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izodesmozina
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posted December 15, 2006 08:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have 2 questions:
1. If 2 people who both have an unaspected&singleton Venus (and in conjunction in synastry) would meet, how would that influence their relationship?
2. Is it possible for a person with such a strong Venus to have too many talents and not be able to choose between them, so he/she wouldn't manifest strong artistic abilities?

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izodesmozina
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posted December 16, 2006 05:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need help, you guys!

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Dulce Luna
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posted December 16, 2006 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have both of these (unaspected singleton venus) and am still trying figure out how exactly it works in real life. I'm getting an idea because of the sign placement (gemini).

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posted December 16, 2006 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have only an unaspected venus and like you, I'm still trying to figure out what it does in my life. Mine falls in 9th/sag and I am very focused in life on these issues.

How the two would meet others of interest would just be determined by the sign/house it falls in. How they would meet each other, I don't know!

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izodesmozina
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posted December 16, 2006 06:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm... my unaspected&singleton Venus falls in Taurus in my 3rd house (4th with equal house system). I really am clueless about it. Although... I might find a positive outlet for it through writing. Of all the talents, writing is what I do best (though I need work! A lot!!!). I've written some poetry and some novels, but I thought they were lame, so I gave up...
As for meeting another person with the same "problem"... well, I do feel we are attracting people just like us. For instance, I have 3 singletons and Venus unaspected and I've searched through the charts of most of my friends - 2 had unaspected planets (1 Jup and 1 Venus) and almost everybody has a singleton!!! Not to mention that both my parents have pluto as singleton (like me). How awesome is that?

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posted December 16, 2006 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Eleanor Buckwalter:
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A question arose recently concerning the meaning of unaspected planets. From the point of view of psychological astrology, an unaspected planet is very rare! Perhaps it is so rare as to be non-existent. What are the orbs being used? For psychological work we allow very wide ones. We usually allow a ten to twelve degree orb for the Sun, Moon, and ascendant ruler when looking at aspects to other planets. Narrow aspects are used only in predictive astrology for timing, not in natal chart interpretation from a psychological perspective. Dialogue with the client is of the utmost importance! How does the planet work in his or her life?
Here are some quotes from astrological texts by (1) Margaret E. Hone, (2) Jeff Mayo and (3) Myrna Lofthus, respectively:

(1) "Occasionally a planet is found to receive no aspects whatsoever. (The student should be wary of failing to notice the semi-square and the sesquiquadrate.) This does not seem to have been the object of much research. The idea is expressed here that such a planet will not be weak or ineffective (unless otherwise so adjudged), but, failing the interchanges with other planets, its principles, and especially its drive or urge when considered as an instinct or a force in the unconscious self, will not be properly integrated into the wholeness of the person. If a forceful planet, it will lack ways of using its drive. If a more receptive planet, it will at times be as if left out of the scheme altogether. For instance, a person with an unaspected Mercury will have moments of acting from sheer emotion, without the inclusion of any reasoning whatsoever."

(2) "This does not mean the planet is a weak actor in the chart. Usually it is indicative, according to the planet, sign and house involved, of characteristics or a feature in the life of the person which it is difficult, or perhaps not attempted, to integrate with the rest of the nature or life-pattern."

(3) "An unaspected planet is said to indicate an area (the planet, the sign, and the house) that you are trying to express but find it difficult to do, because the planet doesn't have the necessary "energy" to make it operate."

I would like to add, with respect to a very well known chart that has an "unaspected" Sun (at 28 degrees of Cancer and no other planets are over 20 degrees of any sign), that the late degrees (27 to 29 degrees) of any sign show up with inevitable frequency in the charts of people with whom the native has important relationships: mother, brother, girl friends, wife, bosses. Other people seem to be drawn into his life to "activate" the "unaspected" Sun. And transits seem to affect him more powerfully than they do the average person. For instance, when Uranus and then Neptune went over 28 degrees of Capricorn, opposing the Sun, he experienced acute manifestations of a series of "identity crises" both with respect to his domestic life and his career. This continued until Saturn in late Aries finished making a square to the Sun.

