posted December 06, 2006 07:27 AM              

But, I do concede that a lot of other Pisces men I know are shall we say....unreliable...

I don't understand it, aren't we supposed to be evolved? Maybe it's a distortion of the "universal love" theme if you follow my thinking.

As for breaking it off with a Pisces, well there are 2 ways. Go completely and utterly cold and be around him but never with him if you know what I mean. Let his Piscean sensitivity do the rest, though there may be flashes of anger and resentment this way.

Or, and this is more complicated, subtly begin to tie him down, but with the weight of responsibility attached in some form. This can backfire though if he is the kind of Pisces man who actually adores being smothered.

It's your call, but I hope it works out either way Natasha.
You seem emotionally jaded lately and thats a shame because I know how compassionate and caring you can be.

Don't let bad fish get you down.

posted December 06, 2006 07:40 AM              

Pisces are very hard to pin down and are prone to cheating due to their very "easily influenced" nature. But I don't think they really mean to hurt anyone. If you show them that they have truly hurt you, they usually cave.

Just tell him that he has really hurt you and that it would be better for you not to see him or that he will hurt you even more if you see him. (I say cut the cord. You won't ever get rid of a Pisces if you don't.)

Good luck.

MM

posted December 06, 2006 10:07 AM            

Some of those guys can be so scummy..and big azz liars is right..

posted December 06, 2006 11:35 AM              

I had talked to you before about this sort of problem in the past, but I hope you don't mind me revisited what I've have told you before.

Your combined earth and water energy makes you highly reciprocal in nature, and what you give out in pretty much what you get in return,for better or worse. Earth retains and water absorbs - the question is what you choose to retain and absorbs.

Add to that your sun is fixed and your moon is cardinal. Fixed indicates a habitual nature, whereas cardinal indicates a determined nature. As I recall you also have a lot of Scorpio in your chart too, which adds more fixed. You can easily be the victim of your own bad habits if you allow youself to be - due to your habitual/deetermination, if that is the path you want to stay, no one and nothing will keep you from it. If you want to change, change must come from within.

Fortunately, that is where you are blessed, even if you're not yet convinced. Earth and water signs are blessed with their own inner strength when understood properly (and that is also to say, I strongly disagree with Swerve's idea that netune men are weak). Earth provides endurance and persistance, while water provides flexibilty and adaptability.

There something else I don't think I've even discuss directly with you, although I have talk about it here on the forum in the past. Earth and water greatly differ in how they influnce the native's way of thinking. Earth is realistic, pragmatic, and concrete. Water is imaginative, emotional, and intuitive. There's a lack of common ground here in terms of basic outlook - the earth energies tell you that reality is the "be all, end all," while your water energies incline you to think well beyond the confines of reality. You're reaching for that dream, yet when reality fails to deliver, you think it's all a complete failure. Obviously, this is a recipe for disappointment, if not tempered with a bit of perspective, wisdom and humor.

Scorpio in particular is inclined to a sort of watery "magical" thinking which can cause a native endless heartbreak if not confronted. to Scorpio's mindset, things happen or they don't, and when they do, it's more out of magical, mysterious reasons rather than cut-and-dry cause and effect. I doubt there's a Scorpionic person anywhere who doesn't, in some way, wish they could live a charmed life where magical things happen to them all the time. It's certainly not a bad thing to wish for, but thinking that is how *it ought to be* is another story. And because of Scorpio's fixed nature, if can be very hard for the native to understand that while dreams and ideals are good, trying to base own's happiness on them isn't necessarily wise. Happiness needs some root in reality, and more importantly, happiness needs to a *choice* that the native makes and not simply an accident.

I don't think having a Tau Sun/Sco Neptune opposition is a "doomed" aspect. It's difficult, but not doomed. It will cause you to vascillate between Scorpio's "magical" thinking and Taurus' stubborn realism until you understand both extreme well enough to balance them out. That not doubt means there's been many times that you've fallen off that pink cloud only to hit some pretty hard, cold ground.

