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gemini girl
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posted February 08, 2007 02:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello lol i wont put down my point of view cause i know ill get cruxifiction from backward to eternity. obviously i dont believe in marriage. my parents arent divorced, ive met really nice men but they r rare.

so who here believes in marriage and why.

dont tell me cause god created it, i want to know why you as a person believe in it not because it was inflicted by society or its the right thing to do.

also post ur venus sign if u please and jupiter the major aspects as well as tnode.

if theres anyone that doesnt believe in marriage would again like to know why.

i dont believe its got anything to do with age.

this should be interesting and a fun love see ppls reactions. and the 2 debates that bring that out to me is marriage and abortion. its just so amusing to see human nature in action lol

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libraschoice7
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posted February 08, 2007 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really believe in marriage and I have Venus in Virgo but Sun in Libra go figure, throughout growing up I've seen so many couples that seemed happy and destined for a happily ever after story, just end up divorced. And I have certainly noticed that when a couple is with each other for quite awhile as just boyfriend/girlfriend and than they decide to marry, they are usually the ones who get divorced quicker! Besides there is so much legal mumbo jumbo attached to getting married these days it's not even funny...what ever happened to the love and the tenderness involved with marriage, where did it go? It just makes me think of that movie with George Clooney "Intolerable Cruelty".

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Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

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pidaua
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posted February 08, 2007 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in Marriage but I do not believe marriage is for everyone and should never be done for the wrong reasons.

I hate when men marry so they can have a "mom" and the same is true for lazy a$$ women that use their hubby as a paycheck.

I think marrying for lonliness is also wrong as it marrying for status.

I am married and I LOVE it. I have been married before but it didn't work out. Such is life. Relationships often don't always work out and that is why we move on. My husband and I are a team. We love to be together yet we are also happy to have "me" time. We consider each other's feelings and we talk all the time.

Why do I believe in marriage? I believe in it because it is a solid contract to love this person forever. It is a romantic ideal and tradition that I hold dear, BUT I didn't get married the first time until I was 30. Marriage takes work, just like family and friends take work to maintain.

People think marriage is all fun and happy days, but like any human relationship there are downs as well. Mature people can handle them, immature people can't.

I almost didn't answer this post because of how the actual questions were phrased- as if waiting for a confrontation. But I think it has something to do with the language barrier perhaps?

No one is forcing another to get married. I could care less who marries and who stays single. It doesn't affect myself or my husband in any way, shape or form. Why cram NOT believing in marriage down ones throat and rail against those that believe in marriage?

Me-

Sag Sun and Venus in Sag

Hubby

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pearlized
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posted February 08, 2007 04:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in marriage for myself with this union that i have currently. Marriage is not for everyone. For years i thought i would never get married as i am very independent.
My parents have been married for over 30 years and they are not the Huxtables. Marriage is hard work and you have to be willing to comprimise and communicate. To see the fruits that blossom from a marriage is a wonderful thing.
Pisces Sun, Venus in Aries, Gemini Moon and Jupiter in Taurus
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Gemini Nymph
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posted February 08, 2007 04:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a lot of issue with the "institution" of marriage, marriage as it is socially acceptable. I believe in marriage, but my idea of marriage is very progressive and very nonconventional. I do think there's a social dimension to marriage, which is why ritual and ceremony are important. But the notion that society ought to have the final word on what is and isn't a marriage, what is and isn't acceptable within a marriage is nonsense. Marriage needs to be defined by the two individual's respective paths of personal growth, and not by what society expects of them.

Anyhow, I'll not get into a rant here. There's plenty of other things about marriage that drive me up the wall. For the most part, I think people ought to avoid it. But they won't - they'll do exactly want society has programmed them to do, and then turn around and call it "love." Yeah, my a$$.

Gem Venus in 9th - conjunct Tau Saturn, opposed Sco Jupiter and Sag Neptune, trine Libra Uranus.

Sco Jupiter in 3rd - conjunct Sag Neptune, opposed Gem Venus and Tau Saturn, sextile Vir Pluto.

Aqua True Node in 5th - conjunct Mars and Vertex, trine Gem Mercury and MC, trine Libra Uranus

Also I have Pisces moon in 7th, which is opposed by Pluto and square Sun and Mercury


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Lynx
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posted February 08, 2007 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in marriage, I just don't believe in people. I think people are weak.

