posted March 18, 2007 03:01 PM            

Here's a bit from Erin Sullivan's Saturn book on ages 29-36:
http://www.geocities.com/azalaksh/astro/Saturn.Sullivan-02.Natural.Cycles.29.to.36.pdf

I'm not a transits expert, but I'll take a look at your chart in a little while -- is it 12:58am or pm?? Since you're writing from the UK, I'm guessing noon but I wanted to be sure.....

posted March 19, 2007 08:08 AM              

Thank you. Yes your right I was born I was born a couple of mins before oneoclock in the afternoon.

posted March 20, 2007 10:14 PM            

Your Saturn Return has indeed happened -- your nSaturn is at 10 degrees Leo and tSaturn is at 18 Leo and won't go backwards very much more towards your natal.

Here's some good info in these threads about Saturn Returns and what they produce and feel like:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010828.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012575.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006860.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010493.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005786.html

tNeptune trining nMoon could be making you more sensitive, or contributing to making you feel lost and confused, and tPluto's coming up on a square with your nMercury and a trine with your nChiron and will be in that neighborhood for a loooong time.....
These are all transits you can read up on in the "Forecast" section if you have your chart set up at www.astro.com .

Zala

posted March 21, 2007 09:38 AM              

I met my friend while he was I'm assuming going through his return. (age 28-30) It was a very stressful and hard time for him.

Well, to be honest it became stressful and hard for "both" of us. I'm somewhat of an emotional sponge, so I was picking up on and actually feeling all of these chaotic and/or dark feelings.

I do believe that we meet others for a reason... at the time my friend felt alone... I had just met him and stuck by him through what he considers his darkest time. I would have to agree... I was introduced to feelings and emotions in myself that I had never (and to be honest, wouldn't mind if I never again) felt before.

I feel like I have emotionally and mentally grown years from this experience.

On a happy note I can say that he is now 31 and has taken off on a completely different direction in his life.

The things, people, and beliefs that he was holding onto before, seem to have lost their luster for him. Which is a great thing, as they were doing him more harm than good.

I just had my 28th B-Day in October, so my saturn return is coming up.

I guess my question is... if having experienced this through someone else (which in turn caused me to question my own morals, thoughts, beliefs, etc. and change accordingly) does it mean that I get somewhat of a "double" saturn return??

If anyone can shed some light, I'd appreciate it.

Edit: I do question some things about astrology. However, there are things that have proven that it exists to me. I guess I'm the type of person that has to see it or experience myself for me to believe or understand.
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Scorpio sun, venus, mars, mercury, and uranus
Libra moon, pluto, and asc.

posted March 21, 2007 02:41 PM            

imho, just one word -- Yes.

I feel that we DO go thru our friends' and loved ones' transits with them -- especially the Outers, the more hugely-life-rearranging ones. Yeah, we'll feel their Venus too probably but it's short and not so rending and intrusive into our happy little ruts and comfy little habits.

I feel ya on the emotional/psychic sponge thang, with my Pisces Moon But with your Libra Moon you'll probably have some success with practicing detachment in the future (and it *does* get easier with practice). You can be sympathetic, without getting unintentionally sucked into the next (and most dangerous to watery types) dimension of sympathy: Empathy. There are some instances where having a good cry with a friend can be productive, but in my experience, most of the time THEY need us to be connected but not to the point of being ravaged by their woes ourselves -- they need us to be strong for them.

posted March 22, 2007 02:08 PM            

I found an article I was looking for, written by someone who's facing their 2nd Saturn Return.....

posted March 22, 2007 02:14 PM              

your free of the t.Saturn to natal Saturn conjunction ( saturn return )
that occured .. june 2006 .. .. it has since passed ..

suggestion .. do some transit charts for the following dates ..

Lillith on 29th july 2006 ..
'conjoined' your MC on that date
then conjoined natal venus merc and mars ..

transiting Pluto .. november 13th 2004 ..
at 'square' to your MC ..
then squared your natal venus .. for most of 2005 ..
it's currently only 3 deg. prior to squaring your merc/mars placement ..
so is well within 'orb' of those two ..

now do a transit chart at astro.com .. for today ..
compare the 'today' chart with the others ...
*** note the run of transits youv'e had ***
particularly from Lillith and Pluto ..

posted March 27, 2007 10:23 AM              

I agree with you regarding empathy. I sometimes (not always, but enough to watch out for) have to pay attention to how far I allow my emotions to get involved.

I guess some people and/or issues pull me easier than others.

I seem to meet people who almost demand this kind of emotion from me. "Just" sympathy is almost never enough. They feel like I could care less unless I'm emotionally in the throws with them.

It can become confusing in knowing who is being the selfish one.

posted March 27, 2007 11:07 AM            

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Emotional maturity is marked by the completion of its first revolution at age 27. By then, we have recorded every emotional experience available to us. Its second journey through the horoscope (from 27.3 - 54.6 years old) is the phase of adult life, when new emotional and personal attachments are formed. Life force is directed and creative. Giving birth literally, or to the creative self, initiates us into the adult cycle when the feeling life of child and adult co-exist. The child is internalised and the tentative mothering of the self commences. Remembering and reliving our earlier emotional experiences in an adult context begins. A greater choice about our emotional responses and an ability to differentiate our feelings from those of others is part of this maturation.

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