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izodesmozina
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posted January 06, 2007 02:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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william
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it seems that most the lying has to do with his sexual infidelity
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Gemini Nymph
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posted January 06, 2007 03:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pathological lying is indicative of mental illness. That's a little tricky to discern from a chart (althoug I'm pretty good at it, if I may say so), and virutally impossible without the EXACT time of birth and the right ASC.

However, I will say that if - **IF** - he does have Sag ASC and that Sag ASC is very conjunct his Neptune, then yes, there's reason to be concern. Neptune conjunct ASC indicates someone who may retreat from a "real" public image to one of their own imagination's making. This is not an easy aspect at all. It doesn't indicate lying per se, but a struggle dealing with the world as it is and resisting the Neptunian urge to retreat into dreams and imagination. In some cases, like my brother, who has Sco ASC conj 12H Neptune, it does mean lying. In other cases, it may mean someone who turns to their imagination and inner world a lot, through play, solitude or art (or in some cases, drugs and alcohol), to cope with reality.

That his Neptune opposed Venus indicates he may feel strong disappointment and disllusionment with love and the world. He is likely very restless and not contented easily. He has a very vague, nebulous sens eof what he wants out of life that only compounds this problem. He probably vascillates alot in what he desires out of life and from other people - in relationships, he's a bit like a ship without an achor on stormy waters. He needs a strong, stable person of vision and integrity to come into his life to shine light into the murkiness and chaos of his inner self.

His Neptune inconjunct Mercury indicates a lot of miscommunications and misunderstandings, both by him and by those around him. This may be mistaken for lying in some cases, even when he's being compeletely honest. On teh other hand, he may feel it's just easier to lie to poeple, tell them what they want to hear, because being honest in the past has lead to so much misunderstanding and confusion. This aspect feels like being stuck between rock and a hard place when it comes to self-expressiona nd communication.

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izodesmozina
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posted January 06, 2007 07:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your answers!

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izodesmozina
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sue g
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posted January 07, 2007 11:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi izo

Can I have yer email address please...there is something I would like to ask you?

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izodesmozina
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posted January 07, 2007 12:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, Sue! Please feel free to ask anything you want to know.

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sue g
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posted January 07, 2007 01:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks izo....

I wanted to try and help you with something....

Will email you later and include your reading too!!!!

Thanks

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izodesmozina
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posted January 07, 2007 02:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much, Sue! I'm so curious about it now! I can't wait to receive your e-mail!
Thanks again!

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SLAYER
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posted January 07, 2007 02:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Izo,
There is a T-square which caught my eye at first glance. He has Jupiter in Pisces, Uranus in Sagittarius, Moon in Virgo, so actually he emotionally needs to lie, and that Jupiter in Pisces tends to make him exaggerate it, Virgo-Moon definitely makes him believe his own lies, he sees no wrong in doing that i suppose.

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sue g
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posted January 07, 2007 03:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
izo

I sent you an email....hope you received it?


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izodesmozina
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posted January 07, 2007 04:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Sue, I received it! Thank you so much . I just replied to it.
Slayer, I agree with everything you said.

PS: thanks everybody for everything you said to me today! You really made me feel better about this! Sending love to all of you knowflakes!

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izodesmozina
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sd09
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no this is chart off pathological liar http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=cg7fileewNzZy-u1104297727

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izodesmozina
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posted January 10, 2007 02:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What makes you say that?

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Sweet Stars
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posted January 10, 2007 03:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny SD. My ex has the same signs in his chart.

Capricorn, Aquarius, and Sag.


To much detachment and emotional freedom crap. Plus the Sag makes them kind of untrustworthy.


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Gemini/Cancer cusp
Cancer Ascendant
Mercury Gemini
Taurus Moon *29
Venus Taurus
Mars Libra

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I thought Sags were known for being honorable and trustworthy?

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kate_julia
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THIS is the birth data of a pathological liar.
Male 10 APRIL 1979 5:10pm Melbourne, Australia.
If anyone knows how to put the chart up on screen that would be great! Id love to hear any comments you have about this one.

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alvarella777
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posted July 28, 2007 05:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I'd like to add some thoughts to the ASC/NEPTUNE-conjunction - because I have that myself.

