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Topic: The Worst People have the Best Charts
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DayDreamer
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posted February 14, 2007 05:41 PM
 
I got this from an astrology book called Parkers' Astrology.... quote:
The worst people have the best chartsEvery experienced astrologer will agree! Those subjects who seem to have all the right planets in all the right signs, all the nicest, easiest, most auspicious aspects, are usually awful people! They will take advantage not only of your budding astrological experience, but of your time, energy, and if you're not very careful, your money as well! The trouble with them is that they really do seem spectacularly nice, and sometimes generous. They may even arrive with a gift to soften you up. But then, when they've won you over with all the charm in the world they ask their favours. So be on the defensive if you find a subject's chart which is brimming with trines, grand trines, sextiles and lots of lovely conjunctions between all the friendly, helpful planets. Remember, however, that the symptoms described above will apply only if there is no stabilizing tee-square or other strong indication to balance the overpositive indications. If there is, then your subject will not seek free rides or take advantage of others - the added stability in the chart will give solidarity and base to the overwhelming charm, and teh chances are that the positivity will be controlled, channelled and constructively expressed.
What do you think? When I first read this I thought eureka!!! Thats sooo true!! My best friends usually have a good deal of positive with that odd t-square. IP: Logged |
eatbooks
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posted February 14, 2007 05:48 PM
I have seen it time and again...I agree...IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
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posted February 14, 2007 06:41 PM
Well, *ahem* you can see that around here or other astro forums from time to time. Someone new comes in with their chart asking for a reading and people just gush over them because they have this Sun/moon/ASC and/or that aspect, or their chart seems balanced or "strong." And then that person just take advantage of the attention or otherwise turns out to be a wretched human being. I've fallen for that trap myself. In fact there was someone like that around here not too long ago that I regrettably helped "encourage," among other well-menaing souls here - I won't say who that was, just that the forum's a better (and more civil) place without that individual. (And please don't guess  - no need to dig up dead issues.)But to be fair, you can't let this bias you the other way and think all nice looking charts come with bad people attached. Just know, in this life, there's all sorts. You just have to be open-minded... and little wary. ALl the same, this does make me feel a little better about people who look at my Pisces moon squaring Gem Sun and Mercury and think I *must* be a horrible person. On that note - the biggest "false positive" astrologers make about aspects or placments in a chart, seeing them as beneficial rather than potentially malefic, involve Jupiter. Remember Jupiter has a dark side that can be very narcissistic, self-serving and prone to giving the native a serious god-complex. I say that over and over - and for some reason people hate hearing it. It seems people only want to believe it if comes from people like Liz greene, Bob Marks or Noel Tyl (yeah, and who doyou think I get my info from ! LOL!!). But it's true - poeple get fooled by nice-looking Jupiyer aspects/placements all the time. They see Jupiter in the 1st, or conjunct Sun, or trine Moon, and think it HAS to be a good thing. Yet *given the context* that Jupiter in the 1st can also mean someone who wants the whole world to revolve around them and won't settle for anything less, that Jupiter conjunct Sun may mean they have an exagarrated sense of entitlement that is impervious to all reality checks, and that Jupiter trine moon may indicate the individual's an ever -expanding vacuum of emotional neediness. Context is the key. IP: Logged |
InLoveWithLife
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posted February 14, 2007 07:34 PM
GN, that was very perceptive  Upto now i only used to say to myself...tht negative aspects r not necessarily negative, it depends on the person. Now i see that altho that is correct, it is incomplete. There is an inherent asymmetry in the statement above. Unless we add that positive aspects r not necessarily 'positive', it depends on the person. hmmmmm.... ILWL IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted February 14, 2007 08:08 PM
quote:
My best friends usually have a good deal of positive with that odd t-square.
Same here.....
I think the reason that people with all positive aspects can be the nasties is because without challenge there is no balance to the character. I'm pretty sure someone has already said that before but oh well.