Any time a planet stands out, whether as "unaspected" or as a singleton (the only planet in a hemisphere, element, modality or orientation) or in any other way, it is important to question the client and elicit information and history from him or her concerning the matters in the life that are signified by that planet. Then, and only then, can you begin to understand how it "works" for that particular individual. Expect a great variety of responses from different individuals. There are no easy, simple "cook-book" formulas for interpreting "unaspected" planets - or anything else in the chart, for that matter.


There's a blurb about unaspected Venus in this article: http://www.innerself.com/Astrology/unaspected.htm

And a little table with interps here: http://www.donmc.com/Unaspected.htm

A friend of mine knows a person with an unaspected SUN!! How difficult it must be to hook into the energies of the other planets..... and be more susceptible to transits.....

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posted December 16, 2006 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus conj venus - ooooh very romantic! that is a good aspect

As for singletons, I imagine they would be relatively common wouldn't they be? More so than an unaspected planet I suspect

Great article Azalaksh. Thats how my venus feels. The nearest thing to it is moon sextiling it, but I feel its not close enough for aspect. Otherwise, only chiron aspects it at 3 degree difference

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teaologist
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posted December 16, 2006 07:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found this one too:
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VENUS UNASPECTED: You are cheerful, prepossessing, and primarily attuned to that which is pure, lovely, and of good report. You possess a childlike artlessness and naturalness, not because you are naive about what life is "really like," but because you have an uncompromising determination to enjoy yourself and to keep your spirits high, come what may. You know in your heart that life's rewards and pleasures are right there for the taking; you don't put a morass of complications (like feelings of guilt, shame, or lack of worth) in the path of your desires, but rather reach out unabashedly to take whatever you want from life without any need for coyness or pretense. You are open to receive from others (rather than impelled by a need to grab from them, as aspected Venus is) because you are moved by a genuine playfulness. You don't bog yourself down in tricky power manipulations since your only interest in other people is to feel good. If something isn't fun, or can't be made to be fun, then you don't much bother with it.

http://www.considerations-mag.com/articles/solitaryWanderer.htm

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posted December 16, 2006 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can completely relate to the first link posted by Azalaksh and Teaologist's quote too. So interesting both of them, and as I said I have an endless craving with 9th house/Sag matters - I never felt that I have travelled enough.

Btw I must mention that my partner who has merc in tau unaspected had an interest in pens and pencils as a child and is training to be a surgeon. Now how about that!

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Azalaksh
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posted December 16, 2006 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
23 ~
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As for singletons, I imagine they would be relatively common wouldn't they be? More so than an unaspected planet I suspect
Out of curiosity I ran thru 20% of my saved charts -- NOT ONE unaspected planet in the lot, although a good number of singletons.....

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teaologist
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posted December 17, 2006 01:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Zala or all other folks,
I did not know about the large orb leeway for unaspected planets. I have Merc in Taurus in the 10th. The only Ptolemaic aspect to Merc is a conjunction with Mars by 9 degs. Neither Merc nor Mars are ASC rulers. Should my Merc be considered unaspected? I thought it was, then thought it wasn't. Very, very confused.

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izodesmozina
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posted December 17, 2006 02:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, I have a bigger problem! What about an unaspected composite Venus?

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posted December 17, 2006 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Izo-
From http://www.innerself.com/Astrology/unaspected.htm

I think this is what you feel of each other in the relationship:

Or, to give an example of Venus: A couple of years ago a couple consulted me and asked for an astrological analysis of their relationship. They had been married almost thirty years, but the woman was in a kind of crisis. She didn't know if she loved her husband, or if she had ever loved him, and claimed she didn't really know what love actually was. Her husband didn't take this personally. His commentary was simple and honest, "We've gotten along very well together all these years, and I just know she loves me, and I love her. So something else must be going on, and that's why we're here." His wife, however, had gotten hold of the nagging thought that she didn't know what love was, and therefore also didn't know if she loved her husband.

