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Topic: PART OF FORTUNE
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neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 04:05 PM
 
Now, I need to know this, because P.fort is such an important part of ones horoscope.Okay, now on astro, they have this section that says: "always use day formula for part of fortunae" now which formula is more accurate, the regular one, or the day formula? and is it true that we have part of fortune in 2 places and not one? ------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 04:09 PM
okay 'cause this is the delimma,here: on the regular way, just by highlighting p.fort and calculating the chart (without the day formula) I have p.fort conj. mars conj. MC and with the day formula,
i have:
Jupiter trine P.fort
Neptune semi-sextile P.fort
Venus Conjunction Part of Fortune (its blowing my mind to have venus & mars conj p.fort) ------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 04:27 PM
Okay so i've found some information that confirms that when you use astro, the day formula for p.fort is the correct one. So you have to check that box to get the right horoscope.So, *sighs* part of fortune joins my stellium in my 4th house, adding to my Cancerian glow, it does actually look quite nice on my chart,
its also nice to have venus(the ruler of my 2nd and 3rd cusp) conj p.fort, great stuff, excellent. Anybody else want to add their real part of fortune and discuss?
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Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 04:31 PM
okay, (just for the update)
heres a copy of my real birth chart:  ------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
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posted December 31, 2006 04:57 PM
I understand your confusion. Some older sources, Arabic/Persian mainly, say there's a different formula for day and night charts. But later Greek and medieval astrologers often rejected that and said there's only one formula - the day formula.Previously I had supported the different formulas for day and night, but I don't think I like that anymore. I'm going with the Greeks now, as a lot of current astrologers are too - just use the day formula, regardless of when you were born. You'll just have one PoF, not two. I know this is going to confuse all the people I told to use the different formulas in the past. Sorry.
BTW - the formula they use at astro.com is the day formula. So don't worry about it being anything different.
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Xodian
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posted December 31, 2006 05:06 PM
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I understand your confusion. Some older sources, Arabic/Persian mainly, say there's a different formula for day and night charts. But later Greek and medieval astrologers often rejected that and said there's only one formula - the day formula.
Interesting. What reasoning did the Greeks sources gave for the justification of only using the day formula? IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 05:07 PM
wait, GeminiNympth, wait, okay, they use 2 formulas on astro, which one do current astrologers use?the one where your mouse checks the box and its the "day formula" or just the one where you plainly highlight the part of fortune asteroid and then calculate your chart? ------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 05:09 PM
okay to use the day formula, you have to check the box, which means the chart that i posted on this thread is my correct p.fort position, right?------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
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posted December 31, 2006 05:20 PM
Neptune - I didn't realize they've added that option. The Pars Fortune (which is not actually an asteriod - just a calculated point) is the same thing as Part of Fortune. Before, they were using only the day formula. However, I just check some charts and it appears they are still using the day formula regardless of birth time. So I don't know why they would have a box that say "Always use day formula." Confusing, I know. Don't worry about checking the box. Just go witht eh highlight option, OK? Xodian - I fear I can't be very helpful there. Most older source simply say "Ptolemy said to use only the day formula." LOL. The current argument is that the difference bewteen day and night charts isn't as influnetial as previously thought, being based on more prejudical and culturally based notions that have not held up under modern empirical scrutiny. So using different formulas is fruitless at best, misleading at worst. I think there's been a growing acceptence that Ptolemy was right all along. IP: Logged |
Xodian
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posted December 31, 2006 05:28 PM
Thanks for the input GN  .Actually I am searching a few online data bases right now on the topic and I have been getting the same argument Lol! Greek culture had such an influence on the Mediterranean that most people forget that the arabs borrowed heavily from the Greeks. IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 06:58 PM
so then if i don't check the box, then its gemini, but if the box is there, why isn't it as accurate as just highlighting it alone?------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 07:08 PM
all i want to follow is the one thats more accurate?------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
Maire31
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posted December 31, 2006 09:23 PM
I get the Part of Fortune on the MC etc., but in my case it's conjunct the IC literally only a few seconds off.It trines Mars and squares just about everything else - the other angles, Venus, Uranus, Pluto. Oh, it also inconjuncts my Moon! sigh Can anyone fill me in, please? IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 31, 2006 10:08 PM
Well maire, if your familiar with astrodienst chart program, when you get on the page before your calculated chart, and it gives you tons of selections in different sections to chose from, when you scroll to the bottom, you see the asteroids, and were talking about Part of Fortune. When you highlight grey p.fort and then click to calculate your chart, you get a position for your part of fortune. But next to where you highlight p.fort is a box that you can check that states "day formula for p.fort", well when you click that box, (as well as keeping p.fort highlighted grey) you get another position for the Part of fortune.And i started this thread because I was asking which version of part of fortune was more accurate? So thats the jist of the talk. ------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "People see you as an object, not as a person, and they project a set of expectations onto you. People who don't have it think beauty is a blessing, but actually it sets you apart" - Candace Bergen "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
aquaspryt69
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posted January 01, 2007 10:28 AM
Neptune~I like the topics you pick, but your questions confuse me  Not sure what any of it is suppose to mean, but I have my P. Fortune in my 4th at 1 degree Pisces squaring my Neptune and Mercury, bQ my Uranus and sextile my Saturn. Maybe one of our wise astrologers will help us all out by telling us what all these placements and aspects mean. IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted January 01, 2007 02:43 PM
so can someone give me an interpretation for Venus conj. Part of fortune (in sagittarius)??------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
Maire31
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posted January 02, 2007 01:17 AM
Neptune, I did read about the two options re the POF and my placement does not change at all when I calculated it both ways. I was born in mid afternoon, don't know if that matters. IP: Logged |
Missa
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posted January 02, 2007 03:42 AM
I have Part of Fortune on DC, in Pisces. Any insight is welcomed. IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted January 02, 2007 08:20 AM
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Neptune, I did read about the two options re the POF and my placement does not change at all when I calculated it both ways.
I was born in mid afternoon, don't know if that matters.
yes that does matter, Maire, you see, i was born 11 minutes after midnight, ------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged | |
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