrologer because I think mainly in pictures,think outside the box and see things from different angles as well as multidimensional thinking,vivid imagination,and strong 3D visualization ability as well as intuition.

we learning disabled people have our strengths ...it's not all about weaknesses.

Most of all, we are not stupid.
However,we often believe that we are or feel that we are. Especially..if we experience a lot of failure in school and people label us as being dumb,stupid because we have problems in certain things.

Even some people believe that President Bush is stupid because he has problems with speaking.

I have the same type of speaking issues as Bush ..like I can say the wrong things or say things out of order...I often hesitate before I speak. I am not quick to verbally defend myself.

My absentmindedness,disorganization,short term memory problems,my being confused easily by what people say,my problems with directions/instructions due to sequencing and auditory processing issues as well as my being badly coordinated,clumsy gets me seen and treated as being stupid.

posted November 22, 2006 02:49 PM            

How in the world is talking about special education therapies being condescending???

I had special educations therapies my own darned self!
Special education is not just for the mentally retarded! There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about special education and special education therapies. They are mainly early intervention therapies to remediate processing issues and to help them able to compensate. That getting them to use their strengths to make up for their weaknesses. They do try to strengthen the weaknesses as much as possible

I had special education therapies in the form of fine motors skills therapy, auditory therapy,speech therapy,phonics.

I was in 3 yrs of special education in my early elementary school years.

That's what it means to have early intervention.

yes...I have read about Einstein being Dyslexic. I talked late just like he did too as well as problems in speech in general.
Many Dyslexics have history of speech delays/problems

Most people that are in special education are in there for learning disabilities and not for being mentally retarded.

Special education describes an educational alternative that focuses on the teaching of students with academic, behavioral, health, or physical needs that cannot sufficiently be met using traditional educational programs or techniques.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_education

Purposes, Applicability, and Regulations That Apply to This Program

§300.26 Special education.

(a) General.

(1) As used in this part, the term special education means specially designed instruction, at no cost to the parents, to meet the unique needs of a child with a disability, including-

(i) Instruction conducted in the classroom, in the home, in hospitals and institutions, and in other settings; and

(ii) Instruction in physical education.

(2) The term includes each of the following, if it meets the requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of this section:

(i) Speech-language pathology services, or any other related service, if the service is considered special education rather than a related service under State standards;

(ii) Travel training; and

(iii) Vocational education.

(b) Individual terms defined. The terms in this definition are defined as follows:

(1) At no cost means that all specially-designed instruction is provided without charge, but does not preclude incidental fees that are normally charged to nondisabled students or their parents as a part of the regular education program.

(2) Physical education-

(i) Means the development of-

(A) Physical and motor fitness;

(B) Fundamental motor skills and patterns; and

(C) Skills in aquatics, dance, and individual and group games and sports (including intramural and lifetime sports); and

(ii) Includes special physical education, adapted physical education, movement education, and motor development.

(3) Specially-designed instruction means adapting, as appropriate to the needs of an eligible child under this part, the content, methodology, or delivery of instruction-

(i) To address the unique needs of the child that result from the child's disability; and

(ii) To ensure access of the child to the general curriculum, so that he or she can meet the educational standards within the jurisdiction of the public agency that apply to all children.

(4) Travel training means providing instruction, as appropriate, to children with significant cognitive disabilities, and any other children with disabilities who require this instruction, to enable them to-

(i) Develop an awareness of the environment in which they live; and

(ii) Learn the skills necessary to move effectively and safely from place to place within that environment (e.g., in school, in the home, at work, and in the community).

posted November 22, 2006 02:58 PM              

I didn’t know all that when you posted.
I just assumed you were throwing around words you didn’t comprehend - something you read out of a pessimistic astrology book. It happens a lot here

btw in my experience, learning disability means mentally handicapped
Dyslexia was something that hadn’t crossed my mind.

posted November 22, 2006 03:07 PM            

That made me angry. I was even being condescending. I was merely talking about problems with processing information that requires special education therapies that including fine motor skills therapy,auditory therapy,phonics,speech therapy,people's skills therapy...any type of therapy that can help them process information better so they can learn better in a mainstream environment as well as be able to function better...especially when it comes to communications.

