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NAM unregistered	posted February 16, 2007 10:41 PM To the ones that beleive in destiny. What is your take on destiny/astrology combination. Like, what if my baby is due to be born at a certain time according to destiny, but the doctor decides to do induce birth because of health reasons? I know what you are going to say, that this was the destiny right? but I often feel that it was wrong from my doctor to induce my second one thinking that he was too big for me already, and my second one has a big heart but no common sense at all... I think I did something wrong by messing with his stars and he is lacking something LOL IP: Logged
neptune5 unregistered	posted February 16, 2007 11:03 PM quote: To the ones that beleive in destiny. What is your take on destiny/astrology combination. Like, what if my baby is due to be born at a certain time according to destiny, but the doctor decides to do induce birth because of health reasons? I know what you are going to say, that this was the destiny right? but I often feel that it was wrong from my doctor to induce my second one thinking that he was too big for me already, and my second one has a big heart but no common sense at all... I think I did something wrong by messing with his stars and he is lacking something LOL very good question. let me see if i can answer it. To the example you give with your baby, like you stated, according to circumstance it was destiny, but at the same time (this is my take on it) people who have control over any given situation could be in control of its destiny, but not of the exact consequences and exact results of the choice that was made, could be simple, could be complex, depending on what decision is made. quote: I think I did something wrong by messing with his stars and he is lacking something LOL i always thought that fate/destiny was a combination of peoples choices, circumstances surrounding those choices, and going with the flow, i would i guess. i hope that bit helps. ------------------ Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 16, 2007 11:30 PM quote: Neptune5 people who have control over any given situation could be in control of its destiny, but not of the exact consequences and exact results of the choice that was made, could be simple, could be complex, depending on what decision is made. So are you saying here that (in general) even if I have control of my destiny if the consequences are suppose to be a way (written with destiny) it doesn't much matter what i do with my controlling of destiny because what is due to happen will happen anyway.Give or take on timing maybe??? Do you believe in people that can read tarot or coffee? I had a reading not long ago and something was suppose to happen to me around this time but i am changing that destiny by avoiding the people that were involved in this reading because I didn't like what i heard, are you saying that what it was suppose to happen will happen regardless of me changing a piece of the destiny? now or later? of course i don't belive a hundred percent on this but I rather be safe than sorry LOL Interesting topic isn't it? ...well, I guess it would be if you believe that there is more out there than what we know... IP: Logged
neptune5 unregistered	posted February 17, 2007 03:30 PM quote: So are you saying here that (in general) even if I have control of my destiny if the consequences are suppose to be a way (written with destiny) it doesn't much matter what i do with my controlling of destiny because what is due to happen will happen anyway.Give or take on timing maybe??? Yes, i am saying that. But you must keep in mind that the choice you make, plus the circumstances surrouding that choice, and your intention creates the overall destiny. quote: Do you believe in people that can read tarot or coffee? I had a reading not long ago and something was suppose to happen to me around this time but i am changing that destiny by avoiding the people that were involved in this reading because I didn't like what i heard, are you saying that what it was suppose to happen will happen regardless of me changing a piece of the destiny? now or later? of course i don't belive a hundred percent on this but I rather be safe than sorry LOL Interesting topic isn't it? ...well, I guess it would be if you believe that there is more out there than what we know... Yes, lovely topic. even though i'm christian (catholic) i do believe very much that theres more out there. And yes I do believe that there is truth to a little bit of everything. No human being, person, is going to believe every detail of what someone (say the church the papacy) forces or wants them to believe, if they do or want to, their not being true to themselves, lying to themselves almost. I'm extremely openminded and different and I refuse to be brainwashed by religious traditions that keep people ignorant to alternatives. ------------------ Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged
Jan_A unregistered	posted February 17, 2007 04:07 PM NAM, I think you shouldn't look back so much. It blocks you. Try to do the best from what you have! IP: Logged
