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guy_me_19
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posted January 04, 2007 01:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Oh Shut up! I can read people better than your 100 scorps. I am a Virgo." His eyes came alive when he said, "I am a Virgo". He said it with sheer self-respect and dignity.

I heard the above words from a Virgo male friend. I was speechless.
What is your say??

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GrlyGirl20
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posted January 04, 2007 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually think that would depend on the person's mercury placement. I think a Virgo with a mercury in Leo, or Libra would have less analytical ability. But overall I think that virgo is the better of the two. Virgo is good with intricate details, and a scorpio has a single mindedness with is a positive, but they also possess an inability to be detached which would be a hinderance to their analytical ability.

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posted January 04, 2007 02:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm, it depends on a lot of factors in ones' chart, but between Scorpio and Virgo...it just depends on the type of research you want to 'dig' up.

Virgo, is more about 'solid' straight-forward facts; more detached (less emotional)...and being a mutable sign it is adaptable.

Scorpio is a water sign thus more emotional; it may be more difficult to be more detached. Though VERY observant and looks past facades; it is a fixed sign (more stubborn than mutable) so the thinking may not (or may) be as open. Being a 'water' sign it may prove to be more difficult to detach from ones' emotions and 'stick' to facts/ logic. Emotions may take over...thus 'blinding' the real facts.

So, observing my spending habits I'd go for virgo...finding out 'mysteries of life' I'd go for Scorpio...;p

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posted January 04, 2007 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In your story, you said the Virgo claimed he could read people better than a Scorp. In that particular area Virgo may not have an edge on Scorp.

In analytic ability it would have to be a case by case thing. I believe a Scorp does have the potential to synthesize information in a way that could be more cunning than a Virgo.

It depends on the Scorp and Virgo in question.

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Amelia
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posted January 04, 2007 02:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm, AcousticGod

you did 'raise' a good point...

Reading people is more intuitive; something that can not really be explained by pure facts...intuitive (instinctual and emotional), thus being something a Scorpio would normally be better at than a Virgo.

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posted January 04, 2007 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear guy_me_19,

Thank you, I needed a good laugh.

You may inform your poor misguided friend of the following:

Scorpio doesn't just read people, she makes reading people her business. Scorpios are the academics - nay, the hermeticists, kabbalists, alchemists, and mediums of the (largely occult) science of people-reading. By cosmic design, Scorpios are "mundane channels" for other people, just as Pisceans are "divine channels" for the impersonal. It is indisputable that Scorpio sees people. Seeing people is a clear part of her central theme, which is the 1st ego death in the Zodiac (Pisces being the second). That's what Pluto does. It's precisely what Scorpio and the 8th house is all about; seeing with such intensity, clarity, and vision, that you become, in actuality, fundamentally changed by the experience of seeing.

Virgo is first only to pass judgement, and believes that she has "read" the person, just as she might report that she had read a book, even if she had hardly understood or envisioned a word of it. While Scorpio delves and delves, Virgo merely judges the book by its pages.

Scorpio sees what Virgo sees, and is not impressed. She knows she has seen nothing yet, because Scorpio does not just see, or read, Scorpio empathizes with her whole being; whether spiritually or sexually, she enters into the person (or book), and is penetrated in her turn (no virgin, this one). She explores, in silent depths, the intentions and potentialities unknown even to that person (or to the author of that book). With skill, she does not merely glimpse what is, but also what has been, what is now in the process of becoming, and what else may be.

Furthermore, Scorpio then takes an audatious hand in shaping the characters and destinies of those with whom she deals, even in passing, for she is more intent on inspiring and recreating people than merely judging them by what that which is most apparent on the surface.

Why does Virgo presume that Scorpio has missed the mark, and misjudged the man? It is because Scorpio sees what Virgo does not, and Virgo is too blind to admit a possible blindspot in her laser-like powers of discrimination. What she most often misses, in her impeccable concentration upon the minutia of the physical world, is the entire kingdom of the metaphysical. She studies a tree down to its roots, and tells you about the forest. But she has not seen the forest for the trees. She has only provided a well anotated index of impressive-sounding latin words denoting a mystifying variety of plant species, the mystical properties of which she has not even begun to imagine - for she can find no room for them within the strict lines of her three-ring binder circus. She has not spoken with the spirit of the forest itself; the one that is there in the darkness as much as the light. She does not see how the wilderness is a dynamic charnel ground of supernatural souls, twisting, devouring, and giving birth to one another in secret and in sight. She "thinks" she sees. Mercury always thinks something. But she does not feel it. She does not see what is within. That, my friend, is a job for Pluto.

Orpheus never made it out of the underworld with his Eurydice. At the crucial moment, he lost his faith, and turned to make sure she was with him, and lost her forever. This is typical of the rational, earthy mind's addiction to the immediacy of verifiable realities.

