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Topic: Saturn and Pluto conjunct north node.. interps..?
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Fluke
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posted November 28, 2006 07:53 AM
  
Hi, I was wondering if someone could provide me with some interpretations for these aspects in synastry.. The conjunction(s) are in Libra.
The other way around there is a conjunction between Pluto and Moon, also in Libra.
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posted December 12, 2006 11:03 PM
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posted December 14, 2006 04:27 AM
Well, Fluke, it's karmic alright! I have a book on synastry, but it's in Romanian, so... I hope I'm not missing any valuable info translating it.
*Saturn conj North Node: it's favourable to professional relationships. The Saturn person has to teach the NN person the sense of duty, responsability and patience and brings safety to the NN person in the field of the house he's in (or rules). The NN person helps the Saturn person accomplish his/her ambitions regarding the field the NN rules/is in.
*Pluto conj NN is collective and they don't give an interp to it... 
*Moon conj Pluto: it's all or nothing! This aspect means a fatal, hypnotic atraction between the 2 of you, since you have a karmic connection. It might bring spiritual trancedence or, in other cases, jealousy and possessivity. ~~~~ Hope this helps!! ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 06:33 AM
Thanks a bunch! ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 06:36 AM
Is it true? I got the impression that this book gives waaay too fatalistic interps. ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 06:49 AM
Well, all I can say is that I'm absolutely obsessed with this man, we also have a venus opposite pluto aspect, I'm the pluto, so I'm also closely following the debate in another thread about the venus pluto opposition, there seems to be some disagreement about wich person would be obsessed with the other, heh heh. *edited away some babbling about imagined aspect patterns*
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posted December 14, 2006 06:53 AM
Eeek, I wanted to post the synastry chart just for fun, but I forgot by the end of my post! anyway, here it is..  ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 07:14 AM
I think you're right about that Yod. Your Merc and Venus are in sextile?
You also have a double whammy with Moon and Neptune (your Moon sextiles his Nep, his Moon trines you Neptune). Here's what it says in the book: the two of you have a romantic, fascinating, psychic relationship! You might actually read each other's minds. It is also a karmic aspect and the double whammy just makes it more prominent.
You also have a Grand Trine between your Jup/Uranus and his Saturn and Sun/Mercury. This is a very positive aspect, bringing luck, stability, good comunication.
I'm a little worried about his Mars making a T-square out of your opposition between your Sun/Mars/Chiron and your Jupiter/Uranus. Do you feel you are competing at some level?
Your Neptune is also squaring his Sun... make sure you're not putting him on a pedestal!
And I also must notice your Saturn/Pluto opposing his Venus/Moon/Chiron... he might find it difficult to express his feelings and emotions towards you.
That's all for now, I'm in a bit of a hurry, but I'll get back to you if I find something else. I'm sure other people will tell you more, I'm not very good with astrology yet.
*editing: well, it seems I was wrong and you might attract people that square your opposition (I'm reffering about this paragraph ~~~I'm a little worried about his Mars making a T-square out of your opposition between your Sun/Mars/Chiron and your Jupiter/Uranus. Do you feel you are competing at some level?~~~). But the Mars square Sun and Mars is still not good and it might bring some sort of competition between you.
I had my Sun opposed by someone's Mars and there was some open fire!
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posted December 14, 2006 12:05 PM
Hi again Could you explain a bit more what you said about my opposition attracting people with planets square it? It sounds interesting, since I feel like there is sort of a pattern in my relationships and.. ehh.. let's call them "romantic encounters", heh heh, that might have something to do with that.. And about that sun/mars square mars, so far I have not noticed any of that, maybe because we are not in a relationship, but so far we have not clashed in any way, I'm really having trouble feeling this aspect, everything just feels good with him.. But maybe the occasion just haven't called for it to come out yet, heh heh By the way, aren't the energies a little bit different in oppositions and squares, maybe a square won't show itself in the same way as your opposition? Hopefully it won't be just as "violent".. ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 12:12 PM
BTW, here is also a composite, as I understand it mostly sucks, to use such a scientific expression, heh heh.