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carlfloydfan
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posted February 14, 2007 08:12 PM
I swear I am trying to get better!Honest... (Sun Sextile Jupiter 4°38
Sun Conjunction Saturn 4°04
Sun Sextile Ascendant 6°03
Moon Trine Venus 0°44
Moon Square Mars 1°21
Moon Trine Neptune 7°37
Moon Square Ascendant 1°25
Mars Sextile Saturn 4°44
Mars Conjunction Ascendant 2°46
Saturn Sextile Ascendant 1°58
Neptune Sextile Pluto 3°02)
So I guess would I be in the group? at least I am honest.
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libraschoice7
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posted February 14, 2007 09:01 PM
Than I must be going for nun hood because I have a really rough chart(my chart would have metaphorically speaking be bruised from head to toe) lol!! Get along well with others that are very Pluto like...Mars conjunction Moon
Mars conjunction Ascendant
Pluto conjunction Sun
Moon conjunction Jupiter
Sun conjunction Mercury
Pluto square Ascendant
Mars square Sun
Mars square Pluto
Pluto square Moon
Sun square Ascendant
Sun square Moon
Venus square Neptune
Mercury square Jupiter
Sun square Jupiter
Jupiter square Pluto ------------------
Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer I "FEEL" therefor I am IP: Logged |
teaologist
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posted February 14, 2007 09:15 PM
Nice perspectives.IP: Logged |
libraschoice7
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posted February 14, 2007 09:20 PM
Wouldn't that in some way make me an opposite to Taurus as well(all that Pluto/Mars)? Funny thing is I don't attract alot of Taurus men...------------------
Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
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Gemini Nymph
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posted February 14, 2007 11:03 PM
carl - what group?
Dulce - yes, what you say is the conventional wisdom on the matter. But there's a bit more to it I think. There's still the matter of choice and free will - ultimately, we all have the freedom to choose what kind of person we are. The chart may suggest what behaviors we are inclined to do - I mean, Pisces moon squaring Gemini Mercury may incline someone to be "creative" with the truth, and I can't say I've never lied. Hell I'm good at lying, *ahem* I mean being "creative." But I choose not to use that ability for deception (although it's wonderful for writing fiction!), because it's not the kind of person I want to be. Yes, that square has presented challenges - like I've had to deal with the consequences of my past dishonesty - but I could have just as easily chosen NOT to learn and grow from those experiences.
On the other hand, someone with Jupiter trine moon could be immensely charming and therefore not have to deal with as many harsh challenges, but they too still have a choice - do I use my charm to drain people incessantly for my own needs, or do I accept that even though I can get people to do what I want, I rather respect their dignity and deal with my emotional needs in a more healthy way? There's still a choice - however, without conflict and harsh consequence, indeed, a person may be less motivated to reflect on such a choice. IP: Logged |
Jan_A
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posted February 15, 2007 04:08 AM
With 9 Squares I am certainly not among the worst people 
Pluto Square Jupiter
Uranus Square Sun
Neptune Square AC
Neptune Square Sun
Neptune Square Mercury
Moon Square Mercury
Moon Square Venus
Jupiter Square Mars
Sun Square MCIP: Logged |
Arnicka
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posted February 15, 2007 04:32 AM
dulce, quote:
I think the reason that people with all positive aspects can be the nasties is because without challenge there is no balance to the character. I'm pretty sure someone has already said that before but oh well.