Her Venus created no aspects whatsoever! After I had explained what an unaspected planet meant in general, and how an unaspected Venus works in particular, something finally clicked in her. She understood that the unfulfilled and searching feeling was inside herself and had nothing to do with her marriage. "If I look back at it that way," she said, "then we have in fact gotten along very well together all these years, and I wouldn't want to be without my husband." There was a moment of silence, and then she said, "Maybe that's what love is. Maybe I shouldn't be getting myself so worked up about it anymore, and accept that I can't catch or grasp it all." This is a nice example of how, with an unaspected planet, we can run the risk of misjudging a situation because with all that "searching" we begin to mull and fret. Just as often, though, all that searching has yet another result, namely the idea that we "aren't there yet," or can't do certain things. In the case of the unaspected Venus, this can express itself in a feeling that others don't think we're nice, or that we weren't cut out for love, or that we feel inferior because of our looks and/or emotions. In every instance this feeling does not corroborate the real situation or talents and capabilities. Once again though, the fact is that we don't see it at first.

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posted December 17, 2006 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice Article 23, it truely rings a bell for me.

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posted December 17, 2006 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank Azalaksh, its her article

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izodesmozina
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posted December 18, 2006 12:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am familiar with all the 3 articles. All of them fit me very well.
Thanks for your sharing, everyone! It's good to actually realize I'm not alone with this .

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izodesmozina
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posted December 18, 2006 12:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
23, your Gem bf is gonna be a surgeon? How awesome!!! I was going that way myself, but I realized psychiatry is more like me. By the way, don't you find it weird that you BOTH have an unaspected planet? They are somewhat rare... (Yes, ladies, we're really special LOL).
Teaologist, interesting thing about your Mars and Mercury... I read in a book that the accepted orb for Mercury (and Venus) is 7 deg and for Mars is 9... It's a tricky one... But if you think it suits your description, if you feel your Merc is unaspected, it probably is.
Dulce, where is your Venus?

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Amelia
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posted December 18, 2006 12:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,

well...I'm not sure if I am of much in answering the two question you have, but...

I'm not a Venus singelton but I am a Sun, Mercury, and Moon singelton...and Venus (and Mars) are highy aspected in my chart. I love music (singing) and my Venus/Mars midpoint is also tightly conjunct my mercury. My venus is at an anaretic degree 29.57 of Taurus (really close to 0).

Sorry, for not being really helpful but I found it interesting that Mariah Carey is also a Venus singelton. I think 'singeltons' stand out from the rest of the chart; sort of trying to get all the attention.

Have you been to this site?
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/articles.htm


They explain singeltons but I'm not sure if that is what you are looking for...

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izodesmozina
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posted December 18, 2006 12:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, Amelia!

I have 3 singletons, as well (venus, saturn and pluto) and I feel I have a lot of characteristics that belong to these 3 planets. Venus, however, being unaspected as well, it's a little difficult to grasp. My Venus forms 3 aspects with Chiron, Ascendant and MC and I think all these 3 aspects are more prominent because my Venus is unaspected.
How does the anaretic Venus work in your life? Mine is also in Taurus, by the way. Nice sign for a Venus placement, I'd say
My Moon&Neptune are at an anaretic degree, in Sagi and they are highly aspected.
I didn't know Mariah has a singleton Venus. And she's a fellow Aries, too!
I agree about the singletons trying to stand out. I feel that the unaspected planets will do that, too, once you become aware of their potential (still a long way to go for me ). Maybe I'll discover some hidden talent hehe. But I have no clue which one because I've tried most of them and failed...

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izodesmozina
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posted December 18, 2006 12:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just realized you're new to this forum and this is your first answer. How awesome!!
Welcome!!!