Since being told about my Yod earlier today I've been pattern-searching everything, heh heh  ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 12:33 PM
http://users.netonecom.net/~sos/Synastry.htm It seems we need challanges in our relationships, so we attract people who have planets that challenge our stressful aspects... in your case, his Mars squares your opposition, making it a T-cross. You can find valuable info in 23's post about the T-crosses that are transformed in grand crosses in synastry.
I also noticed that your Asc are conjunct, even if they fall in different signs and the orb is a bit wide. Some astrologers wouldn't consider that conjunction. I would, because I've been in that situation. I feel like I'm very similar with that person and you can see that most of your planets fall in the same houses in his chart as in yours. And the same thing with his. I consider this a very positive sign, because you would have a lot of things in common, you'll probably like the same things and do things in the same manner, listen to the same kind of music etc.
As for those squares his Mars makes... yes, an opposition has a different energy (and in synastry sometimes it is a good one, it has to do with the mirror effect). The bad news is that squares are usually worse than oppositions in synastry. But not always! However, they're both stressful aspects and both his Mars and your Sun&Mars have a masculine energy (if it would have been your Venus, it would have been a strong indicator of physical attraction), so you guys might collide on occasions. I saw this squares have to do with the 9th and 11th house issues... maybe you don't see eye to eye on philosophical ideas, or volunteer work, or travel etc...?
I hope I explained it ok. ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 12:57 PM
I'm not good with composites  . Hmmm... I see a T-cross with Mars/Mercury, Pluto, Asc/Moon focused on the 4th/10th house axis... I have a similar one in my natal chart (except for the Moon - still in my 12th, but not part of the T-cross). You probably have issues regarding family and social matters, plus your self expression as a couple. Or... hmmm... sorry, you would have these issues if you'd be together. I honestly see potential here... what's holding you back?
I don't really like that Saturn in the 4th house... but have you tried using equal house system? I found it more accurate for myself and my friends&family. I think you'll find it in the 3rd house - comunication issues. That Moon conjuncting Asc is good and it's in Cancer, even better! Lots of emotions flowing!
That square between Venus and Jupiter isn't that bad, it just brings excesses (and there's that 9/11 house thing).
Uhm... I don't see anything else for now. But I'm sure somebody else will  ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 02:27 PM
Umm....*mumbles very quickly* whatsholdingmebackisthatheismybossatworkandheisinaseriousrelationship,childreninvolved.......But from the moment I met him nearly a year ago now I've felt this connection with him, and he feels it as well, he haven't right out said so, but I KNOW.. I see it, and feel it... But he is a decent guy, so he's keeping a leash on it, and I'm trying not to shake things up either, but this is hell, he he.. He's constantly on my mind, and I really just want to BE in his company, near him, share time, space and mind..
And he's been known to make up some excuse about a work issue he needs to talk to me about, wich takes about two seconds to square away, and then just stay on the phone, to talk and talk and talk.. And oh, what conversations we have... it's really, really personal (no, not THAT kind of personal, heh heh) and in those moments everything in the world is just RIGHT, and the moment the conversation ends or one has to leave, then everything in the world is just WRONG, I feel torn in two, rug yanked out from under my feet, and uprooted, heh heh. It's awful.... But most of the people in this forum have heard me whine about this for ages now, and the kind people trying to give me advice are right when they say I should just forget all about him, It's just so hard, heh heh.. But I am trying... some... a little bit.. btw, saturn fell in 2. house with equal system
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posted December 14, 2006 02:57 PM
Is he married?
Not that I'm trying to encourage you to pursue this relationship that will bring heartache and pain, but I have a different perspective on life. I think that the only permanent thing in this life is death. Anything else can change. And death isn't permanent if you consider all the other lives.
OK, just to make it very clear, I'm not telling you what to do. You should make a decision based on your soul's desire (you'll know it in your heart, if you're honest with yourself).
But I would like to share something with you. I read it in somebody's blog some time ago. It said that the people that cross your path can stay in your life for a month, a year or a lifetime, as long as it takes for them to teach what they are here to teach you or learn from you, because nothing on earth is random. And I truly believe you met this guy for a reason. You might not get married with him or share a life together, but that doesn't mean it's meaningless. Trust me, when you'll have nothing more to share to one another, the relationship will die effortless. The attraction you feel for him isn't in vain.
