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GrlyGirl20
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posted January 20, 2007 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm curious as to why whenever I say the guy I had been dealing with is a sag sun and moon everyone automatically is like, "oh thats why!!" I know that Sag's can be a little commitment phobic...but I thought that both the placements conjunct saturn would make him more prone to want a relationship and security. The way things sound from people my expressing my feelings may have made his Sag sun and moon (plus the saturn aspect of it) scared. Scared of losing his freedom (the sag) and scared of getting hurt/everything that could go wrong in a relationship (the saturn). Is this kinda right? I do feel though that him saying that we should move on...will change...he had taken breaks from me before where we both blocked each other or vice versa and then we end up talking again. Is that how Sags are? So what exactly is it about Sags do they have a tendency to say I'm were done then come back as if nothing happned. Or do they just forget? Basically what are Sag men all about?

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posted January 20, 2007 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"So what exactly is it about Sags do they have a tendency to say I'm were done then come back as if nothing happned. Or do they just forget? Basically what are Sag men all about?"

I don't know what it is, but I've had it happen to me more than once. And he never could understand what was so wrong with the whole back and forth thing. Mostly it enraged me when I found out he was doing the "back and forth" between me and someone else. And had this little boy attitude of getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar and trying to act so hurt that anyone could be truly angry with him.

I've dated three saggies. Their defense is always "well, I meant it when I said it". They're fine if you're right there with them, but in my experience as soon as you're out of sight, you're out of mind. I finally decided to take them off the menu completely.

Be careful.

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MysticMelody
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posted January 21, 2007 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Linda Goodman says they are "lighthearted about committment and fidelity" (is that an exact quote?) and she always takes great pains to present everything in the best possible light.
So, if you are both HIGHLY advanced and TRYING REALLY HARD he will still be "lighthearted about committment and fidelity". And that is best possible scenario and super positive.
I also remember something about it being *a fun ride while you have him* or something similar to that.
But, you'll ignore it, because he seems so sincere.
Even a Cappy moon and Cappy venus doesn't help.
Enjoy the ride gf. I've played with that fire twice. The only people who can just up and walk away one day without a word or a tear shed and look at you with wonder when you feel bitter about that...

Do I sound bitter?

I'm just annoyed at myself for ignoring what I knew.

I'm with Kitty.

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posted January 21, 2007 01:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i was asking this question my self a mil times .maybe cause sag is not a stedy fire like leo ,sag is lighting ,tru secer and under dog and ppl in genneral dont like them for those quliities they felt like aliens in this world they actually want to do good but its backire at them and they filld alianeted, true sould out of this world,ppl notready for E.I yeat .sincerly sd09

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posted January 21, 2007 02:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
end more sags here ,to rock the boat

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posted January 21, 2007 02:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ether u like it or not

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MysticMelody
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posted January 21, 2007 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Run GirlyGirl! Save yourself!!!!

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posted January 21, 2007 04:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do not bother if you are sensitive. Those men suck!!!!!

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posted January 21, 2007 11:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The only people who can just up and walk away one day without a word or a tear shed and look at you with wonder when you feel bitter about that..."

I'm sorry anyone else has gone through this, but what a relief to know I wasn't alone and didn't just imagine it all...a nightmare I don't want to ever have again!

There should be a support group...oh, maybe it's US!! '-)

To quote another post in another thread: "run, forrest, run"

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posted January 21, 2007 11:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There can be only only One

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GrlyGirl20
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posted January 22, 2007 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not bitter about us, in fact I don't understand why he said that he wanted ME to block and delete him from everything. I think that is manipulative or it could be because he knew he couldn't keep me blocked or anything. I don't know. I just want for us to stay friends (I blame my venus in 11th house for that). And I don't miss the physical stuff btw us, but I know that I need more time...it feels like we haven't spoken in FOREVER...but it has been a week actually. I will admit that I miss him, and that he might be mad at me (I did happen to say that I didn't enjoy being with him anyway and that I guess I was just a piece of ass to him anyway) I did try to call him like the next day (after I admitted I loved him drunkenly) and he didn't answer. So I'm guessing he doesn't want to be friends or whatever. I think I'm ok with dealing with him, just not seeing him as I will still see him from time to time.

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posted January 22, 2007 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehe Kitty

SD, are you a Sag male?


Girly... Because then he doesn't have to take responsibility for the break up. And he can tell his next victi..err...girlfriend a big sob story about you blocking him and bweaking his poow wittwle hearwt. (See how HONEST he is, hehe, it would be the truth then, wouldn't it?) Did he tell you any good stories about how it was all the crazy ex-gf's fault when you two first met?

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posted January 22, 2007 02:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

MysticMelody said:

And he can tell his next victi..err...girlfriend a big sob story about you blocking him and bweaking his poow wittwle hearwt. (See how HONEST he is, hehe, it would be the truth then, wouldn't it?) Did he tell you any good stories about how it was all the crazy ex-gf's fault when you two first met?