astrobee unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 05:51 PM An extremely interesting topic for me. Thanks for starting this discussion. So many stuff that I would like to point... I think that everything that happened, just had to happen and there are not questions like, what will be if... or similar. The universe can bring us such tasks that we even can not imagine. And it seems it just brings what we need to learn, or what we should to learn. I am interesting in I Ching more then 20 years, maybe 25... I work with that book... There is an amazing tie between modern physics and ancient philosophies and religions. I suggest to read about synchronicity and K.G. Jung's work on that field. Also, read about String theory in modern physics: "Energy goes in that way where our thoughts go. Even it seems it comes from where we think it comes." I am not sure whether my interpretation is good, but I will be really glad if you check it, because I read about it from a secondary source... As I recently understood, causality is lower principle in the Universe and higher principle is principle of the meaning.. Chinese were always more interesting in that higher principle. I understand that Astrology is also about that. So, I think that during our life we can influence our destiny by our efforts and energy, but the universe gives final answer. In fact, it seems to me, we have an active relation with the universe. Synchronicity, as I understood can even help to make evolution to be faster. Regarding sineastry and astrology, I think I can help people in analyzing mutual aspects, even a litle, but I often meet a case: two person that have nice mutual aspects but her destinies are not to be together, maybe even not to be in any relationship. Or timing frame in relationships... It is always very interesting for me when I find that for example the ruler of his Ascendant is in conjunction of the ruler of her Descendant (or Ascendant) and similar. Are these relationship destined? These are only my tips... I am sorry for my bad English, the topic is difficult to talk about and when I have my language problems... Predrag IP: Logged
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1120 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009	posted February 20, 2007 06:55 PM quote: Like, what if my baby is due to be born at a certain time according to destiny, but the doctor decides to do induce birth because of health reasons? Because it is HIS destiny to be born at a different time other than that due date. Thats why it's destiny darlin. I should have been a really strong Pisces (march 12) but I waited an extra month to be an Aries (april 9). For some reason I was not meant to be a Pisces, go figure. IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 07:16 PM quote: Astrobee I am sorry for my bad English, the topic is difficult to talk about and when I have my language problems... I understood very well, I speak spanish as my first language, english is my second. I also appreciate all of you guys helping me find some answers and giving me advice on books to buy to learn some more, it just seems since I turned 30 I have been unconsciously wanting some answers as what we are about , who we are, our destiny, meaning of life,etc. It didn't happen over night , in fact i didn't know it was happening my life was truely a quiet good life, husband, kids , nice house, good work... and then all of the sudden everything changed and I just don't understand why... well, I changed too.These obviously led to bigger questions; now I am here ok, I'll stop the blah, blah blah... I just want to thank you guys again,for talking to me I'll check out those books for sure too! IP: Logged
InLoveWithLife unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 07:28 PM NAM, when did everything suddenly change?? was it by any chance when u turned 29?? i am thinking of saturn return IP: Logged
InLoveWithLife unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 07:37 PM NAM, whatever happens, happens for a reason. we can't mess up with destiny, because it is destiny !!! think about it, how wud u define destiny? something tht's meant to be, right? so in fact wht happened with your kid, was meant to be! destiny can change, but as long as we do the best with the choices/resources available to us, we need not be worried about 'messing' things up. i have certain theories as far as these things go...esp things tht r out of our control. i feel tht they r really god's way of ensuring that we move along in the right direction. if things get out of hand, he gives a gentle shove (seen as circumstances spiralling out of control), and in the end all is right i have felt this with many events in my life...esp those which seemed to hit me really hard at the time....and no logic cud explain why things suddenly took a turn for the 'worse'. years later, i'd realize how crucial it was that those events should have happened. try looking back at some of the significant events in your life, and see if u can catch yourself saying 'oh my god! now i see it !' edit how old is your kid anyway?? u cant say how he'll turn out by how he seems now, trust me. all my relatives used to think tht i was mentally retarded when i was a kid, lol. (and i'm anything BUT that ) IP: Logged
nattie33 unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 09:21 PM I thought about this also. My daughter was supposed to be born on november 6 1999. She was 2 days late. i had a scheduled c-section anyway for november 8 My contractions were 2 minutes apart that morning. november 6 was my fathers birthday. I really don't know what to make of it. IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 10:44 PM quote: Inlovewithlife NAM, when did everything suddenly change?? was it by any chance when u turned 29?? i am thinking of saturn return Let's see, I was born in 71... about the year 2000 is when things got out of wack for me, so, yeap around 29.I had a very demanding job and decided to take another very demanding job ( i thought i was super woman LOL) and was doing both, my ex-husband decided to work less everytime and drink more.This is when everything went to hell.By 2005 I was filing for divorce. I just don't know when I fell out of love totally, if it was around 29 when i decided to have more responsability and it was a way to stay away from the house, or was it after he became this lazy person I didn't know anymore