posted February 01, 2007 04:24 PM              

Here is a list over the Astrological correspondences to the Major Arcana:

0. The Fool = Element Air/Uranus
1. The Magus = Mercury
2. The Priestess = Moon
3. The Empress = Venus
4. The Emperor = Aries
5. The Hierophant = Taurus
6. The Lovers = Gemini
7. The Chariot = Cancer
8. Lust/Strenght = Leo
9. The Hermit = Virgo
10. Fortune = Jupiter
11. Adjustment/Justice = Libra
12. The Hanged Man = Element Water/Neptun
13. Death = Scorpius
14. Art/Temperance = Sagittarius
15. The Devil = Capricornus
16. The Tower = Mars
17. The Star = Aquarius
18. The Poisoned Moon = Pisces
19. The Sun = Sun
20. The Aeon/Judgement = Element Fire/Pluto
21. The Universe = Element Earth/Saturn

I will later in this topic make more correspondences to astrology; Religion, Anatomy, and much more. And offcourse describe why each subject correspond to the given sign, planet or element.
I will also write in the 36 decan`s which correspond to the 36 Minor Arcana.
I want now to hear some opinins and information on this topic. Hope a lot of people out there speak up.....
For now: Peace

posted February 02, 2007 01:52 PM            

O is the cypher. Can be anything. Can be alpha and omega.

posted February 02, 2007 07:47 PM            

"22 is symbolised by the ancients as "a good man, blinded by folly of others, with a knapsack on his back, full of errors" A warning number of illusion and declusion. it indicates a good person who lives in a fools paradise; a dreamer of dreams who awakens only when surrounded by danger, when it's often too late. it warns of mistakes in judgment, of placing faith in those who are not trustworthy. "

posted February 02, 2007 11:36 PM              

Care to share? I'll send you my recipe for Lefsa!!! lol

posted February 03, 2007 01:49 AM              

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I use the Chaldean system to understand the symbolism behind the numbers and the Tarot. According to this system, which was used by people like Cheiro and Linda Goodman, the number for the Fool is 22:

"22 is symbolised by the ancients as "a good man, blinded by folly of others, with a knapsack on his back, full of errors" A warning number of illusion and declusion. it indicates a good person who lives in a fools paradise; a dreamer of dreams who awakens only when surrounded by danger, when it's often too late. it warns of mistakes in judgment, of placing faith in those who are not trustworthy. "

I used the Pythagoran numerological system for years, then I discovered the Chaldean system and it shattered my understanding of numbers. Years later, I use both systems when I am doing a numerological reading, but I definitely think the Chaldean system is more accurate.

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posted February 03, 2007 02:53 AM              

nice posts! thanks for saying everything I would have...

i have been reading tarot for 17 years.

posted February 03, 2007 09:11 AM              

I was just asking what people thought about the correspondences, not that I wanna hear new rules that dont make any sense at all.

posted February 03, 2007 11:19 AM              

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In the antique decks (before Waite-Smith), the Fool is almost always unnumbered, even though the rest of the major arcana bear roman numerals I through XXI. There are a few exceptions: two old decks (including the 15th-century Sola Busca) label the card with a "0", and the Belgian Tarot designs (made by various manufacturers in the 18th century) label the Fool as "XXII". So although the Fool is almost always completely apart from the sequence of trumps in the historic decks, there is historic precedent for regarding it as the lowest trump and as the highest trump!

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(correct me if I'm wrong)
As for the cypher...literally meaning zero...has to do with the Golden Dawn system of Tarot, It is a relatively modern card added to the deck by I believe Eliphas Levi, Mathers, Westcott and Woodman. given the insperation by the Kabbal and the Cypher Manuscripts which some think is a forgery by William Wynn Westcott, Mathers and Woodman.

posted February 03, 2007 11:29 AM            

What do you think of this diagram?? Should it be Pluto at Kether, or Neptune??

And do you agree with the astrological correspondences given on the cards in Crowley's Thoth deck??

posted February 03, 2007 11:44 AM              

To make it quite clear to initiates that they did not understand the meaning of the card called The Fool, they put him down between the cards XX and XXI, for what reason, it baffles the human imaginaton to conceive. They then attributed the card number I, the Juggler, to the letter Aleph. In this simple yet ingenious manner they got the attribution of every card, except The Universe, XXI, wrong.

Twenty-two is the number of the letters of the Hebrew alphabet. It is the number of the Paths of the Sepher Yetzirah. These paths are the paths which join the ten numbers on the figure called the Tree of Life.

Why are there twenty-two of them? Because that is the number of the letters of the Hebrew alphabet, and one letter goes to each path.

Meanwhile, the true attribution was well guarded in the Sanctuary; it only became public when the secret lection issued to members of the Grade of Practicus of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was published as a result of the catastrophe attending the English branch of the Order in 1899 and 1900, e.v., and the reconstruction of the whole Order in March and April, 1904, e.v. By putting the card marked 0 in its proper place, where any mathematician would have put it, the attributions fall into a natural order which is confirmed by every investigation.

"Book of Thoth"

Now, its should make things clearer.
Lets get back to the correspondences of every card.

posted February 03, 2007 12:15 PM            

I was just asking what people thought about the correspondences, not that I wanna hear new rules that dont make any sense at all. "

Well, my give-a-damn is busted!! LOL!!

I am in a good mood, so the following is addressed to the other Knowflakes who will read this thread and are perhaps interested in debating without getting all testy.

For the 16th card, the Tower, the correspondence imo would be Uranus, not Mars. Lightning coming out of thin air and striking out, causing havoc is an Uranian characteristic.

And the correspondence for the Fool would be Neptune, Master of illusions and delusions. Pisces, which happens to be the LAST sign of the zodiac knows a lot about illusions and delusions.

posted February 03, 2007 12:26 PM              

Then maybe I can see your point of view clearer.

posted February 03, 2007 12:30 PM              

I have a tarot book that has the astological correspondences to the tarot card. hmmmm... I should give it a looksy

posted February 03, 2007 12:34 PM            

Speaking of correspondence, I have a sneaky suspicion that the 16th card, the Tower, has dual correspondence, Uranus and Neptune. Because being in a high tower, removed from others, is also a Neptunian characteristic of those who live high above the ground, in their own world of illusion and are detached from other more earthly creatures. It is actually a dangerous position to be in.