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Amelia
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posted December 18, 2006 01:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, izodesmozina

and many thanks for the gracious welcome.

I think singeltons are at first hard to grasp; sort of like a 'yo-yo' effect. Well, at least for me... My Venus, is very prominent in my life; depite being so close to 0 degrees of Gemini; I often feel more Taurean. It could be other aspects but I admit it, I'm stubborn and I'm often told that I am mellow/calm, stable, and well-mannered I am (depite having to be a 'hot-tempered, impatient, impulsive' Aries sun). Of course, this could all be due to my Libra moon... I have read *need to find the site* that the planet where an anaretic degree occurs is where one is more impulsive; undecided on what to do. However, I do believe that in some way or another that these Anaretic degrees and Singeltons are karmic. They may be harder to grasp but maybe once someone does...the awards that are reaped become even geater.

Just a thought, well..it worked for Mariah Carey, lol...music is very Venusian and I don't think anyone can state that she doesn't love to sing.

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izodesmozina
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posted December 18, 2006 01:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, again!
So you're an Aries, as well? So nice! What are your other placements?
I know what you mean about the Taurean Venus. I always admired women with that subtle charm. I hope I'll be able to integrate my Venus better in my chart. It's also angular, opposing the MC. It is very important to me, too, but I feel the unaspected part much more than the singleton part. I'm very curious to see what it will reveal hehe. I'm into music, but... something's missing... I used to sing and I played the piano and was somewhat good at it, but NOT ENOUGH... I still "feel" music and I miss it, but I think I'd be a better writer than a singer (partly because of my Sun conj Mercury in Aries in the 2nd/3rd).
I agree about the karmic compound of the anaretic, singleton and even unaspected planets.

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Amelia
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posted December 18, 2006 01:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ironically, I just posed my chart in the 'Post Your Chart' topic on this forum.
But, who doesn't like posting their Natal information (heh); going in order:

Sun Aries 14°07'12
Moon Libra 28°49'58
Mercury Pisces 27°48'58
Venus Taurus 29°57'44
Mars Capricorn 27°49'30
Jupiter Taurus 5°45'12
Saturn Capricorn 2°30'29 stationary (R)
Uranus Capricorn 1°02'48 stationary (R)
Neptune Capricorn 10°10'37
Pluto Scorpio 11°56'09 in retrograde
True Node Pisces 23°03'12 retrograde

Virgo Asc: 24°26'44

Yes, I have a Cappy stellium (more of an earthy vibe) 6 planets total in the Earth element, and yes, a fellow Aries sun here.

Wow, a Venus singelton and near the angle (opposing Midheaven) would it be at the (or near the) Nadir? So, I see how Venus should play a sort of prominent part in your life. Piano, sounds wonderful...I only have my voice as an instrument, heh. When I think of writing; I think of Mercury and its' aspects and house placement. Writing music, I think of planet mercury aspecting Venus and/ or possibly Mars and Neptune (or maybe outer planets play a bigger role). As for play instruments, i.e: the piano I always envision 'air sign' placements; especially Aquarius... I may be wrong wrong but just a thought.

I also, conside asteroids. For example, my Amor is almost exactly conjunct my Neptune. I conside myself 'obsessed' over music (and luckily not over alcohol, hah); more of a platonic type of love...but I do 'love' music, heh.

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posted December 18, 2006 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
venus in gemini in the 5th

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posted December 18, 2006 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Izo - I guess it is wierd but I never thought about the rarity of two people in a relationship with unaspected planets.

Still what is rarer is your unasp and singleton venus. I think you should take up singing, esp it being in tau! I've thought about it myself (as venus rules my 2nd).

In regard to your current relationship, if you are aware of this issue of an unasp venus then I can't really see how it could affect your relationship. I have had similar feelings of detachment but I guess I have reconiciled it like the lady in the quoted example. Just go with the flow, don't analyse, thats the best thing in a relationship. If it feels good and continues to, then it must be going in the right direction.

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