There was nothing condescending nor offensive about what I said.

It fits right in with Chiron-Mercury-3rd house stuff.

That's why I said that.

I didn't need anybody getting snotty with me.

I am also angry about the misconceptions about special education too.

It makes me think that people think people that are in special education and or having special education therapies are there for lacking intelligence and not just for learning differences.

That's why I raise awareness about learning disabilities. So people can understand them.

How in the hell is learning disability a mental handicapped?

I have a learning disability. I am not mentally handicapped.

WTF?????

posted November 22, 2006 03:07 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted November 22, 2006 03:11 PM            

I find that friggen insulting!
for what for just talking about potential manifestations of Chiron-Mercury-3rd house connections.
I was talking about from things that I have experienced and others experienced. It had nothing to do with a friggen astrology book

You're assuming that about me makes me angry!

Don't friggen assume stuff about me without knowing me.

you got that?

I'd appreciate it.

as for you're saying learning disability means mentally handicapped. That really ****** me off. I am learning disabled,and I am not mentally handicapped. WTF???

In the United States and Canada, the term learning disability is used to refer to psychological and neurological conditions that affect a person's communicative capacities and potential to be taught effectively. The term includes such conditions as dysgraphia (writing disorder), dyslexia (reading disorder), dyscalculia (mathematics disorder) and developmental aphasia. In the United Kingdom, the term learning disability is used more generally to refer to developmental disability.

Someone with a learning disability does not necessarily have low or high intelligence, nor any innate inability to learn. It just means this individual has an impairment to their ability due to a processing disorder, such as auditory processing or visual processing, that is detrimental to normal teaching methods. Learning disabilities are usually identified by school psychologists through testing of intelligence, academics and processes of learning.

The term "learning disability" was apparently first used and defined by Kirk (1962, cited in Streissguth, Bookstein, Sampson, & Barr, 1993, p.144). The term referred to a discrepancy between a child’s apparent capacity to learn and his or her level of achievement. A review of the LD classifications for 49 of 50 states revealed that 28 of the states included IQ/Achievement discrepancy criteria in their LD guidelines (Ibid., citing Frankenberger & Harper, 1987). However, the National Joint Committee for Learning Disabilities (NJCLD) (1981; 1985) preferred a slightly different definition:

"Learning Disability" is a generic term that refers to a heterogeneous group of disorders manifested by significant difficulties in the acquisition and use of listening, speaking, reading, writing, reasoning or mathematical abilities. These disorders are intrinsic to the individual and presumed to be due to Central Nervous System Dysfunction. Even though a learning disability may occur concomitantly with other handicapping conditions (e.g. sensory impairment, mental retardation, social and emotional disturbance) or environmental influences (e.g. cultural differences, insufficient/inappropriate instruction, psychogenic factors) it is not the direct result of those conditions or influences.

The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (United States) defines a learning disability this way:

. . .[a] disorder in one or more of the basic psychological processes involved in understanding or in using spoken or written language, which may manifest itself in an imperfect ability to listen, think, speak, read, write, spell, or to do mathematical calculations. . . .Learning disabilities include such conditions as perceptual disabilities, brain injury, minimal brain dysfunction, dyslexia, and developmental aphasia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_disability#Official_definitions

posted November 22, 2006 03:17 PM            

Glaucus: Everytime someone mentions something about anything that has to do with A learning disability or anything of that a nature you get offended. No one is trying to offend you or get snotty with you about that. Everyone on this board knows by now how you feel about this subject/matter. It starts uncalled for drama..I started this thread and I would like to hear what the other knowflakes feel about their Sun and Mercury placements...

posted November 22, 2006 03:20 PM            

He even admitted that he assumed crap about me.