GEMINI NYMPH, you wrote: "Neptune conjunct ASC indicates someone who may retreat from a "real" public image to one of their own imagination's making. This is not an easy aspect at all. It doesn't indicate lying per se, but a struggle dealing with the world as it is and resisting the Neptunian urge to retreat into dreams and imagination. (...) it may mean someone who turns to their imagination and inner world a lot, through play, solitude or art (or in some cases, drugs and alcohol), to cope with reality."

My ASC is in late Sorpio, conjunct my NEPTUNE in late Scorp (1st house) - the rest of my 1st house is dominated by Sagittarius and by my 1st-house-Moon in Sag.

I agree that the ASC/NEPTUNE-conjunct is not an easy aspect at all - and it is most difficult for the one who bears it (i.e.: myself). It took years for me to understand what is going here!!!

First of all: It is NOT per se lying! At least not intentionally. With me, it is rather the other way round: It is hard for me to set my boundaries sometimes and I feel that I am the one who is easily deceived or sometimes fooled by others ... just because my fantasy comes into play very quickly. Sometimes it IS hard to stick with reality i.e. the REAL signals that are sent to me. So, especially during my younger years, it made me feel rather vulnerable, insecure and quite easy to influence/feel touched by the outside world... I guess this is one of the ascpects that made me feel "weak", especially during puberty/young girl age.

The strange thing: For all my life I had the feeling that other people see me as "coming on strong" - some seem to "trust" me immediately (although there might be no reason for that) - others seem to mistrust me and suspect me though (again: for no reason - and it is very hard to erase this mistrust, as if I can do nothing about it!).

Now, that I grew a bit older (in my thirties) I seem to have understood these workings - and indeed have learned to turn that (over-)sensitivity to the outside world around, to make "use" of it. It is really a very influential aspect in my chart/my life.

The strength of having an ASS/Neptune-conjunct is: being able to perceive your surroundings on a very(!) subtle level - you just recognize things/vibes/feelings that other people can't. That's why you seem to be "touchy" or "supernatural" to the outside world sometimes ... what makes people mistrust you - or feel tantalized by you.

You can make use of that in a very constructive way, if you can master this energy.

In my case, I guess I also developed some capacities for manipulating/hypnotizing other people with that ... because you sense what they seem so "see" in you or might "expect" from you. I make use of this in my professional life (which is in the creative area) nowadays. It is easy for me to "convince" people and to keep them fascinated by presenting myself in an approprately mysterious way... It is all a bit of a game - like: a spectacular way of presenting yourself. (haha)

People just don't see trough me as easily ... and I started to appreciated that fact - in fact, very often I myself see more than the others - understand? (But this makes me feel "lonely" sometimes as well. It feels like I have access to some sphere of perception that other people have difficulties to follow, because they want more "down-to-earth"-explanations ecc. - so, I must take care how to "deliver" my insights.)

Creativity/Dream world: OH, yes! Actually, in my professional life the creative part is constantly evolving/growing, and, apart from that, I must admit that I turned to some light drugs during the last years ... It has become a sort of retreat or shelter for me, if the outside world just seems to be too dumb/dull and stupid/materially inclined for me. That is NO GOOD, a negative side aspect - I must admit.

Apart from that I am really able to PLAY-act, I can be anyonye to anyone, if I want to, and I have the capacity to get along with all kinds of people ... AND: I hardly have any prejudices!!! I guess I am one of the most tolerant people ever, really, haha, because I just see through the pretences/outer shells of anybody. They cannot make a fool of me so easily anymore - and even if somebody hurts me, I feel some kind of "compassion" for them, because sometimes I can sense their own weaknesses and deficits. So that I don't have to take it too personally... Understand?

I guess I COULD be a great lier, now. I feel that I am mastering this very distinct constellation better and better each day of my life. It DOES make me feel special and it DOES add to the "excentricity" I am known for in my surroundings ... no doubt about that.

But still ... the problem of "unclear boundaries" is a task to deal with. As easy as it is for someone with ASC/Conj NEPTUNE to penetrate and "melt" with your sussoundings - just as difficult it is sometimes to "protect" yourself from all the unfiltered insights/perceptions you feel.

Wow - that was a long reply!!! Sorry!! But it IS a very distinct constellation, at least for me!

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