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Knowflake

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posted December 10, 2006 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, this is my first attempt at loading a pic on to this board...let's see if it works. If it does, I would be super pleased if anyone could share their views on this synastry chart since it is my third relationship of the past year and a half and I feel (know) it is karmic. This is, in part, due to the fact that all three men have the same birthdate, although the years are different

Thanks!

*edit* I think if you click on the pic it enlarges...


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Knowflake

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posted December 10, 2006 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason you find this relationship karmic is that you NN is conj his sun, being all in the 5th house would help too. Good thing to have. His moon also squares your sun-moon midpoint.

Not sure on distances but also your vertex is roughly conj his merc - might make some difference as well as his NN in the 7th and jupiter nearly conj your DC (although the effects of all these would be minor).
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry.html

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Knowflake

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posted December 10, 2006 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks 23! Do you think you could possibly guess based on placements as to the nature of the karma? I have done this before, but usually with other people I find it easier since I have a less biased perspective :0

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posted December 10, 2006 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Um no, sorry I don't really know what you mean. I can only tell you that there certainly is a lot of romantic stuff going on as the NN conj occurs in the 5th house but it could overall convert quite nicely to a 7th house longterm relationship because of his NN being in the 7th. However, I note that your 5th is ruled by Lib and 7th by Cap. Have you had problems converting 5th house relationships to 7th house relationships before?

Also the moon squ your sun-moon midpoint obviously is a very deep, visceral and psychic connection as it occurs between his moon which is widely conj in 4th (which is nice to have) and the midpoint in 12th.

Hope that helps and that its what you want.

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pseudofemme
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posted December 10, 2006 07:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll just pick out a few of the aspects that stand out to me and give you my general impressions.

First, the good.

For karmic aspects, I always look at the Nodes first. You have one of the best nodal aspects possible: your North Node conjunct his sun. In short, you are good for each other--and since you're the North Node person, he is going to help you grow and develop your talents in this lifetime. This is a very karmic aspect and an excellent one for any relationship, since being together will ultimately benefit both of you. The only downside is that you (as the North Node person) may feel uneasy and reluctant to grow, but ultimately this guy is good for you and will keep you on the life path you're here for.

Likewise, your Jupiter is trine his North Node, with a very tight orb, so you'll be helping him grow as well, especially with spiritual pursuits. There are actually no difficult nodal aspects in this relationship (squares can be especially troublesome) so you are not likely to get in each other's way of spiritual growth. So the nodal synastry here looks fabulous.

Sun trine sun, moon trine moon, and Ascendant trine Ascendant (even with wide orbs) are also very beneficial for a relationship, since you're in natural harmony with each other and can probably understand each other with very little effort. Having all three of those in trine is actually pretty rare, and can only mean good things for your relationship. Same goes for your Sun's mutually trining each other's Ascendants (a double whammy!). You probably feel like you've known this guy before--and from the first time you met, you instantly "clicked" and felt like you both were on the same wavelength with everything. I'd bet you've encountered some pretty surprising similarities with each other, and as the relationship progresses, you'll probably be able to communicate with him almost psychically because you two are so in tune with each other.

Sun trine venus, too, is one of the best aspects for a relationship... you'll just love being in each other's company, no matter what the two of you are doing. This is also a nice aspect because it creates a bond that can smooth out more difficult aspects. Even if you have a fight, there will still be an underlying sense of love between you that glues the two of you together.

There are also some nice indicators of stability in this relationship. Saturn trine Mercury and sextile Venus will give the two of you real endurance, and the determination to ride out any rough patches, should you encounter them later on. Aspects to Uranus look good too, so I doubt this relationship would end abruptly or that either of your feelings would suddenly change towards each other. Moon trine Jupiter is another excellent indication of compatibility, as is his Ascendant trine your Venus, and your Mars' sextile. There are really a number of wonderful things going on here.

There are a couple of more difficult things too, though, probably with karmic connections. Pluto conjunct Venus seems to be a common indicator of one (or both) people developing an obsession with each other, or at the very least, intense possessiveness. In terms of karma, this offers an opportunity in this lifetime to take one of two paths: become overwhelmed with manipulation/possessiveness, which may ultimately destroy a relationship depending on how far it's taken, or let the energy of this aspect work to transform the both of you and ultimately change both of your lives for the better. The effect of this aspect is amplified because your Venus also squares his Pluto, giving an even more difficult combination of energies... there will indeed be a tendency to be possessive of one another, perhaps due to situations you've both experienced in the past (probably involving other romantic relationships, seeing as your Pluto is in his 7th house). Avoiding mind-games is incredibly important, especially because the two of you will probably have great understanding of each other (all the Moon/Sun/Ascendant trines) and therefor know how to push each other's buttons, even on very subtle levels.