Venus in Aqua in the 12th
Jupiter in Scorpio in 10th
Node in Cancer in the 6th
aspects here: http://i3.tinypic.com/454y2c8.gif

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Dove
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posted February 08, 2007 05:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
marriage, do I believe in it....yes.....but I don't give a flying fig about the papers that say you are....
when I think of marriage I think of the wolf that mates for life. An animal that I am very close to.
There is such beauty in the idea of marriage for me like the sun and moon. two people melding into eachother (like when there is dawn and dusk). In truth what I think marriage is, is a soul bond that does not, will not, can not brake, you are bound to each other for better or for wores like the sun and moon. The sun and moon never brake up, get tired of the other and go there seperate was.... because they are married to each other and bound to each other making it impossible for them to separate untill death.

and if some ones bond brakes there was never really a marriage to begin with. just a relationship.

Thats just my view on things....just an opinion

Sun Gemini 10th
Mercury Gemini 10th
Moon Aries 7th
Venus Taurus 8th
Mars Cancer 10th
Jupiter Aquarius 6th
AC Virgo

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and then the lord said let there be crazy people, and he saw that it was.......oh crap..........this is not good.........ummmm...cough,cough I didn't do this.. ummmm Luna whats wrong with you, why'd you make these people crazy
Luna: WHAT?!? your not going to pin this on me!
God: cough cough and then the lord dubbed the crazy people Lunatics
Luna: WHAT?!?!!!! don't name them after me!
Luna: and why are you talking about yourself in the third person
God: God can do what ever he wants to do, Muahahahahah
Luna: I hate you....sigh...I'm never going to live this down

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geminstone
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posted February 08, 2007 06:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with you Dove... the paper itself is only the contract a couple submits so that the government can keep tabs and tax them... it also serves lawyers well, I guess.

~ geminstone

**edit...oops *** I have Venus in Taurus/ 7th house.

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pidaua
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posted February 08, 2007 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darn..I forgot the rest of my aspect..

Jupiter: Scorpio, 2nd House, Trines MC and Mars - opposes Saturn in the 8th in Taurus

T-node- Pisces

Husband: Jupiter (retro) Aquarius, square Mars in Taurus, sextile Neptune in Sag

t-node: Capricorn

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Dulce Luna
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posted February 08, 2007 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know what, I liked Dove's description of marriage. F all the legalities of it, a real marraige is on a whole different level. And ishh is for life.

On the other hand I hate that because of human nature, gender-wise there is still no equality in marraige in this day and age. I'm just sick of chauvinists who expect women to be over a hot stove and bare-foot and pregnant. And then after bearing 3,4,5,and even 6 of their children, have to nerve to complain about their wife not being in tip-top shape. P%sses me off to no end.

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Dove
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posted February 08, 2007 09:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks geminstone and Dulce Luna

From what I've seen in my life most souls are not ready for the bond of marriage. They just havn't grown enough as a soul to form a true marriage bond with someone. They go into "marriage" like a 5 year old playing house would, thinking its fun at the time and when they get tired of it they quite and go home to mommys for some din din.....

I think a true test of were you are and if you should get married or not is, when you contemplate entering into a marriage bond is there a little or perhapes a big voice in the back of your mind telling you, you can escape the marriage if you want at some point.
Because if you can imagine this marriage bond as brakable, then the bond was not stong enough to be a marriage bond to begin with

but if you think of it as a permanent state of being, like being able to breath your most likly on the right track.

I also don't understand how people can through the term marriage around so lightly. Like a person who gets "married" in Vegas and then has it annulled the next day was ever really married
A one day "marriage is NOT a real marriage!

Please understand I'm not putting down people who get "married" and then divorced or those who don't get married at all, because It is very important for people to go through these relationships so they can grow as people and eventually form a true marriage bond so we can again enter into a new stage of life and spirituality.

and again this is merely my personal opinion. And I don't think because this is how want to live my life that others need to do the same as me. To be honest I don't really care that much about how other go about there lives. Unless its friends or family
But I do love sharing my thoughts and opinions hehe


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and then the lord said let there be crazy people, and he saw that it was.......oh crap..........this is not good.........ummmm...cough,cough I didn't do this.. ummmm Luna whats wrong with you, why'd you make these people crazy
Luna: WHAT?!? your not going to pin this on me!
God: cough cough and then the lord dubbed the crazy people Lunatics
Luna: WHAT?!?!!!! don't name them after me!
Luna: and why are you talking about yourself in the third person
God: God can do what ever he wants to do, Muahahahahah
Luna: I hate you....sigh...I'm never going to live this down

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GeminiLover75
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posted February 08, 2007 10:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in making a promise to someone that you will love and be faithful to them for life. But on the other hand, so many things can go wrong and to many people I think marriage feels like a pressure or a trap or something because it creates an illusion of "non-freedom" (for want of a better word). I would get married to the person I loved not only because I REALLY WANTED TO MARRY THEM, but because it would also give me added security in the relationship, that they made a promise to me and meant it enough to actually go through with the whole thing of "getting married". And the romantic aspect of it. I'm completely comfortable with the idea of being faithful to someone for life. But really, I wonder if more than the idea of ME being faithful, I'm more enamoured of the idea of my SIGNIFICANT OTHER being faithful.