So I don't think the pain and anger you're feeling right now is just your Cancer moon overreacting. Your feelings are legitimate and warranted. You should feel the way you feel, even if it hurts. But that doesn't make it easy, since you're someone capable of expereincing any and all emotions, whether good or bad, very deeply and intensely. Just try to think of this as what you're *entitled* to - that guy wronged you, and you have the right to be hurt and angry. You are entitled to expell his awful, negative presence from your life. Use all those powerful emotions as self-empowerment and motivation to do what right for you.

To reiteriate some of the things I said above:

Earth retains and water absorbs. This guy's done something horrible to you, and hit you very deeply and has made you feel extremely vulnerable. And sure, you could easily keep him around and keep on absorbing hurt from him as long as you want. But like I said, earth's strength is endurance and persistence, and water's flexibility and adaptability. You can change this situation whenever you want to. You may not be able to break off as glibly and cleanly from this as a fire or air person, but you can definitely walk away from it just as soon you decide that that's what you want. Just remember that all that pain and anger is your power, your motivation to keeping on walking.

And should this guy or that other "friend" try to weasel their way back into your life, just be a Taurus about it. Dig in your heels, lay down the law and don't budge. Don't waste your energy getting into long discussions or explanations - they are not worth the effort. Just tell them, "I *know* what happened. I *know* you have lied to me. I *do not want* liars in my life." Repeat as often as necessary (especially with Pisceans, since they don't always grasp reality the first few times around).

posted December 06, 2006 12:11 PM              

I really enjoyed reading that post except for this bit:

"(and that is also to say, I strongly disagree with Swerve's idea that netune men are weak)"

I wasn't saying Neptune men are weak, that was tongue in cheek because I am one.

I do know lots of naughty ones however.

posted December 06, 2006 12:14 PM              

Good to see you back, Natasha.

posted December 06, 2006 06:49 PM            

RUN SCREAMING FOR THE NEAREST NUNNERY!

I thought I was a pretty muddled up pisces woman but after dealing with one man so similar to myself in many ways I see I'm not so nutty after all.

I don't care that we share something truly special physically thats unsurpassed by others, I'm staying right away.

posted December 06, 2006 07:44 PM            

My pisces-boy and I used to pretty much ignore one another in public, but then he'd sulk cos I was ignoring him. I don't think you can win.

posted December 06, 2006 07:56 PM            

I will date men with moon or Venus in Pisces, but I would have to take a cold-eye look at his chart before I date a Pisces man.

The thing about Pisces (men and women) is that they cultivate this reputation of having all-encompassing love and being all about sacrifice, but the truth is that this ONLY applies to evolved Pisces, not to the regular Pisceans most of us come in contact with.

posted December 07, 2006 06:13 AM              

I guess what makes me mad are
shallow people who are cold, narcisstic, materialistic, and gullible/weak. They believe lies and promises of goodies dangled in front of them and sell themselves out. People who backstab their friends for a new friend's number.

Anyway, I see the dark side of this person.

posted December 07, 2006 06:15 AM              

I don't like playing games, as I want to get straight to the point (venus in aries) in relationships. However, I understand that some people appreciate the drama it brings.

posted December 07, 2006 07:00 AM              

I don’t think I’d call any of the Pisceans I’ve known shallow. Though, (in the bad case scenarios) their self-hatred coupled with an irrational fear of being left alone with no one to feel anything for them or with them, may make them appear shallow. This is why you’ll see the unevolved Piscean putting on a pretty act, and then disappearing before you know what happened. He wasn’t helping you for you. He was helping you for him.

Imagine one of these Pisces guys stranded on a deserted island. He’d look like a drug addict on his first week of rehab. They get addicted to love the same way they get addicted to dope and alcohol.. nothing’s ever enough to fill the emptiness inside.
It reminds me of that song.. you’re nobody till somebody loves you

The evolved Pisceans have self-love so they can help people for the benefit of the people, not for ulterior motives, such as milking them for affection.
I don’t think there’s a majority of bad egg Pisces though lol I’ve met a lot more good ones than bad ones and I’ve known a lot.

posted December 07, 2006 08:20 PM            

I am now friends with my pisces-boy so no more pisces men bashing from me! Promise!