Likewise, Jupiter square Pluto may create an unconscious need to compete with each other and lead to some unhealthy psychological patterns.

Sun square Pluto indicates similar power struggles.

With your North Node falling in his 8th house and his North Node falling in your 7th, there is no doubt this is meant to be a romantic relationship (7th house) but also requires that you both avoid manipulation, secrecy, possessiveness, and any form of ulterior motives when it comes to interacting with each other.

My guess would be that the karmic lesson for both of you is to overcome any unhealthy power/psychological struggles so that you can both advance in your life's purpose and learn the lessons that you both are here to teach each other.

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Knowflake

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posted December 11, 2006 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
23 ~ Thanks for your reply! Your observation about having problems converting 5th house relationships into 7th house ones is very accurate. I never thought about it that way, but it's very true.

pseudofemme ~ Thanks so much for your long and detailed response! Everything you have said rings true for me thus far. I can see how I might have a reluctance in certain areas in terms of personal growth, but I feel very comfortable around him and not judged at all so far which is great.

We do get along very, very well and we both seem to agree that communication is of the utmost importance.

As for the Venus/Pluto conjunction, I had it with my first November 1st karmic relationship and it was very potent indeed. I think that the orb on this one is a little wider and I grew alot from my previous experience with it so at least this time I am more prepared.

As for Sun square Pluto, the good news and the bad news is that I have that in my natal chart. It's bad, I guess, since I am prone to that energy naturally but good since I am conscious of it.

Thanks so much for your interpretation. It is very much appreciated

Love

**Interestingly, I forgot to load the asteroid Karma into the chart but mine happens to fall right on top of my Pluto and in his 7th house. His Karma asteroid falls into my 5th house and conjuncts my Vertex!**

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william
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posted December 11, 2006 06:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey love,
i ran a composite up for your 2.
there is a saturn/moon conjunction in cancer in the third,a very good aspect for longterm
relationships on the faceof it.the complicating factors are the saturn is square to pluto and the moon is sqauer to chiron.the saturn aspect indicates a very hestitant beau,there is fear of being tied down and it does not show very much openness.
the moon aspect indicates a very picky,maaybe bitchy,attitude will develope on your part.this moon position indicates that you are more concerned what the relationship will bring you than you are concerned about the relationship itself.
there is a venus/mars midpoint conjunct the mercury/sun conjinction.this is a very loving and happy pattern.enjoying just hanging together as well as the sexual/emotional side.
mercury is square to neptune.this can be a aspect of heavy partying and it can show that the will be deception in the relationship,the concept of lying through omission.jupiter is opposed to the sun/mercury conjunction ,so again there is a strong longterm vibrations.this pattern actually shows money would not be a problem.
But the moon/uranus midpooint is also opposed to jupiter with bodes a divorce,if there was a marriage.the saturn square pluto definetly brings Karma into this relationship.
william

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Knowflake

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posted December 12, 2006 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
William ~ Thanks for the reply and the interpretation! I am game to hear it all.

The hesitation on his part to be tied down is interesting to me since he has had a number of long term relationships...3 years,6 years and another 6 years...but I guess time will tell what happens here. I have found so far during this triad of karmic relationships that they are very short in duration. I guess we'll soon see!

I also was wondering...does a composite come into play so early on or isn't that more valuable if the relationship progresses into a longer term affair? (That's how I have always understood the composite chart...but I might be incorrect)

If so, then are you giving me your interpretations based on the relationship if it should indeed become more serious? Either way, it's good to be aware

Love

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posted December 12, 2006 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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william
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posted December 12, 2006 06:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the composite becomes relevant any time you interact with another person.the more intimate the relationship the more significant the composite becomes.
i like to describe the composite with this analogy.
a rock thrown into a pond creates a wave.two stones thrown creat two waves and where these waves meet ,a third wave is created.this is like the vibrations of the planets in two charts,where they interact a third vibration forms.so a composite is formed whenever two people interact.the revelance depends on the nature of the interaction
william

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InLoveWithLife
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posted December 12, 2006 07:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow william, tht analogy applies on so many levels....

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