"I just assumed you were throwing around words you didn’t comprehend - something you read out of a pessimistic astrology book. It happens a lot here"

Why the hell are you giving me crap about it???????

I have the right to be angry. So get off my ass!

It angered me that he refers to learning disabled as mentally handicapped!

"btw in my experience, learning disability means mentally handicapped
Dyslexia was something that hadn’t crossed my mind."

All this started because I was talking about Chiron-Mercury-3rd. It was friggen innocent,harmless interpretation of potential manifestations. I didn't even imply anything about him either.

then he gets snotty with me.

posted November 22, 2006 03:22 PM              

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How in the hell is learning disability a mental handicapped?

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I know someone very well who’s mentally handicapped - but no one ever says that. They just say “he has a mental disability”

So when you said mental disability I was like wtf? I assumed you were one of those people who think “saturn square neptune? You will commit suicide. Mars opp pluto? You will kill a bunch of people. Chiron square Mercury? You are mentally handicapped”

In a very oh poor you, you have bad aspects kind of way. That’s what I meant by condescending.

You know ignorance means lack of knowledge - and yes, I do lack knowledge in that area, but you don’t have to act like that.

posted November 22, 2006 03:25 PM            

because you ****** me off by assuming crap about me!!

if anybody assumes crap about me without knowing me, I get friggen ****** off!!!

that's how I am.

all because I typed stuff about chiron-mercury-3rd house possible interpretations.

I didn't deserve that crap from you!

"I know someone very well who’s mentally handicapped - but no one ever says that. They just say “he has a mental disability”

So when you said mental disability I was like wtf?"

I never said any crap about mental disability. Don't even friggen twist my words. I never friggen mentioned anything about mental disability! I even said that it wasn't necessarily bad...that comment right there meant that I wasn't saying anything negative ....especially not a mental disability!!!

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not necessarily bad

that could also indicate alternative learning/thinking style. It can be holistic thinking. A maverick in thinking and communications.

but yeah..Chiron in 3rd house and hard aspects to Mercury can indicate possible learning disabilities that requires special education therapies.

I never said mental disability!!!!

It said learning disability!!!!!

BTW....I have Saturn oppose Neptune, and I don't believe in committing suicide.

I don;t like you friggen assuming that I am one of those rigid,fatalistic,dark age astrological interpreters. I am definitely not.

If you read how I do readings in here, there is nothing in my readings have anything to do with that crap. I have helped a lot people in here. I haven't used that crap with people.
So you assuming that crap about me really friggen insults me!!!

the fact that you assumed that about me ****** me off.

So I have justification to be very angry right now!!!

posted November 22, 2006 03:37 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted November 22, 2006 03:41 PM            

But My Pisces sun sign smooths things over and then my Merc in the 1st house starts and then they feel comfortable. The fact that my merc is in Aqua helps me too..

posted November 22, 2006 03:45 PM            

Don't tell me to come down.

Telling me that I am acting crazy makes me more angry.

Telling people to calm down and that they are acting crazy for expressing their angry,hurt feeling is highly patronizing and condescending and EXTREMELY judgmental.

It's bad enough that you assumed crap about me.

Now you have the friggen nerve to tell me that I act crazy

All I did was have a very angry reaction to you assuming stuff about me.

Being angry and expressing that is not being crazy

expressing indignation is not being crazy

expressing intensity is not being crazy

expressing passion is not being crazy

expressing hurt feeling is not being crazy

expressing frustation is not being crazy

being highly emotional is not being crazy

so who are the hell are you to tell me that I am acting crazy????

I am angry because you were assuming stuff about me......all for making an interpretation about Chiron-Mercury-3rd house

so how in the hell you have the gall to tell me to calm down and tell me that I act crazy???

posted November 22, 2006 03:54 PM              

rofl