posted December 26, 2006 11:59 PM              

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Saturn Square Pluto
Pluto Square Ascendant

Saturn Square Pluto

The square of composite Saturn and Pluto creates difficulties. One of you will feel that you are struggling in chains forged by the other, that the relationship is restrictive, and that your natural growth is being inhibited. It is most likely that each of you will affect the other this way at different times.

The energies of the aspect may not be experienced directly, however. The Saturn-Pluto combination seems to have the effect of creating a shortage or lack of something that seems essential, so the two of you will not always have what you want, whether it is material comfort or psychological support.

Please realize, however, that the dynamics of your relationship is the problem, not the other person. In other words, both of you are contributing to the situation.

Such a relationship can face quite unpleasant circumstances, most commonly in the form of increasing emotional coldness and remoteness between you. From there you may get to the point of resisting each other strongly and wanting to break free at all costs. If you want to make it work, you must recognize how you have created this situation.

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Pluto Square Ascendant

The square of composite Pluto and Ascendant indicates the danger of a serious ego conflict between the two of you at all levels of interaction. One of you will attempt to dominate the other, or perhaps both of you will try to be the dominant one.

If this contest between you continues, one of you will at length emerge as the loser, who can "win" only by breaking away. Then the fight for independence becomes another of the many struggles that mark this relationship.

Fortunately, there is another side to this aspect, which you should strive to develop. It can also indicate that you transform each other inwardly and outwardly, but in a positive way. While you may naturally be concerned for each other, you must not make an ego issue of your partner's development. You must just allow the process to unfold, as it surely will.

When Pluto's energies are used for selfish and egoistic purposes, they tend to become malevolent.

posted December 27, 2006 01:24 AM            

Your Moon @ 12* Aries opposes his Libra Sun, Venus, Mars and Pluto.

Your Venus @ 2* Capricorn squares his Pluto @ 7* Libra.

His Venus @ 7* Libra conjuncts your Pluto @ 5* Libra.

Your Saturn @ 4* Cancer squares his Venus @ 7* Libra and his Pluto @ 7* Libra.

You:
Scorp Sun
Aries Moon
Scorp Mercury
Capricorn Venus
Aries Mars

Him:
Libra Sun
Cancer Moon
Scorp Mercury
Libra Venus
Libra Mars

Take this with a grain of salt but looking at the aspects between you, I would think you found him charming in the beginning and so long as you were willing to go along with his plans and suggestions, he remained charming. When you didn't go along...to get along or for any other reason, there was bickering, discussion which is the Libra mode of arguing, he withdrew into a shell and wouldn't talk to you, took lots of things you said personally as criticism and carried the hostility over into other discussions/arguments. There is a probability for coldness and distance in one of these aspects...Venus Square Saturn...when there is conflict. There's also a probability of bickering, sometimes just for the sake of disagreement...Sun oppose Moon.

Libra doesn't like disagreement and he's strong Libra. However, Libra really does like to get their way. Of the two of you, you have the much more aggressive signs in your personal planets. My guess is that you stopped being charmed. You began to see him as manipulative when he didn't get his own way and perhaps sarcastic, spendthrift, indecisive, withdrawn and cold. These are probable reasons you were not overly upset over his leaving. I would think you had come to the conclusion something had to change in your relationship or it couldn't last anyway.

There is an aspect here that is trouble...Venus Square Pluto. In this relationship, Pluto will try to exercise power over the relationship and feel they have the right to do so. According to Linda Goodman, this aspect is Karmic so perhaps this is payback for some past wrong. My guess....he couldn't get the power over the relationship and decided to leave. I'm not saying he's a bad person but I think he had a need for Control he couldn't get. If that's true then he made a rational decision. The signs in your personal planets, Scorpio and Aries mitigate against you holding still for long when someone is trying to control/dominate you through manipulation or otherwise.

To be honest, I don't see much in the way of harmony in aspects of this relationship and nothing to hold it together when things went wrong. The most positive...and it's a biggie is Venus conjunct Pluto...another Karmic aspect but all by itself, it's not likely to hold a relationship together. Because of this aspect, it wouldn't surprise me if he attempts to make contact later or stay in contact with you. There is a very powerful attraction in this aspect.