Taurus sun, Scorpio moon. (surprise, surprise!)
Venus in Gemini.
Saturn in the 7th house.

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OzMeg222
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posted February 08, 2007 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I believe whole heartedly in marriage.

I just don't think I'll ever get married because I believe it in so strongly. I believe it truly should be 'til death do us part' so I'll probably never get married cos I'm too scared to be stuck with someone who turns from prince charming into a toad

All my friends have heard me say that many times so if I DO get married one day they know it'll last (or I'll smother him with a pillow) for better or worse.

Sun pisces
venus pisces
jupiter gemini
asc gemini
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Dove
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posted February 08, 2007 10:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gemini girl, I'm actually curious why you don't believe in marriage. I'm curious about every thing lol I'm a Gemini
Do you believe in some kind of committed relationship/mating for life or no?

I don't think you would be crucified for stating your opinion as long as you did it in a tactful way and didn't state your opinion as fact. as was recently demonstrated by a knowflake on this forum, about sex and there dogma.... people got pretty P.O.ed lol.....

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and then the lord said let there be crazy people, and he saw that it was.......oh crap..........this is not good.........ummmm...cough,cough I didn't do this.. ummmm Luna whats wrong with you, why'd you make these people crazy
Luna: WHAT?!? your not going to pin this on me!
God: cough cough and then the lord dubbed the crazy people Lunatics
Luna: WHAT?!?!!!! don't name them after me!
Luna: and why are you talking about yourself in the third person
God: God can do what ever he wants to do, Muahahahahah
Luna: I hate you....sigh...I'm never going to live this down

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Dove
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posted February 08, 2007 10:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
(or I'll smother him with a pillow)

lol that funny as hell

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teaologist
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posted February 08, 2007 10:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun in Taurus
Venus/Gem/11th opp Jupiter/Uranus/Sag/5th
NN in Gem/11th

I believe in strong partnerships based on friendship first. Don't care much about the papers or the church wedding though.

Also, I don't believe parents should feel obligated to stay in an unhappy, conflict-laden marriage. Separate/divorce for God's sake (ironic?).

Two of my friends who'd been dating for two yrs were recently rushed into engagement once news of their partnership had reached the girl's parents. I'm glad that they love each other, but the girl felt it was too soon. They're in their early 20s. The choice to get married should never be made by anyone other than the two involved.

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Ling
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posted February 08, 2007 11:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe in marriage cos i have so many married men pursuing me that i think it's kinda made me jaded, not to mention my parent's marriage is like a mega sad event... but i believe in love, that i can give my heart to one. I believe marriage as analogous to a desert, that comes after love's main course. After all the disputes and compromise, hard work and kids, marriage is like the reward for succeeding in trying...

Once in a blue moon, i find someone who makes me believe in marriage, but i never gotten to the point where i need to commit. I'm afraid to lose him to time. Maybe when i am 50... when i am old wrinkled and no longer attractive enough with only my mind to keep him entranced... I prefer friendship, they last longer. That's what i believe marriage to be, friendship and companionship til the end...

Aww... I'm so romantic i am embarassed.

Venus in Gemini in the 9th house, exact squared Saturn in the 12th house, exact trine aquarius moon in the 5th house

Jupiter in Virgo in the 12th house

North node in leo in the 11th house

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Leo Sun, Aquarius Moon, Libra Ascendent.

"If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers."

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Arnicka
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posted February 09, 2007 02:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
certified non-believer

Growing up never envisioned myself in that white gown [or off white, naughty girl haha]. Overall the whole thing seems like a waste of time and money [my cap moon and venus hate that]. On the other hand I strongly support marriage rights for gays, lesbians, etc ~ strongly feel its criminal for someone to be denied that right if they desire to be married. Personally, not for me - ever.

Venus Capricorn 6th:conj Moon, sq Saturn, Mars, Pluto
Jupiter Scorpio 4th:square Merc
N.Node Cancer 12th:sq Saturn, Mars

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comica23
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posted February 09, 2007 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in marriage.. ^_^ with the right person.. marriage for me is the final promise to myself and to the person I love, that we will love each other 'till the end.. I must be sure that I will always love him, and that he will always love me..
It's also important to make sure that together we can also try to work everything out, as relationships are not just an ocean of roses..