MysticMelody your a genius!!! I didn't even see that. Yeah he did tell me he had a bunch of stuff happen. In fact he told me his ex girlfriend (from his hometown) cheated on him, and got pregnant because she lied and said she was taking birth control. As a result she got an abortion, and he had to drive back to his home state (which is 8 hours away) and take her. And that she didn't tell her parents, and he told his. He basically said that she wanted to not be responsible and he did, and that she still tries to keep in contact with him. He also said he was messed up over it, but he dealt with it (by going to therapy) and seeing someone. Even though he still says to this day he is screwed up. But he says his sex life is messed up over this...and this happned last march.

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posted January 22, 2007 10:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yea i am

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posted January 22, 2007 10:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.:SAGITTARIUS:. The Sexy one

Spontaneous. Horny. Freak in Bed. High appeal. Rare to find. Great when found. Loves being in long relationships. The one. So much love to give. Not one to mess with. Very pretty. Very romantic. Nice to everyone They meet. Their Love is one of a kind. Silly, fun and sweet. Have own unique sexiness. Most caring person you will ever meet! Amazing in Bed..!!! Did I say Amazing in Bed? Not the kind of person you wanna with you might end up crying. 4 years of bad luck if you do not post

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posted January 22, 2007 10:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.:SAGITTARIUS:. The Sexy one

"Loves being in long relationships." Omigod, I must have never met this one...LMAO!

"Their Love is one of a kind." That's for sure...

"Most caring person you will ever meet!" Well, while you're in the same room with him, anyway...

"Amazing in Bed..!!!" Yes, I'll give you that one...

"Not the kind of person you wanna with you might end up crying." Yessiree Bob.

SD09, maybe you're the anomaly here. I'm sure there are some - I love saggies, and mostly what I'd say is I'd be a friend to any of them, just won't date them.

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posted January 22, 2007 11:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as a sag i think sag is indecisive. at least i am... i think!

maybe thats why sags can't decided if they want to stay on with one relationship for ever or not.

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posted January 22, 2007 11:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as a Sag I'd describe it as "keeping the back door open" syndrome.. we just don't like to be stuck to one path in life.. we have a hypersensitivity to the feeling of being trapped. So even if we clearly have freedom we feel that it's being limited by certain relationships.

Sag is very loyal as long as you allow them to think they are free. If you tell them they are "yours" or act like you need them, say goodbye.

I think Sag just sees so far ahead that they don't want to start in the first place. Relationships should exist for the purpose of creating something great, not because of need, or for the purpose of binding two people together.

Just my two cents, even if it's irrelevant. And I'll forget 5 minutes later in typical Sag fashion.

cheers! haha

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posted January 22, 2007 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been hurt very badly by a couple of Sag men.
To me they can be wonderful friends. Just friends.

Yin,
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posted January 22, 2007 02:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gosh, i feel like i'm giving away sagittarius secrets but oh well

hey fellow sags,

i'm a female sag - and i can be indecisive (or seem so) but usually like to feel that i am not restricted so, in turn, keep my goals in the forefront or should i say, considered first before all else or should all else fail. As I get older, those goals went from being that of the brain to just being fine with being pinky. Some of us really need to learn what teamwork is and we struggle with that sometimes. anyway, intimate relationships can be very distracting especially if it tugs at the heart and mind when we don't want it to or when we least expect it and best of all, at the "wrong" time. relationships are blinders whether we realize that or not. since sags are considered the half horse/half man - if you can picture/understand what blinders do for a "wild" horse or what it takes to tame a "wild" horse, there you have it.

as for dating a sag male - ummmm, i wouldn't want to although i like the prospect of not having to see one another all of the time or any one of us feeling “cheated” (well, that’s a bit out there because one or the other may feel neglected until we set some understandings which we should go over every single day if not every single hour, half hour, etc.) BUT i don't like stalkers or peeping-toms and that's what you may get if the sag really likes you and feels they need you, and you are a taste of their own medicine BUT not without still thinking they are somehow alpha (goals still in forefront) in the whole scheme of things, no matter how much of a child they are acting like. You are not the boss of me and if you put yourself out there to believe you are, you will get kicked in the head - knowingly or unknowingly. So, as you can see, can go either way. IT SEEMS that the chase in any relationship is more exciting so whether it is chasing one another or chasing after a goal, it makes the prospect of a relationship much more appealing than say - an "ordinary" one where there is no chase at all. Then again, sometimes, even we get tired of it - the chasing, that is.