and I lost total respect for him.It is hard to say. I am not crying over spilled milk , I did that long time ago and got over my faith but sometimes one must wonder why love works this way and why destiny puts us in this situations, from the perfect loving couple to chaos.It would have been a lot easier if this God (some people talk about) would have kept us together, and caring for each other, easier on the kids specially. I am happy with who I am , i do very well on my own, but one has to wonder why... IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 10:46 PM quote: NAM, I think you shouldn't look back so much. It blocks you. Try to do the best from what you have! These are good wise words, and I do this, I just wonder sometimes, that's all. IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 10:54 PM quote: edit how old is your kid anyway?? u cant say how he'll turn out by how he seems now, trust me. all my relatives used to think tht i was mentally retarded when i was a kid, lol. (and i'm anything BUT that ) Awwwww. LOL Well, he is 9 right now, and has a great big heart but no common sense. LOL he has been hurt a lot by the divorce too, the bigest part of the problem. But as far as his personality ...wow, sometimes I just wonder how he thinks and why doesn't he think other times. he was born September 25th 1997 ,at 2:34 pm... I should look at his chart and my other one's chart too, now that I finally found their times of birth yay! I just haven't done it yet because I am still trying to asimilate knowledge LOL IP: Logged
InLoveWithLife unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 11:18 PM ((((NAM)))) dont worry dear, the kids will turn out right. trust me. yeah sometimes it does look tht way, doesn't it? i cant say why what happened, happened. but i think you will get all your answers one day, from that same being people talk about, lol, God. people talk about a lot of things....karma, etc. sometimes it helps to make sense out of this chaos called life. may be we humans have a very deep seated need to understand everything. but i'd like to believe that whatever we go through life, we ourselves have chosen before being born. its like we made a pact to do a certain number of things, learn certain lessons, balance karma with certain people. it helps me to feel more accepting of whatever has happened into my life till now, and whatever will happen. yes my faith kinda almost died when some really 'bad' things happened to me. little did i know it wud be rekindled, and burn much more brightly than it ever did. it was after this, tht i began to really find my answers. keep questioning. one day you will find yours. ILWL IP: Logged
InLoveWithLife unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 11:21 PM sometimes the easiest way out is not the best way out. we as humans prefer the easier way of course. the shortest path to get from point A to point B. but life takes us through a lot of ups and downs, highways and byways. i am reminded of a certain something i have now. lemme quickly go over to FFA and post it! hope u'd like it IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 20, 2007 11:46 PM That was very pretty, thank you.And for the most part I do have faith that things always happen for a reason and as long as we are good people then we'll be ok. So, you don't think we can bend our destiny either? I kind of see life as a house, full of doors; we have many choices , we can open a door and see what is behind it, if we step in then we get that faith, inside that room we have more doors, depending on which one we open and take we have other results. Moving from one to one by intuition, wisdom etc we make those choices ourselves, destiny falls into place according to the choices we make. In fact, one of the dreams I used to have a lot when i was younger was a house I never been to but knew well, it was so real I feel as if one day I am actually going to find this house and recognize it. This house had many doors and i would open them and see different stages of my life, the one door I would open always at the end was the one that I would find a dead woman in a coffin and even know she was not my mother , it was suppose to be; From that room I would walk to the window that was wide open and I can see the curtains flowing from the wind to the outside and jump out of the house to a park. Sometimes this house would have more doors than usual, sometimes the dream would be longer sometimes shorter, but it was always the same house , same doors, same park and almost everytime the same woman. it has been a long time since I have had this dream, in fact I can't belive I just remember it... I guess my analogy of destiny brought back memories. IP: Logged
InLoveWithLife unregistered	posted February 21, 2007 12:01 AM NAM, i did a lot of 'research' on this once. Mostly i wanted 'first hand' evidence of the way things work here. of whether destiny can be changed. i read up a lot on a phenomenon called near death experience. the conclusion i reached was tht destiny can be changed. but we wud never realize it i guess. its like in India what they say about palmistry- the left hand represents the 'destiny' or what was the original intended plan. whereas the right hand is what u make out of your life. if one believes in palmistry, my left hand is vastly different from my right. specifically whn i look at the lines or marriage (lol, tht's all i remember now of palmistry anyways) i see about 5 lines, out of which three stoop and branch (representing breakups). on my right there are only 3. and they arent tht bad except the first. i'd like to believe tht there is some flexibility allowed to us. some leeway for growth and learning and free will. i am very intrigued with your dream. are you sure it represents something