Indeed, breaking up a marriage brings bad karma. But if the marriage isn't working, somebody has to be the trigger. That's how I see life... action, reaction and interaction .
I'm sorry, but I've missed your threads about your relationship. It sounds like a nice relationship though. I'd like to see where your asteroids fall in, esp Juno, Eros, Psyche, Sappho, Valentine and Amor. I think they're pretty important in synastry. Plus the Vertex (did I miss it??). Maybe you can give me your birth data and I'll take a look - it's so frustrating not seeing the degrees of the planets ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 03:26 PM
No, they are not married, I don't know what the term would be in english, but they live together, we have a term for it here, and it is formal in the way that they
are registered as living together, but not married.
They've been together for some 7 years and have a son together, he's 4.. She has a daughter from a previous relationship as well, she is 16.. maybe you can alreday see some age issues here, heh heh.. And there really is, He will turn 30 next march, 6 years older than me, but his woman will turn 40 (!!!!) next year...But the fact that they haven't married yet tells me something.. Anyway... I don't know his birth time unfortunately, don't even know if its morning, day, evening, night, anything.... But the rest is 22 March 1977 in Moss, Norway I'm born 23 May 1983 08.00 AM (yes, exactly on the hour ) in Drammen, Norway. What I also think is cool is that we are both born on cusps, he on a Water/Fire cusp, and me on a Earth/Air cusp, so either way our suns are compatible, and I think the presence off all the elements between us is good.. ------------------
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posted December 14, 2006 04:40 PM
Ahhh... so sweet! I'll check it out and I'll get back to you.
So your Asc are not in conjunction... Oh well...
But can you find out his exact birth time? Maybe subtle asking him?
Hmmm... I think it is a sign that they're not married, too. I think the term for what they are is concubine. We have it too. And I do find shocking that she is 40! I'm a '83-er, too. And I like older men (probably because of the Cappy rising ~ btw, your Asc conjuncts my Dc... hehe).
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posted December 15, 2006 09:18 AM
I have been dying for the opportunity to ask him about his birth time, but I somehow have to work it subtly in to another conversation, and hopefully I'll get the chance sometime, heh heh..I've always liked older men for some reason, It's kind of annyoing, really.... it just feels like boys our age are lacking something in their character.. Men don't really become interesting to me before they're around 30!! I'm just hoping it will stay that way, so that men that age still will be interesting when I'M 30, heh heh.
And in a way it feels like I'm wasting my 20's thinking about older men, I'll probably regret that when I'm older and just dyyying to get with a boy in his 20's ------------------
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posted December 24, 2006 06:16 AM
Hi, Fluke!Sorry for the delay.
I checked your asteroids and here it is:
-his Psyche con your IC (from the 3rd house). It says in my book (Pierre Lassalle - Astrologie et relations humaines) that the Psyche person (him) has to transform himself through his love for the other person and overcome his selfishness in order to give his best with your 4th house issues (do you talk to him about your family, background etc?)
-your Psyche conjuncts his Uranus (same thing, but with Uranus instead of IC). This seems to indicate a strong psychic relationship.
-his Juno conjuncts your Vertex and they fall in your 5th house and his Sappho conj your antivertex in your 11th. Well, the relationship is meaningful and this explains the attraction and friendship you both feel for each other.
-your Amor conjuncts his Pholus - I'm sorry to say I don't have a clear idea about Pholus yet, but you will love the Pholus in him .
-YOUR JUNO (and Sappho) CONJ HIS SUN - well... this is your ideal partner!
-your Eros conj his Venus very strong phisical attraction
-his Juno opposes your Sun, Mars and Chiron - it says in this book that the Juno oppsitions are bad for marriage.
-his Sappho conj your Sun (double whammy) and Chiron
-his Amor conj your Mars, opposite your Jup and Uranus
-his Valentine opp your Moon and your Valentine sextiles your Moon (double whammy) - really good, Valentine means true love.
Unfortunately, I can't stay any longer online. I wish you a happy Christmas and hope everything works out for the best! ------------------
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posted December 24, 2006 06:44 AM
Thank you so much, and merry christmas!! ------------------
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