Marriage is very serious to me, and I guess that the 3 most important things to take into consideration is if you really have strong (and long lasting!!) feelings for each other, if both of you are compatible and can be together in both happy and less happy times, and if both of your lifestyles are compatible.


- Aries Sun/Venus in 8th house;
- Aqua Jupiter 6th house square Pluto/Mars (t-square);
- Capri Neptune Square Sun;
- NN in Taurus 9th house.

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BlueEyes24
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posted February 09, 2007 08:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with pidaua. I think a lot of people get married for the wrong reasons, like women marrying a man she loves but KNOWS isn't good to her, hoping that a marriage will magically change everything. I believe that a couple who love each other and are meant to be will stick together, married or not, through the hard times...but of course BOTH people have to want to.

Sun: Virgo (9th house)
Moon & Venus: Scorpio (11th house)
Mars: Cap (2nd house)
ASC: Sagittarius

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Neon Artemis
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posted February 09, 2007 02:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think marriage itself is the problem, it's how people use it and perceive it and judge it.

I've read that people confuse the symbol of marriage with having the real thing, and I believe that is true. They think by having the marriage, things will change instead of it being the other way around. Marriage is not a bandaid for lack of self-love or self-worth, you have to develop those already somewhat and not suck it out of your partner. You can't use marriage for security or base your sense of self on it.. These are why marriages fail.

I do believe you can have a good marriage, but it requires facing your own demons, something most people tend to avoid, and thinking about why you are doing the things you are doing.

I think people should delay marriage until they go through their Saturn return, or know who they are before committing to someone else. They certainly shouldn't commit for social expectations or because everyone else is doing it - only if both people are truly ready to and have put a lot of thought into it and gotten to know eachother (for more than a few months atleast! People can keep up an "Act" for longer than that.)

And if someone wants to stay single, by god stay single.

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sue g
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posted February 09, 2007 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you think about it, its quite a ridiculous institution isnt it?

How can we promise to be with one person for life?

Would you sign up a contract to stay in the same job for life, or stay in the same house...

You may want to move on .....

We grow and change and needs may become different...

We may want to have others....

So anyone who takes those marriage vows...foresaking all others etc etc etc.....does so at a time when they feel that way...

But in 20 years time or so....,

Who knows...

"marriage is a great institution, but who wants to live in an institution"

lol!

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Dove
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posted February 09, 2007 03:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sue g, its a bit unfair to say that marriage is ridiculous. If it is so ridiculous why are there so many animals that do this without a second thought. to death to we part is not just a human thing. It was never something that was just invented by humans...its not a cultural or social thing its a spirtual thing.

and the true melding of two people takes a life time. something I sincerely believe is a very important part or a souls development. It takes many life times to get to the point where you are ready to form a union like this with someone. the amount of spiritual growth you get from a bonded union is the difference between looking at the refection of the sun and acctualy looking at the sun and getting blinded.

To name marriage as ridiculous is in a way saying that those who believe in it are ridiculous


now i'm having PMS so i'm gunna eat icecream for breakfast.... a nice juicy profanity to my diet
mmmmmmmm Slow Churned, Rich and Creamy
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and then the lord said let there be crazy people, and he saw that it was.......oh crap..........this is not good.........ummmm...cough,cough I didn't do this.. ummmm Luna whats wrong with you, why'd you make these people crazy
Luna: WHAT?!? your not going to pin this on me!
God: cough cough and then the lord dubbed the crazy people Lunatics
Luna: WHAT?!?!!!! don't name them after me!
Luna: and why are you talking about yourself in the third person
God: God can do what ever he wants to do, Muahahahahah
Luna: I hate you....sigh...I'm never going to live this down

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Dulce Luna
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posted February 09, 2007 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A marriage is only a "ridiculous institution" in the wrong hands (see Brittney Spears and K-Fed). When people are ready, they're ready. If they aren't, then they aren't. Of course its not for everyone and NO ONE should jump into it when they aren't ready but I don't know why people here are quick to dismiss marriage and people who decide to practice it as archaic...that's really annoying to me.

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Lei_Kuei
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posted February 09, 2007 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol, strangely I have to agree with Sue on all of her points hehe

Its all about growing and expanding your horizons, and been tied to one person till death do you part can cripple your ability to do such things... I like long term relationships but I always leave the door open to just walk away when the relationship just runs its course when neither of us are gaining anything from staying in that relationship.... So many married couples today are together just because they don't want to upset there children or face the shame of a failed marriage in the eyes of their family/church...

This same view is right across the board with my circle of friends and I think could be the general view of alot of young people today whom have grown up watching their parents marriage completely stunt there parents growth as people and would rather die than end up in a similar situation!

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