posted March 19, 2007 06:00 AM              

A while back I bought the basic Magi software and the synastry interpretation as well. I thought the Magi society could be onto something as all my past relationships seemed to fit their Chiron (or lack thereof) centric philosophy.

Recently I met someone who I have a HEARTBREAK clash with. ie. His Saturn is contra-parallel my Chiron which is meant to be one of THE worst clashes ever....bound to end in heartbreak they say.

I know a lot of you may be confused by the contra-parallel thing but anyone who had Saturn square/opposite or even quincunx another person's Chiron would be considered as having a HEARTBREAK clash.

So, my question is.....Can anyone CONFIRM for me that this is a heap of crap? Based on real live astrological data please!

Apparently the heartbreak clash attracts us strongly at first but then somewhere down the track (Mia and Woody had one ((as well as other Saturn clashes)) but it didn't break them until 10 or so years later)it GETS us!

The same rule applies when we are having a transit from Saturn to our Chiron or vice versa....which I am also going through (and it won't end until Feb.2009). You can possibly understand why I feel a little bit DOOMED at the moment. (Paul McCartney was going thru the same kind of transit when he met that young blonde).

I mean as much as I want to believe, it just feels a little bit ridiculous, not to mention ridiculously CRUEL when I am 37 years old and really LOOKING for a partner and suddenly I'm hit with this 21 month horror transit!!!

BUT regardless of my tendency to 'poor me' at the moment, I really DO want to know the truth.....

posted March 19, 2007 08:11 AM              

Do you think you need to balance Magi astrology with traditional astrology? And if so, would that include going as far to brush off a heartbreak transit/clash duo with someone?

Thanks for any suggestions. I'd be interested to know how far you've gone with the study of Magi - what softare you've bought and how you've found it in general!

Zephyr

posted March 19, 2007 10:59 AM            

But the most important is follow your heart, only it can tell if the relationships you have are meant to last or not. ^_^

posted March 19, 2007 03:06 PM              

Yeh, You're right Comica, I do have a badly aspected Saturn/Chiron to guys around my age and older (which is my preference). Seems I'm gonna have to take the risk or develop a taste for younger men

I hadn't heard/read about Sandra Bullock but that's interesting DulceLuna....where did you read that? Haven't seen it mentioned on Magi website which alerts me to the fact (which I was wondering about) that they may choose their examples a little TOO selectively!!! (Would they be that EVIL? Is it just about making money? Sometimes I wonder! ((Cynical Capricorn sun coming thru).

Though Magi is interesting it does seem a little oversimplified doesn't it? (and yes, definitely too black and white). It seems to me that traditional synastry is more complex as there's more factors to deal with. Perhaps I've been too lazy not wanting to deal with Vertexs/MCs/Vesta/Ceres/progressed planets etc etc. Maybe it's all a sign that I need to dust my lazy ass and go deeper into the rabbit hole!

posted March 19, 2007 03:30 PM              

MA is not oversimplified. It's actually pretty complex and based on statistics-led research. What gives people that idea is the fact that, based on their research (which is apparently done with state-of-the-art, sophisticated systems) they make certain blanket pronouncements. Like I wrote in another post somewhere, if you want to find out what MA techniques apply to you, then do some research. Go into astrodienst, input the birthdata for all the people you know, and also the data for some of the celebrities they use on their site, and then correlate the synastry between those charts according to MA principles. I have found that almost 80% of MA assertions about Chiron, Venus, Juno and Saturn are on the dot. But they also say on their site that
1) they believe in free will,
2) that every rule is at times weighted 70/30 (that is, the rules might not apply 30 percent of the time depending on free will)
and also that (and this applies to you, specifically)
3) in any transit, progression, synastry or natal chart, the rule of enhancement domination applies.

what that means is that any clash aspect (like the Chiron-Saturn aspects you talked about) can be and is usually ultimately subdued by any really strong positive (enhancement) aspects.

so, if you have any strong and close enhancement aspects between you two, or in your transit right now, I'd concentrate on those.

posted March 19, 2007 09:10 PM            

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I hadn't heard/read about Sandra Bullock but that's interesting DulceLuna....where did you read that? Haven't seen it mentioned on Magi website which alerts me to the fact (which I was wondering about) that they may choose their examples a little TOO selectively!!! (Would they be that EVIL? Is it just about making money? Sometimes I wonder! ((Cynical Capricorn sun coming thru).

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Two summers back I remember reading about there being a heartbreak clash around that time (saturn at the end of cancer and chiron at the end of cappy). During that July, she married Jesse James and I kept thinking like an impressionable one, "Omg, they're doomed!" . And it looks like I was wrong because apparently, they're more in love than ever. (Anyone have both of their birthdates? I want to see their synastry out of curiousity).

Its seems to me that they are pretty selective and its also curious to me that when I was looking at an archive on their site....on one date, they were tooting Jen and Brad's synastry and marriage chart. But after they divorced....they had only bad things to say????

There is probably some truth to the saturn-chiron opposition but I don't think its really as bad as they make it out to be. As a matter of fact, they seem to put a fatalistic spin on EVERY negative aspect in synastry. It sounds almost alot like propoganda in a way..LOL. *shrugs*

posted March 19, 2007 09:23 PM              

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So, I'd really love to hear your opinions regarding and experiences with Magi society philosophy.
shite or not shite.

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I'd say - shite

posted March 19, 2007 09:25 PM            

CHIRON TRINE YOUR JUNO
Linkage: ROM/R= +190. SEX/R= +300. CMPT/R= +155. LIFETIME PARTNERSHIP LINKAGE. ULTIMATE LONG-TERM SEXUAL LINKAGE. CHIRON LINKAGE. Normally, a linkage formed with Juno results in a Juno Linkage and creates attraction based on some kind of dream that is just an illusion about your relationship and each other. In other words, a Juno Linkage casts a Juno Spell over you. Fortunately, sooner or later during good transits, the Juno Spell can be broken and you wake up from the spell; when you do, the attraction you felt fizzles out and you want out of the relationship.

But this linkage is not that way.

This is not a Juno Linkage but this is a Chiron Linkage because Chiron overpowers Juno's bewitching power. Like most Juno Linkages, this Chiron Linkage does create sexual attraction and need, but unlike Juno Linkages, the attraction and need last a lifetime. You will feel like you are under a Juno Spell but it is different because this linkage comes with romantic attraction that also lasts a lifetime. For both these reasons, this is the one of the most powerful linkages at creating lifelong relationships.

Like Juno Linkages, this linkage also fosters mutual dreams and mutual illusions - but in this case, they just about never die, and therefore help the two of you to stay together even in the worst of times.

If the two of you also have other Chiron Linkages, and you are both each other's type, or not too far from it, then you could fall in love and the chances are very high you will have a very long-term relationship.

Even if you are not each other's type, the romantic and sexual attraction and the dreams and illusions this linkage produces can help the two of you to overlook problems as well as each other's shortcomings, and therefore you may still end up in love. However, this is just one single Chiron Linkage and it is not all the two of you need and unless you also have a Romantic Super Linkage or great Grand Trines, your relationship will be just about always a challenge - because relationships founded on Juno are always a challenge.

I find Magi a little too Black Or White -- too many absolutes -- for me. But I take it with a grain of salt, and add it to my understanding of the aspect anyway. Also, I would not want to have a longterm relationship without a "Saturn Clash" -- I believe Saturn adds stability and longevity (of course it depends on the planet Saturn is aspecting).....

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posted March 20, 2007 09:19 AM              

I wrote this HUGE reply and then managed to DELETE it.....so tragic! But I'll endeavour to write it again in the next day or so (must get to sleep now).