posted December 30, 2006 11:08 PM            

Did you mean Gypsi?? She's sharp

tNeptune at 18Aqu05 today has just crossed your DC and is headed for nVenus at 19Aqu25. tNeptune spends about 14 years in a house.....

The following may not thrill you with joy, but it's an interesting read.....

From Liz Greene, “The Astrological Neptune and the Quest for Redemption” --

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Neptune in the 7th House

When Neptune appears in the 7th house, the dream of Paradise becomes the vision of perfect union, in which the individual can be contained, nourished and unconditionally loved forever. This vision is not always conscious. Many individuals, in whom the rational functions are strong, remain unaware of such expectations, and will vehemently disclaim any such need. Nevertheless the pattern enacts itself according to the ancient myth, experienced through projection. The watery bliss of Eden may then appear as the suffocating maw of the big fish, since both are dimensions of Neptune; and the familiar cry may be heard of not wanting to be devoured by a needy and dependent partner. Confusion is an appropriate word to describe the paradoxical feelings Neptune in the 7th reflects in relationship. The confusion springs from the individual's unconscious quest for redemption through and by others.

With Neptune in the 7th, the search for the redeemer may be literally enacted. Neptune in the 7th can be predisposed to marrying a parental surrogate, mother-father in one, who after a time begins to devour like the big fish; then the redeemer appears as a lover who, often creative but wounded by life, needs saving and offers salvation at the same time. The two fish are thus divided, like Asherah and Lotan, and the individual projects both. Equally often, the partner or spouse is a victim. In "saving" such a partner lies the hope of one's own redemption. Neptune in the 7th may thus play the "strong" partner to a weak mate—the alcoholic, the drug addict, the individual with serious emotional problems—thereby avoiding the reality of one's own weakness and fragility. But if one encounters someone stronger, then the little child emerges, and the apparent strength collapses, revealing the chaos and vulnerability beneath. Neptune in the 7th is not doomed to disappointing relationships, nor condemned by "karma" to relinquish them altogether. But the individual may evidence a marked reluctance to face the issues involved. The difficulties caused by a 7th house Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, or Chiron may also begin with projection; every planet in the 7th house usually does. But once it becomes apparent that a pattern is at work, the individual is usually willing to explore what is really going on. Not so with Neptune, which cannot bear too bright a light.

The individual who seeks redemption in the arms of another may also play the lover, cheerfully breaking up other people's relationships in the name of "saving" the poor man or woman who is trapped with such a terrible partner. Or he or she may be the deceived spouse. Neptune in the 7th house enjoys triangles. Behind the noble salvation of other lost souls lies a hungry child, who wants nothing less than everything from a partner, yet who may be unwilling to face the enormity of such needs, nor the despair of not having them met. Help may lie in a stronger relationship with Saturn, whose realism can reveal one's own manipulative ploys as well as providing the self-sufficiency necessary to find Eden somewhere other than in one's partner. Neptune in the 7th may be a gifted counsellor, or a minister to the needs of others; and this is perhaps a more appropriate vehicle for the expression of the mythic redeemer in human relationship. But there can be no healing, of self or of others, as long as the unconscious infant bedecks mortals in immortal garb.

Neptune in the 7th may be addicted to the pursuit of the unobtainable, for the glamour and elusiveness of what we cannot have promises endless possibilities of salvation. Once we have established a flesh-and-blood relationship, Neptune cannot sustain its idealisations. This dynamic often lies behind the propensity to select the beloved from the ranks of the already married or the sexually disinclined, or even from the ranks of the priesthood. It may also fuel the self-destructive impulse which impels many people with Neptune in the 7th to eschew all hope of a happy relationship, suffering in an unhappy one because one might earn one's reward in some distant future before, or even after, death. The inclination toward self-sacrifice so often displayed with Neptune in the 7th may conceal very murky waters. Ultimately the sacrifice required may not be personal fulfillment, but rather, identification with the redeemer and the redeemed.

With Neptune in the 7th, we need to experience its longings, aspirations and magic through others. Perhaps we also need Neptunian people around us. Attraction to those of an artistic or mystical persuasion may not be the same as attraction to the psychological infant who mirrors our own infantility. As our own internal balance grows, our attractions change, although the archetypal core remains the same. The 7th house is also not limited to the intimacy of a spouse or lover. It is sometimes called the house of the public, because it reflects our entry into the world of others and our ways of interacting with them. Planets placed in any angular house tend to find their expression through events and people. Neptune in the 7th depends upon others to unfold its story, for we require our mirrors to be literal. All of the characters in Neptune's drama—devouring oceanic mother, divine redeemer, and suffering victim—are usually projected, at one time or another during the course of life. Other people generally belong to one of these three groups, and anything in between tends not to be noticed. Society, too, can be divided according to this triad, for Neptune in the 7th may display strong political inclinations. Neptunian idealisations may be expressed primarily in public life, and may confer not only the ability to sense the needs and sufferings of the collective, but also a remarkable blindness to one's own aspirations to power.

It is important for those with Neptune in the 7th, who choose to move in such an arena, to be honest about the degree of subjectivity involved in their perceptions of society. The Neptunian leader may easily become the Neptunian victim, torn apart—metaphorically or even physically—by the crowd. An interesting example of this in the modern world is Erich Honecker, the Marxist leader of East Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall. Honecker's chart reveals Neptune conjunct the Descendant, 3 degrees from the cusp. Although technically in the 6th house, any planet this close to the Descendant will be expressed through the 7th. Initially Honecker saw himself, and was perceived, as the saviour of the East German people. By the time the Wall was dismantled at the end of 1989, he had become the scapegoat of the people, for his methods were identical with those of the fascist powers he had so virulently opposed. His self-blindness is characteristic of the darker side of Neptune; for he became the very thing he hunted, and was the destroyer of that which he sought to save.

Perceiving others through the lens of Neptune's longing is an ambiguous gift. It can reflect remarkable sensitivity to the pulse of the world "out there," as well as to those individuals with whom one comes in close contact. Such responsiveness can be expressed in many creative and healing ways. But Neptune's suffering through others, when placed in the 7th, is largely self-created. It arises from a mixture of idealised fantasies, infantile needs, and the nature of the people whom one calls upon to participate in one's drama. Disillusionment with others is the natural product of a 7th house Neptune. It is the individual's capacity to deal with this disillusionment, through sufficient recognition of one's own and others' limits, which determines whether or not Neptune in the 7th will create a life of victimisation or of rich and rewarding relationships. Neptune is never content with prosaic interaction. The glory of the theatre must infuse life, for all the world is a stage and Neptune in the 7th is the chief actor. No solution will be found by suppressing Neptune's longing, for it will merely enter through the back door, and appear in one's partner or in an ungrateful public who have turned against their idol. Perhaps the secret lies in allowing others to be both mythic and human at the same time.

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