I did just that very thing on here! It was a while back but a "newbie" who pretty much hasnt been back since came on here with revealing photos of herself [which all the men on here adored and praised] and a chart that caught my interest only because it was composed of a larger than life fire grand trine. and haha guess my response? pretty much what you stated above: nice chart, but wheres the growth/conflict/challenge/blah blah. I was so incredibly flamed for that!! My suggestion: if you wanna make that kinda comment on here you have to take care~ IP: Logged |
Amelia
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posted February 15, 2007 06:07 AM
I remember reading this statement (about the 'worse people having the best charts') about a month ago. and yes, it does make sense in a way...Challenging aspects "push" people; helps ensure growth (character wise) and I guess, humbles people in a way. Live and learn, I guess and with challenges in life; I guess one learns that they too are only human ("humbled" so that they don't believe they are better than everyone else). heh, GN you make me feel a bit better now that I don't have a highly aspected Jupiter, lol. As for my chart, it's I guess one can achieve balance and thus, that is what I strive for. I have, 3 singeltons (sun, moon, and mercury),
A t-square (involving, Moon, Jupiter, and Mars. Mars being at the 'apex' of the t-square)
and I believe,
3 yods... As for the squares in my chart:
Sun square Neptune
Moon square Mars
Mercury (in its' "fall"; pisces) square Uranus
Mercury square Saturn
Mars square Jupiter
Chiron square Mercury
North Node square Chiron Uranus and Saturn are both in stationary (R) motion. I have heard that being in 'stationary' motion gives it more prominence in ones' chart...
Anywho, best of luck out to all the 'squarers' out there, heh. I seem to have just about the same amount of quincunx aspects in my chart (wonder how that will work out). Anywho, life is about growth and heck personally, I like growing as an individual. "Pushing" myself to my limits and so on and so forth to ensure growth... I guess, "squarers" when push comes to pull are more adept at dealing with chaotic conditions than 'grand-triners'. I mean, not always...but, I guess generally this is the case.
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense". - Buddha IP: Logged |
NAM
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posted February 15, 2007 08:42 AM
damn, reading this is worse than reading chinese.I am so clueless  IP: Logged |
shirty
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posted February 15, 2007 08:51 AM
hm I just did a count and i have...13 squares
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7 oppositions whew. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted February 15, 2007 09:39 AM
I think that it depends on the chart itself.. ^_^;Maybe a chart that has some challenges, yet also some good aspects (like signs of courage and persistence?) that fits in that chart would be nice..
A chart with only good aspects can make a person lazy, yet a hart with too much bad aspects can be discouraging (one thing is having challenges, other is just having challenges!!).. :P In my case, I have very few hard aspects.. but the most challenging aspects in my chart would be my Scorpio Saturn/Taurus Mars/Aquarius Jupiter t-square, my Aries Sun square Capricorn Neptune, and Saturn opposing MC and Squaring Asc.. >_<; but basically I love my chart.. :P
I can say that I'm always challenging myself, yet I can be very lazy and stubborn..
Maybe my laziness has to do with my Sun conjunct that unfortunate fixed star in 2.37 degrees in Aries (don't remember the star's name..) lol.. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted February 15, 2007 12:27 PM
Arnicka: she got all huffy about that. Not even I would've taken that personally...in fact I like it that the astrologers here are honest as opposed to sugar coating EVERYTHING.GN: I agree with you on the free will part, I completely forgot about that. IP: Logged |
wilsontc
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posted February 15, 2007 01:26 PM
NAM,You said:
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reading this is worse than reading chinese.I am so clueless
If you're still here! In a chart, trine and sextile aspects are considered "easy", while squares and oppositions are considered "challenging". A person whose chart is mostly or entirely made up of "easy" aspects expects life to be "easy"...and so has difficulty adjusting to any problems that occur in life. While a person who has a lot of "challenging" aspects in their chart expects life to be "challenging" and (hopefully) works hard to overcome those life challenges. Explaining, Tim IP: Logged |
ciao
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posted February 15, 2007 01:35 PM