"blocking each other or vice versa than talking again" that's called the tug-of-war / as long as both parties are fine with it, it makes for an exciting journey and we forgive without forgetting or forget without forgiving but it's nice to have another piece of the puzzle instead of wondering where the hell the other piece is - sometimes we just need a break. a break, for some of us sags can seem like projects that cause high blood pressures, to others. the rush is great and certainly not for everybody.

as for getting hurt - well, if the person hurts us and then we hurt them or we hurt them and then they hurt us – we sometimes say “we got what we deserve” or don’t feel so bad for the other because “they got what they deserve” – at least, there is one thing out of the way, we each know how to push one another's buttons or see right through the other person and vice versa but there has to be variety to it - all the time, hurting one another's feelings is not a go (sometimes not adhering to a request of leave me alone is hurtful as well or taking something that was said or done which was not to be taken so personally, personally is hurtful as well or jabbing at an already bruised part of us is hurtful or feeling that we have to “act” a certain way for you or others that inhibits how we really are is hurtful and most especially, if you tell us our goals are unattenable for us - that's hurtful) and usually the "i'm done" sets in, meaning - if that ish doesn't change, it stays "i'm done" but if it does change once in a while, you still got a part of me but not as much as before but we gotta get you back. nothing like a good game somewhere in a person's life. In essence, we are feeling a person out as well as feeling our own selves out. Sometimes, we need to say things to see how we will react to it. Sometimes we need to hear it too. Sometimes we feel the other person functions this way too.

when saying "i'm done" it's like meaning - i'm done in one aspect of this but not the whole package - not until we say so which isn't like pouring cold water in scalding hot water until it's lukewarm but more like turning the light switch off and on. when we think about moments with you without blushing or cringing - it's over or damn near. thank gosh. shoot, leave it to one of us sags - we can be done with a person every single day or go through a whole bunch of feelings for a person all in one day, go to sleep, "forget about it" and wake up the next day and start all over again like it's brand new and nothing drastic happened. seriously, tomorrow is another day.

as for "i meant it when i said it" - yes, completely. Just make sure we said it clearly or ask us to repeat what we said. we do get the "out of sight out of mind" complex - yes, we do but when your mate takes it like that / that's attractive because dependence can be both a good thing and a bad thing so it’s really easy to overstep that line but sometimes we sags like someone to be on our ass when we don't want them to be on our ass and out of sight-out of mind, when we want them to be in sight or mind. it gives us the freedom to consider without feeling like we are being supervised or have to plan. sometimes, we like to get the opposite of what we want - it makes us want to stay in it but if it's too "ordinary" it wears out real quick. we don't always need to have exactly what we want but usually don't realize that until the heart is in it and doesn't want to let go. sometimes, we don't realize it until it's long past over but oh well, tomorrow is another day.

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posted January 22, 2007 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Idk why Sag men get a bad rap...

they're delicious, after all ...the only thing thats gets to me is that inability to see their own wrongdoing...grrr

edit...


Sag men suck

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posted January 22, 2007 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Shirty and Amisha. Now that is the higher vibration of Sag honesty at work.

Girly, the truth is there. Read what Shirty said over and over. There is a lot that will be of interest to you in what Amisha said as well, especially toward the end.

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posted January 22, 2007 08:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey saggys!

I thought the whole thing about the saggy person telling grly to block him is b/c he felt guilty and the way to do justice is for her to block him...could that be another possibility?

Hey grly,

Hope u feel better...I had to deal w/ a saggy asc, and cappy moon...and from what u experience and from who u r (cappy moon), u'd sorta know what hell I've gone through...Good luck. I'm still trying to figure out how to get over this person. Perhaps if I become really ambitious in my career, I'd be better off (6th house stellium...take out my energy on work...lol)

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posted January 23, 2007 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You guys are so awesome...I feel like I'm whining about this guy and I have only been dealing with him since Aug that is no reason to miss him or care about him, and we weren't even techincally together. We were only hooking up and being friends, and I logically have no reason to care as much as I do. I am keeping in mind with what you have said that I do need to move on, and that Sag's are "an out of sight out of mind" type of person. So I know that he is for sure not thinking about me or missing me (it wouldn't make sense for him to we weren't together after all).

To mars446:
You are right I do have a cap moon (in the 7th house sadly so I am more about partnerships and relationships than a lot of cap influenced people) but I can't think of a way to get over a person, as I have always kept my distance emotionally (other than this time). But I would say you could do what I have been doing. But I also know what I am doing is not healthy. Which is to just shut off how you feel, don't think about him, get rid of anything with him, and just pretend as though he doesn't exist, and if you see him don't acknowledge him or let him think you care...but again that is NOT healthy.

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posted January 23, 2007 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's not healthy about it?
Do what you need to do to create enough distance for you to get a clear perspective. Create enough distance to use your heart AND your mind to make the best decisions for yourself and your future.
Getting rid of all of the things that remind you of him is an excellent plan and the first thing mentioned in every book/article/advice column on moving on.
It's all in your mind.
Change your focus.
Focus on healthy things, THAT is the healthy thing to do.

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