posted July 28, 2007 05:09 AM
Hi,I'd like to add some thoughts to the ASC/NEPTUNE-conjunction - because I have that myself.
GEMINI NYMPH, you wrote: "Neptune conjunct ASC indicates someone who may retreat from a "real" public image to one of their own imagination's making. This is not an easy aspect at all. It doesn't indicate lying per se, but a struggle dealing with the world as it is and resisting the Neptunian urge to retreat into dreams and imagination. (...) it may mean someone who turns to their imagination and inner world a lot, through play, solitude or art (or in some cases, drugs and alcohol), to cope with reality."
My ASC is in late Sorpio, conjunct my NEPTUNE in late Scorp (1st house) - the rest of my 1st house is dominated by Sagittarius and by my 1st-house-Moon in Sag.
I agree that the ASC/NEPTUNE-conjunct is not an easy aspect at all - and it is most difficult for the one who bears it (i.e.: myself). It took years for me to understand what is going here!!!
First of all: It is NOT per se lying! At least not intentionally. With me, it is rather the other way round: It is hard for me to set my boundaries sometimes and I feel that I am the one who is easily deceived or sometimes fooled by others ... just because my fantasy comes into play very quickly. Sometimes it IS hard to stick with reality i.e. the REAL signals that are sent to me. So, especially during my younger years, it made me feel rather vulnerable, insecure and quite easy to influence/feel touched by the outside world... I guess this is one of the ascpects that made me feel "weak", especially during puberty/young girl age.
The strange thing: For all my life I had the feeling that other people see me as "coming on strong" - some seem to "trust" me immediately (although there might be no reason for that) - others seem to mistrust me and suspect me though (again: for no reason - and it is very hard to erase this mistrust, as if I can do nothing about it!).
Now, that I grew a bit older (in my thirties) I seem to have understood these workings - and indeed have learned to turn that (over-)sensitivity to the outside world around, to make "use" of it. It is really a very influential aspect in my chart/my life.
The strength of having an ASS/Neptune-conjunct is: being able to perceive your surroundings on a very(!) subtle level - you just recognize things/vibes/feelings that other people can't. That's why you seem to be "touchy" or "supernatural" to the outside world sometimes ... what makes people mistrust you - or feel tantalized by you.
You can make use of that in a very constructive way, if you can master this energy.
In my case, I guess I also developed some capacities for manipulating/hypnotizing other people with that ... because you sense what they seem so "see" in you or might "expect" from you. I make use of this in my professional life (which is in the creative area) nowadays. It is easy for me to "convince" people and to keep them fascinated by presenting myself in an approprately mysterious way... It is all a bit of a game - like: a spectacular way of presenting yourself. (haha)
People just don't see trough me as easily ... and I started to appreciated that fact - in fact, very often I myself see more than the others - understand? (But this makes me feel "lonely" sometimes as well. It feels like I have access to some sphere of perception that other people have difficulties to follow, because they want more "down-to-earth"-explanations ecc. - so, I must take care how to "deliver" my insights.)
Creativity/Dream world: OH, yes! Actually, in my professional life the creative part is constantly evolving/growing, and, apart from that, I must admit that I turned to some light drugs during the last years ... It has become a sort of retreat or shelter for me, if the outside world just seems to be too dumb/dull and stupid/materially inclined for me. That is NO GOOD, a negative side aspect - I must admit.
Apart from that I am really able to PLAY-act, I can be anyonye to anyone, if I want to, and I have the capacity to get along with all kinds of people ... AND: I hardly have any prejudices!!! I guess I am one of the most tolerant people ever, really, haha, because I just see through the pretences/outer shells of anybody. They cannot make a fool of me so easily anymore - and even if somebody hurts me, I feel some kind of "compassion" for them, because sometimes I can sense their own weaknesses and deficits. So that I don't have to take it too personally... Understand?
I guess I COULD be a great lier, now. I feel that I am mastering this very distinct constellation better and better each day of my life. It DOES make me feel special and it DOES add to the "excentricity" I am known for in my surroundings ... no doubt about that.
But still ... the problem of "unclear boundaries" is a task to deal with. As easy as it is for someone with ASC/Conj NEPTUNE to penetrate and "melt" with your sussoundings - just as difficult it is sometimes to "protect" yourself from all the unfiltered insights/perceptions you feel.
Wow - that was a long reply!!! Sorry!! But it IS a very distinct constellation, at least for me!