Hermes, too, can pass thru hell, but he can only translate tongues. He may speak in them passably, even fluently, but not taste the dark nectar of their spirit. Hermes can boast of emerging from the depths unscathed, but, if he is unscathed, he is also untouched. He cannot strip his sleeve and show the battle scars, or utter a primal cry for the fall of man.

"Have pity on me,
for the hand of God hath touched me."
- Job

"What keeps most people from suffering very much is lack of imagination.... Everything great that we know has come from neurotics. It is they and only they who have founded religions and created great works of art. Never will the world be aware of how much it owes to them, nor, above all, how much they have sufferred in order to bestow their gifts upon it."
- Marcel Proust

"In the psychopathic temperament we have the emotionality which is the sine qua non of moral perception; we have the intensity and tendency to emphasis which are the essence of practical moral vigor; and we have the love of metaphysics and mysticism which carry one's interests beyond the surface of the sensible world. What, then, is more natural than that this temperament should introduce one to regions of religious truth, to corners of the universe, which your robust Philistine type of nervous system, forever offering its biceps to be felt, thumping its breast, and thanking Heaven that it hasn't a single morbid fibre in its composition, would be sure to hide forever from its self-satisfied possessors?
If there were such a thing as inspiration from a higher realm, it might well be that the neurotic temperament would furnish the chief condition of the requisite receptivity."
- William James

"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."
- Albert Einstein


So There,
HSC
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- Julian of Norwich
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silverstone
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posted January 04, 2007 03:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AcousticGod

quote:
Being a 'water' sign it may prove to be more difficult to detach...

quote:
but they also possess an inability to be detached which would be a hinderance to their analytical ability.

Scorpios come across as being difficult to detach because they have unfinished business...

Detachment in what way?... Actually I feel that Scorpios can detach easily to the point where most people find them cold. Again, they "may seem" unable to detach... but the Scorpio secret here is that he or she will not until the work is done.

Both signs are incredibly analytical and by the way, work wonderful together

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

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silverstone
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posted January 04, 2007 04:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HSC

You are a true Scorpio, indeed! You gave too much buddy

As always, I admire the passion in your words

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

~Robert Frost

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Amelia
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posted January 04, 2007 04:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Detachment in what way?... Actually I feel that Scorpios can detach easily to the point where most people find them cold. Again, they "may seem" unable to detach... but the Scorpio secret here is that he or she will not until the work is done."

Noticed how I used the word, 'may'...

heh, believe me with my mother who happens to have mercury in scorpio (and ironically enough, venus and mars in virgo) and an older sister with a 'major' scorpio influence in her chart. Both are innate investigators even when they do seem detached, I agree with you there. I also, have two cousins with their Sun sign in Scorpio, both quiet...but yes, indeed both have a very observant nature. Detached but yet attached at the same time (luckily knowing astrology, they can't fool me...I know when they are on a 'case' ;p)...hmmm, no wonder scorps. are so intriguing.

Their intensity is a given though. lol.

Also, I agree Virgo and Scorpio both have brilliant analytical (observant) minds.

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sue g
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posted January 04, 2007 08:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio of course

We are the detective of the zodiac

As well as being sexy, magnetic, charming, talented etc etc etc

My Virgo husband is very sharp, but even I am ahead of him at times...

He probably hates that

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posted January 04, 2007 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some Scorps are so out of touch with themselves that they only think they know someone when in reality they are merely projecting images born of their own egos. I know a (rare) few like this, and they are infuriating.

However, HSC has beautifully explained the potential for an enlightened Scorpio who has learned to rise above the disillusionment Pluto can wreak upon the ego.

But then, what doesn't HSC explain beautifully?

Virgo gets too wrapped up in the facts. They may be able to predict behavior and keep track of cause and effect, but they seem to have no idea what is behind it.

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sue g
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posted January 04, 2007 08:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Future

You are a very wise one, arent you?

*cowers in the corner*

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posted January 04, 2007 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinion, it is not a proper question to ask really...

I think it very much depends on a person and their chart in the whole not just their sun or mercury sign.

I once checked the charts of the most famous psychologists and criminal profilers and there is no particular sign prevailing over the others...

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posted January 04, 2007 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Missa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GrlyGirl20, Mercury in Libra could be a good thing, Libras are able to see all the sides and as an air sign keep things rational and not let their own emotions affect so greatly on their judgement.

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noreenz
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posted January 04, 2007 10:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, Steve, Steve.............as someone stated........tis beautifully written, however this Virgo Sun conjunct Merc & Pluto in the 8th house may not agree with all that was said, lol I do however wish I had your ability to write!

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BlueEyes24
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posted January 04, 2007 10:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they're both capable of being extremely analytical, although in different ways. I'm a Virgo sun/Scorpio moon, so I know this all too well.