i have to agree withthis statement...and i think i have a nice chart too!-sun conj. venus
-sun/venus trine neptune
-sun/venus square jupiter/uranus (not sure if this is considered "nice", but i really dig uranus  )
-sun/venus sextile ascendant
-moon trine jupiter/uranus trine mars (fire grand trine)
-jupiter in the first
and among others however, i wasn't really liked when i was a child, which used to make me wonder why rarely anybody liked me when i first got into astrology. but after reading all your comments, i understand now. i also think this might be due to my scorpio asc., you know the typical scorpion look with the poker face and sort of anti-social appearance. i don't blame others for not liking me, i did look cold and somewhat nasty when i was growing up. nowadays, i guess people find me more tolerable because i try not to wear that face too much, lol. i agree with Gemini Nymph's comment on how the native can decide how to use their aspects. i admit that i now don't have a hard time getting others to do favors for me, but i grew up in a family where it only counts if you can make it with your own hands and accepting very little help. you know, i actually took this to heart and used to never accept help, which painted me in a very arrogant and larger than life light, and i actually heard people say "she thinks she's too good for us that's why..." yada yada behind my back. so yeah, this is another way in which "the worst people always have the best charts." it stung but i learned to take when necessary so as not to offend anyone and also without seeming like a user. i'm learning to balance i guess. IP: Logged |
Neferemi
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posted February 15, 2007 04:21 PM
I view a chart like a genetic trait - we are born with it, but it's up to us to use it well. Having "nice aspects" is like having a lot of money - it makes life easy, but are you gonna spend that money like a Paris Hilton or like an Oprah Winfrey?  IP: Logged |
wilsontc
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posted February 15, 2007 05:02 PM
Neferemi,The thing that people with "easy" charts often forget is...the world's energy is changing all the time. So, while a person's chart (and their personal life) is "easy", the world's energy swirls around them, sometimes in very challenging ways. So we ALL have our "ups and downs" and, if we don't prepare for the down times, even if we have an "easy" chart life can become VERY challenging VERY quickly! Knowing astrology, you can come to understand this. So, for example, when Saturn "bottoms out" in your chart (transiting (planets in the sky) Saturn touches your birth Nadir), you KNOW that this is going to be a time of restrictive inner exploration, since Saturn is the energy of duty and restriction and the nadir is our inner world. About life's challenges, Tim IP: Logged |
Stargazer
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posted February 15, 2007 05:54 PM
Neferemi  Hi! and Welcome  My Sun, Merc, and Jupiter trine my moon. I could relate to what you said about being "not for the best"... and coasting at times.. and it is how you "invest" yourself that matters
I too have a T-square, some kind of boomerang and my venus and Saturn are Quincunx, in their fall and retrograde...
So i guess with every chart i've looked at i've have had my fair share of "that's awesome" to OH MY! ~up to and including my own. IP: Logged |
sd09
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posted February 15, 2007 06:00 PM
espiaacially this person worst and got best chart http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=5skfileoIk2ph-u1170209462 IP: Logged |
seveneieghtorange
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posted February 15, 2007 10:51 PM
...Wow I never noticed this but you guys are right! This person I know is a manipulator, lying, decieving piece of scum. And look at his aspects!!
Sun Conjunction Moon 7.54 160
Sun Trine Uranus 2.50 84
Sun Square Neptune 4.06 -38
Sun Trine Ascendant 5.08 36
Moon Trine Uranus 5.04 44
Mercury Conjunction Venus 4.29 331
Mercury Trine Mars 6.24 28
Mercury Sextile Neptune 2.23 81
Mercury Trine Pluto 5.07 32
Mercury Square Ascendant 1.20 -62
Mercury Opposition Midheaven 4.58 -72
Venus Square Uranus 4.49 -20
Venus Sextile Neptune 2.07 85
Venus Trine Pluto 0.38 74
Venus Square Ascendant 3.09 -33
Mars Sextile Jupiter 1.36 132
Mars Opposition Neptune 8.47 -4
Mars Sextile Midheaven 1.26 77
Jupiter Square Saturn 2.25 -38
Jupiter Trine Midheaven 3.02 31
Uranus Conjunction Ascendant 7.58 24
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2.45 19
Neptune Trine Midheaven 7.21 2
1240 -267 973
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sd09
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posted February 15, 2007 11:02 PM
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