u'd see in the future?? since u said that its very vivid, it cud also be a past life memory. do u see scenes from this life in the dream? i think it has some meaning....try posting about it on Astral Realms. I used to have a recurring dream. quite mundane actually. in it, i'd be trying to run away from a beast...either a lion or a dinosaur...lol. but it haunted me. and finally i cracked it. it represented a fear tht i was not ready to face. my inner demons tht i kept running away from. the fear was the fear of being alone. ever since i have overcome this phobia, tht dream hasnt recurred. may be your dream represents some new opportunity u shud embrace? a change? something u need to leave behind (u see the dead woman and choose to look out of the windows, then jump outside into a park'). freedom from some old way of living/beliefs tht are not best for the 'new' and stronger you? ILWL edit i noticed tht u said tht it has been a long time since u saw this dream. may be u have already embraced whtever this dream was pointing u towards IP: Logged
MysticMelody Moderator Posts: 1066 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted February 21, 2007 02:34 AM Many people believe in many different realities existing at once. Your "door" analogy is actually apt at illustrating this idea because what lies beyond each door still exists, even if you choose another combination of doors. If you could step back in time (or what we see as "time") then you could explore the other doors. Reminds me of The Butterfly Effect movie... I think alignment with our "Higher" Selves brings about the greatest good in door choices and then brings about the greatest good with the choices we have made even if we weren't working with our Higher Selves at all times when making all choices (which is to be expected) so events which may seem to be out of your control and "wrong" might just be the Universe righting something that was a little off because of a past wrong turn. Well, it's late, but there's a few thoughts to chew on (for both of us). IP: Logged
Iqhunk unregistered	posted February 21, 2007 03:18 AM Babies choose their destiny in their Higher Soul form and decide when to be born, where to be born, how and to whom. This way they can complete their lessons in the fastest way and evolve their Higher State even further. Life on earth is hardly 70-80 years but we have been living as Higher Souls for billions and billions of years. IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 22, 2007 12:30 AM quote: the conclusion i reached was tht destiny can be changed. but we wud never realize it i guess. its like in India what they say about palmistry- the left hand represents the 'destiny' or what was the original intended plan. whereas the right hand is what u make out of your life. if one believes in palmistry, my left hand is vastly different from my right. specifically whn i look at the lines or marriage (lol, tht's all i remember now of palmistry anyways) i see about 5 lines, out of which three stoop and branch (representing breakups). on my right there are only 3. and they arent tht bad except the first. i'd like to believe tht there is some flexibility allowed to us. some leeway for growth and learning and free will. Which one is the marriage line? maybe I should take a pic of my palms and put them in here LOL I was looking at mine and I never noticed how many break ups I have on my right lines LOL IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 22, 2007 12:47 AM quote: i am very intrigued with your dream. are you sure it represents something u'd see in the future?? since u said that its very vivid, it cud also be a past life memory. do u see scenes from this life in the dream? i think it has some meaning....try posting about it on Astral Realms. Well I'll go ahead and finish with this one in here and I'll start posting over there about dreams, in fact, I love this topic, I used to manipulate my dreams to be able to fly etc.. knowing I was dreaming. But this particular dream was and old one that I haven't had in years and I remember seing on some of those doors a pool, calm crystal blue water, and usually when I dream about water like that is because things are going well in my life. Other times I would see amusement parks. I kind of feel it represents past present and future; maybe I'll have the dream again and see new things just because my unconsious mind is seeing things the conciuos is not. It was a cool house though Most of my dreams are also very vivid, usually with music in the background too I love this topic! IP: Logged
NAM unregistered	posted February 22, 2007 12:51 AM quote: Many people believe in many different realities existing at once. Your "door" analogy is actually apt at illustrating this idea because what lies beyond each door still exists, even if you choose another combination of doors. If you could step back in time (or what we see as "time") then you could explore the other doors. Reminds me of The Butterfly Effect movie... I think alignment with our "Higher" Selves brings about the greatest good in door choices and then brings about the greatest good with the choices we have made even if we weren't working with our Higher Selves at all times when making all choices (which is to be expected) so events which may seem to be out of your control and "wrong" might just be the Universe righting something that was a little off because of a past wrong turn. Well, it's late, but there's a few thoughts to chew on (for both of us). I am going to have to rent that movie. Thank you! I have something to watch tomorrow Thanks for your comments to all, I am liking this place, i guess i am not the only weird one out there LOL I meant that with a lot of love! IP: Logged

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