You could round up a copy of Linda Goodman's Relationship Signs to see how the aspects between you are/were likely to play out in the relationship....and what adjustments/compromises are necessary to overcome the negatives.

Remember that grain of salt.

posted December 27, 2006 04:34 AM              

sometimes in life we don't know why things like these happen. not until much later. i know how u must be feeling right now...trying to make some sense out of wht u went through. its difficult to say why another person acted the way he did. Or why things happened the way they happened. but let me give it a try.

Your Venus has some difficult aspects, it is involved in a T-square with Pluto and Saturn. Plus it happens to be in 7th, conj NN. all of which put together seems to imply tht most of your learning about yourself wud be thru your relationships.

His chart also shows up the same theme....ie stressful pluto and saturn aspects...he has his moon conj saturn, which is a challenging aspect. tht cud mean he has difficulty expressing his feelings, and cud come across as cold and unemotional (tho such a person can be very sensitive inside...and he has a water grand trine with moon in cancer...all of which wud seem to show tht he is indeed quite emotional). from personal experience with a person with this very same placement, he wrecked the relationship himself (by cheating on me) and used it as an excuse to walk out. With this aspect, the individual can be quite guilt-ridden, and feel that they r not worthy of love. these deep-seated feelings of insecurity can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Both of you have difficult venus-pluto and saturn aspects which i find quite striking. It seems to me that this relationship might have been a karmic one. an interp for venus-pluto aspects:

Your emotions, particularly when it comes to feelings of love and attachment, run very deep. Your personality is magnetic, and you tend to arouse strong feelings in others, who may find you intriguing or somehow offensive! In love, you can be quite possessive and possibly obsessive. At the root of obsessive feelings are deep fears of rejection, loss, and betrayal. Your feelings often run hot or cold--your love nature is generally extreme. It's hard for you to detach yourself and this sensitivity comes from a tendency to take things very much to heart. You are certainly most charming when you want to be. Love relationships turn your world upside down. You are likely to experience love at first sight, as you tend to work on instinct when it comes to affairs of the heart. Your relationships often feel fateful. You easily put pressure on your partner, as you expect much loyalty and honesty in your intimate relationships. Be careful not to let your relationships get to a point where your partner is superfluous and you are working through your own inner demons through him or her. Certainly, you will learn much about yourself through your relationships, and you may not always like what you see. You will meet yourself (the "darker" side or inner demons) through your relationships, and it will be critical that you recognize it as your own "material" and not project it onto your partner.

ILWL

posted December 28, 2006 10:40 AM            

No, I wasn't referring to what you or he may have done to someone else when I mentioned the Karmic aspect, Venus Square Pluto. Though if one believes in Karma, he will have some heavy duty Karma for cheating on his first wife.

Since this is a site devoted to the Astrologer and person, Linda Goodman, perhaps it's best to let her explain. Fortunately, she can and these are her own words on the subject.

Venus Opposed or Square Pluto.....from Relationship Signs, Linda Goodman

"What did you two do to each other in one or more past lives? It had to be serious to be so strongly reflected now in this one through such a potent mutual karmic aspect.

When your relationship explodes now and then, it will usually be Venus who gets the worst of the bargain. Why? Because in any kind of conflict or confrontation, Pluto has more strength and staying power. The problems may often...not always, but often...begin when Venus finds a dozen ways to frustrate Pluto, maybe not deliberately, but the result is the same.

Of course it would be helpful if you could both have total recall of former lives together, so you could remember just what was said and done by each to the other. That would make it easier to balance the scales of atonement between you.

But without such total recall, you'll just have to deal with the stress and tension by realizing that something went wrong "back then" and making an effort to cancel it as best you can.

One way would be for Pluto to loan some of that strength to Venus instead of using it as a weapon of control, and for Venus to stop fearing Pluto's tendency to get even, and to replace resentment with charm. Pluto can use lots of lessons in charm!

posted December 28, 2006 12:22 PM              

What a lovely statment jwhop.....