posted February 02, 2007 07:26 AM              

how about you guys? are you still using the regular orbs?

posted February 02, 2007 11:43 AM              

I have Pluto rising at 11-12 degrees from my ASC. However i have many traits of someone with a Pluto conjunct ASC. I don't doubt Pluto's presence. I believe it fills a specific niche, and thus has its own unique presence.

posted February 02, 2007 01:38 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted February 02, 2007 01:50 PM              

Some variations of orbs as I've observed:

Conjunction: 5-10 degrees
Trine: 3-7 degrees
Sextile: 2-5 degrees
Square: 3-7 degrees
Opposition: 3-10

Myself, as a guiding rule (with exceptionwhen deemed necessary):

Conjunction: 8 degrees
Trine: 5 degrees
Sextiles: 3 degrees
Squares: 5 degrees
Oppositions: 8 degrees

I usually allow a wider orb (+2) when one of the planets is a luminary, a singleton, chart ruler or is stationary.

A couple of other thoughts about orbs for Pluto:

- Pluto probably ought to be thought more as a binary body because its satellite is nearly the same size. Also Pluto and Charon are in complimentary orbit around *each other* rather simply Charon orbiting around Pluto (techincally it's called "rotation" and they both keep the same face toward each other, like two dancers in a waltz) - this suggests that neither is the "dominant" but a case of two bodies so intertwined they represent one energy.

If thought as a binary body, this could explain some of the oddities with Pluto, as well as it's unique intensity (since it's the only binary body in our solar system we know of). Furhermore, the myth of Pluto does also presents a duality, through transformation, of death and rebirth, which can be seen as represented by the binary Pluto-Charon body.

- Pluto's "demotion" was based largely on it not having it's own orbit (it crosses Neptune's orbit at certain points). At certain points of its orbit when it crosses Neptune's orbit, Pluto is actually closer to the Sun than Neptune. Ina strtology I thin this is significant - see it as Pluto's way of "weaving" itself into our solar system, again in its own unique way.

posted February 02, 2007 02:04 PM              

Personally, I still see Chiron as an asteriod, albeit one of the most, if not THE most significant one for astrology. But it, unlike Pluto, isn't a represention of unique energy in my opinion - it's an expansion or higher vibration of energies already dominant in the major planets (the "archtypes"), chiefly the Moon, Mercury and Jupiter. I am very comfortable with seeing it as a "higher moon" that possesses both the personal dimensions of the Moon and the universal dimensions of Jupiter. Chiron also has the earthy Virgoan-Mercurial side that represents a social dimension. But suffice tp say, Chiron isn't the dominant/archtypal representation of these energies, so it's still "minor" even if very infleuntial.