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guy_me_19
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posted January 04, 2007 11:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HSC, I am blessed to have read you. I cannot thank you enough.

In fact, believe me when I tell you that I have always been a 'believer'. You only reconfirmed that belief. Therefore thanks indeed.

I have had this fascination for Scorps since the first time I read them. I have had mojorly Scorp friends in life. Met majorly Scorp people on the net who have influenced me or been friends etc.


I connected with your write-up till the line: "That, my friend, is a job for Pluto."
But thereafter I began to lose you. But having understood even that much at the age of twenty and with Taurus Sun, Virgo Moon and Libra rising is something I am sure you will appreciate. lol!!!!

In these lines:
Orpheus never made it out of the underworld with his Eurydice. At the crucial moment, he lost his faith, and turned to make sure she was with him, and lost her forever. This is typical of the rational, earthy mind's addiction to the immediacy of verifiable realities.

Hermes, too, can pass thru hell, but he can only translate tongues. He may speak in them passably, even fluently, but not taste the dark nectar of their spirit. Hermes can boast of emerging from the depths unscathed, but, if he is unscathed, he is also untouched. He cannot strip his sleeve and show the battle scars, or utter a primal cry for the fall of man.

I got them at an intuitive level, but not completely.
And thereafter I understood little but nonethelss did connect (little) on an intuitive level.

I will ask you more questions by specifically mentioning your name in the subject line (sometime) and I hope you will be generous to reply not just for me only but all of us here.
But thanks indeed.
I will not forget you.
warm regards,
guy.

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posted January 04, 2007 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stargazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri

IMO I believe that Scorpio can connect on a level that Virgo can not reach. Scorpios are feelers and Virgos are thinkers. That said, it is a "general" comparison of the signs.

Steve
If not already, I hope you aspire to be published one day. You are a gifted writer.
I have to agree with noreenz to disagree with some of what you posted. On a personal level only though. Pluto's vibe is a strong current in my ebb and flow.
koch:
Virgo Sun, Merc., Venus, Ceres, Juno, Pt.Fort., Uranus, Pluto 8th house
Scorpio Mars, Neptune, MC

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posted January 04, 2007 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Wow, thanks, guys/gals.

For the record, I want to make clear that it is my understanding that all astrological writing, without exception, involves the use of generalities, archetypes, and rules of thumb. They are the very substance of astrology, and the infinite variety of individuals we find in the world are the result of how these basic, archetypal energies interweave. When I speak of Virgos, I am speaking in the abstract. Clearly, no pure Virgos exist; no person is entirely a Virgo, since no person has every planet in Virgo, and Virgo on the cusp of every house! This ought to go without saying, but, for some reason, whenever someone speaks of astrological archetypes, somebody raises the objection that they are generalizing. Well, duh. Astrology is not biography. We are not studying individuals, one at a time, but individuals en masse. We are isolating the common "stuff" of which all individuals are made. So, I am not by any means suggesting (and I doubt any astrologer has ever suggested) that every Scorpio is better at reading people than every Virgo. I am, however, saying that if a Virgo happens to be particularly adept at reading people, you can be sure there are significant Scorpio, Pluto, and/or 8th house influences in the chart. I hope that clears things up a bit.

For the record, I am very fond of the sign of Virgo, and I think the chart of a truly great psychologist would be likely to contain a combination of Scorpio and Virgo influences. I think Leo, Aquarius, and Pisces have strong gifts in this area as well. Each excels in different ways, for different reasons. But when we speak of reading people, REALLY reading them, down to the bone, and even the soul, make no mistake, we are in Pluto's territory.

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posted January 04, 2007 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo uses her mind (Mercury) to analyze and understand people. Scorpio uses his intuition to go below the surface (Pluto) to analyze and understand people.

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posted January 04, 2007 03:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seriously? My brother's rising is Virgo and his sun is Scorpio. He's a neurosurgeon but he could have been a really good psychologist because of his mind and heart to help. People come to him all the time. Hmm, he could have 2 careers (as a neurosurgeon and a psychologist).

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sue g
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posted January 04, 2007 03:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew a guy who was Scorpio sun with Virgo rising

He was a brilliant healer!

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posted January 04, 2007 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for future_uncertain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wise? No.

Just an eternal student of the human experience, for sure. Sometimes I wish I could stop analyzing and just "be," but it's not in me. In some ways I enjoy it, but often my friends/loved ones would prefer that I stop putting them under the microscope and just enjoy the company.

This is my curse, I'm afraid...

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guy_me_19
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posted January 04, 2007 11:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HSC! Thanks a toooooooooooon for that explanation!

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guy_me_19
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HSC, thanks again for that explanation.
It helped me a greeeaaat deal to say the least.

warm regards,
guy.

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